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[Iakus]

I personally feel no empathy at all because I know  this game could have been much greater but was held back by some luddites who refuse to let go of their 10 year old pieces of garbage. 

 

Then you should be blaming Bioware for thinking they could have it all and still be old-gen capable, rather than calling fellow DA players names.

 

They were, after all, TOLD they could play it on their systems. Are they luddites for believing Bioware's claims?

 

Arrogance and ignorance wrapped up in one neat package. How very efficient of you.

Another one who somehow missed that it was EA's decision on what platforms to release the game on.

Liked for the Londo reference.

[Morroian]

I personally feel no empathy at all because I know  this game could have been much greater but was held back by some luddites who refuse to let go of their 10 year old pieces of garbage. 

 

Er that was a decision made by EA, nothing to do with any protests by those who hadn't upgraded. In fact I dare say a large number of last gen owners probably would have understood such a decision.

 

 

It's comments like these that make me stop sympathising with previous gen and slowly start to laugh at them. I'm actually being serious.

 

Try reading what he was responding to. 

[Dio Demon]

Try reading what he was responding to. 

 

I ignore idiots who talk out of their ass

 

Also his use of the word luddite annoyed me. So I did the simple thing. Forgot his existence.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Then you should be blaming Bioware for thinking they could have it all and still be old-gen capable, rather than calling fellow DA players names.

 

They were, after all, TOLD they could play it on their systems. Are they luddites for believing Bioware's claims?

BioWare's claims were true.  They could play the game on their old consoles.

 

As soon as that was no longer true of BioWare's products, BioWare stopped selling those products to them.

[Sylvius the Mad]

How exactly did you miss the part where EA sold DAI on those old systems?

How is that relevant?  The game BioWare sold for those systems works on those systems.

 

The products they're selling now don't work on those systems, so they're not for sale on those systems.

 

How is this hard?

[Eelectrica]

How is that relevant?  The game BioWare sold for those systems works on those systems.

 

The products they're selling now don't work on those systems, so they're not for sale on those systems.

 

How is this hard?

So provide an upgrade path. Don't screw paying customers over. Not all customers would use it, but at least the option could be there.

Don't tell me it can't be done because its been done before:

http://www.battlefie...box-one-upgrade

http://www.battlefie...ation-4-upgrade

 

Even Activision had an upgrade path for a limited time with Destiny. At least customers could make informed decisions.

 

One thing they could do once all the DLC has been released and they're finished working on it for good is do an Origins style Ultimate edition which includes everything and give those guys a trade in discount.

 

That is all. And yeah if the the final DLC was made as a playstation exclusive for example, no I wouldn't be impressed and playing the base game and two more DLC's wouldn't be acceptable.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Don't screw paying customers over.

They didn't. Paying customers got the things they bought.

[Eelectrica]

They didn't. Paying customers got the things they bought.

Not good enough. Buying a product means buying support for the lifetime of that product. If that support can't be offered then a means to upgrade should be in place.

[Gold Dragon]

DLCs are seperate products that only need the base game to run.

 

Abox 360 & PS3 were promised ONE(1) product.  No mention of DLC.

 

So therefore, XBox 360 and Playstation 3 users DID, in fact, get what they paid for.  One(1) License to play Dragon Age: Inquisition. Unless, of course, said user bought more than one copy.....

[Eelectrica]

DLCs are seperate products that only need the base game to run.

 

Abox 360 & PS3 were promised ONE(1) product.  No mention of DLC.

 

So therefore, XBox 360 and Playstation 3 users DID, in fact, get what they paid for.  One(1) License to play Dragon Age: Inquisition. Unless, of course, said user bought more than one copy.....

 

As a PC gamer, I would not accept an announcement that future DLC/updates were only restricted to X-box one and PS4 customers.

My reaction would be exactly the same as those on PS3 and XB360.

So no. Take your anti-consumer corporate BS elsewhere.

[Dio Demon]

Not good enough. Buying a product means buying support for the lifetime of that product. If that support can't be offered then a means to upgrade should be in place.

 

No it doesn't. Only products that explicitly state lifetime warranty are like that. Did BioWare ever create an agreement where you would receive a lifetime warranty, X-amount of DLC, X-amount of patches?

 

But you're going to call me corporate and I'm going to laugh. 

 

But I'm willing to compromise, if you managed to successfully sue EA for this I will make a public acknowledgement that you were right.

[Eelectrica]

 

No it doesn't. Only products that explicitly state lifetime warranty are like that. Did BioWare ever create an agreement where you would receive a lifetime warranty, X-amount of DLC, X-amount of patches?

 

But you're going to call me corporate and I'm going to laugh. 

 

But I'm willing to compromise, if you managed to successfully sue EA for this I will make a public acknowledgement that you were right.

 

Not my fight, and I don't wish it to be my fight down the track either.

[Geth Supremacy]

Arrogance and ignorance wrapped up in one neat package. How very efficient of you.

Another one who somehow missed that it was EA's decision on what platforms to release the game on.

 

I think a lot of these people are just trolling on a subject that is sensitive for many and looking to get some entertainment.  He very well may be genuinely that stupid, but idk....I'm just thinking looking to get a rise out of someone.

 

Either way I just look at it as a sign that you don't ever care to see or know anything they ever have to say again and let your ignore list grow.  I'm over all of it tbh.  Moving forward I know how I am going to handle things and whats done is done.

[Dio Demon]

Not my fight, and I don't wish it to be my fight down the track either.

My point is that BioWare legally owes you nothing. But it doesn't mean ethically they can get off scot free but they have no reason to do anything. As I said somewhere in another place. It'd be nice if BioWare offered an upgrade path.

 

It's in the same ballpark as it'd be nice if EA didn't try to price gouge Australians 

 

 

Moving forward I know how I am going to handle things and whats done is done.

I think that's the best option for most people. Nothing's going to change. EA needs to stop listening to accountants

[Geth Supremacy]

I think that's the best option for most people. Nothing's going to change. EA needs to stop listening to accountants

 

 

I'm not mad at EA tbh.  Companies only do what the people that buy their products allow them to do.  Everyone just has to have their line where they stop supporting.  What has been done to last gen was that line for me.  Don't get me wrong...I hate EA, but they are only about their profit margins and the fans are what gives that to them.

 

It's nice to think there will be this group of people that will stand up and at least buy their games used, but when ME: A comes out the hype will be there as will many peoples pre orders.  It's just how it goes.  That's bad when fans as a whole are weak in things like this, but its just how it is.  Their profits will be as strong as ever and the wheel will keep turning.  I just won't be part of it.  And for that I can take a little bit of personal pride.  I like not letting myself get walked over.  And while this is just a video game its still the "right" thing for me.  And for other fans who aren't going to let themselves be walked over either? Respect.

[Dio Demon]

I'm not mad at EA tbh.  Companies only do what the people that buy their products allow them to do.  Everyone just has to have their line where they stop supporting.  What has been done to last gen was that line for me.  Don't get me wrong...I hate EA, but they are only about their profit margins and the fans are what gives that to them.

 

It's nice to think there will be this group of people that will stand up and at least buy their games used, but when ME: A comes out the hype will be there as will many peoples pre orders.  It's just how it goes.  That's bad when fans as a whole are weak in things like this, but its just how it is.  Their profits will be as strong as ever and the wheel will keep turning.  I just won't be part of it.  And for that I can take a little bit of personal pride.  I like not letting myself get walked over.  And while this is just a video game its still the "right" thing for me.  And for other fans who aren't going to let themselves be walked over either? Respect.

There's more to a successful business then profits but profits is the core of it. EA tends to forget about the intangible assets such as goodwill, which has a very strong but indirect part of sales.

 

One great example would be you. EA's brand is held in such low renown with you that you've boycotted it,  you're going to spread negative word of mouth thus creating negative advertising.

 

But the game industry is weird substitutes don't have as much impact as they do in other markets. But negative word of mouth will still have an effect. EA needs to hire some competent marketers.

[Eelectrica]

The only EA products I buy are those produced by Bioware based on a lifetime of products right back from BG.

But yeah I'm very wary of ME:A. When the hype train gets going I can see all sorts of under the table deals being done by MS or Sony. That anti-consumer BS needs to stop, but whilst customers buy into it, it won't.

Once upon a time ME:A would have been an automatic pre-order. Not this time. I'll be taking the wait and see approach.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Not good enough. Buying a product means buying support for the lifetime of that product.

The lifetime of that product has ended.

You're trying to assert that the product sold is the same product regardless of platform, and that all should be treated equally. Except you're offering no support for that position. No one is.

Saying it's unfair doesn't make it so. Explain why. Connect those dots.

[pdusen]

As a PC gamer, I would not accept an announcement that future DLC/updates were only restricted to X-box one and PS4 customers.

My reaction would be exactly the same as those on PS3 and XB360.

So no. Take your anti-consumer corporate BS elsewhere.

 

You don't have to accept it and you can react however you want. But there's no ethical dilemma.

[thewatcheruatu]

I'm having a difficult time wrapping my mind around this. If you bought a game on a previous generation console, you got what you paid for--that game. Did you enter into some sort of contract with BioWare stating that they would have to continue offering you DLC on that console for said game in perpetuity? I don't even understand why anybody would assume that.

 

If, for whatever reason, you can no longer play the game for which you paid, then I'd be right there with you.

 

I guess it's difficult for me to be too sympathetic, because as a PC gamer, I'm often upgrading my machine in order to be able to handle new games, or even engine upgrades to games I'm already playing. If you want to stay on the front line of gaming, then you need to keep your hardware up to spec.

 

I dunno...I just don't see the problem.

[Sylvius the Mad]

That anti-consumer BS needs to stop, but whilst customers buy into it, it won't.

No argument there.

But while that "anti-consumer BS" is unfortunate, it is not unethical.

[thewatcheruatu]

As a PC gamer, I would not accept an announcement that future DLC/updates were only restricted to X-box one and PS4 customers.

My reaction would be exactly the same as those on PS3 and XB360.

So no. Take your anti-consumer corporate BS elsewhere.

 

If they started releasing DLC that had higher minimum system requirements than my PC could support, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'd either upgrade my PC or I simply wouldn't buy the DLC. I wouldn't have assumed that just because my system supported the vanilla game, it would continue to function for all future content.

 

It's probably not a fair comparison, because on PC you often kind of have the option to attempt to play the game regardless of not meeting the requirements, but guess what any game company will tell you if you buy their game and you can't run it on your system because of a failure to meet said requirements? I'll tell you: "Too bad."

 

Look--I'm not saying it isn't a frustrating thing to have happened to previous generation console owners. But I don't see it as anti-consumer either. Or at least, as much as it is anti-consumer, it's also pro-consumer, because BioWare/EA have made a decision to try to present the best experience possible for gamers moving forward. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to discontinue releasing on older consoles. If nothing else, don't you think they would have loved the extra money they'd have earned selling it to them?!

 

I guess my thing is I don't see the Dragon Age games as nothing but platforms for future DLC. They're full-fledged games in and of themselves. Hell--some people have put hundreds of hours into just the vanilla game. You're really going to complain you didn't get your money's worth?

 

This is a very new phenomenon. Even five years ago, if you bought a game, you were just buying the game. If you could get some updates for it later, that was just gravy. Now it's an entitlement.

[Gold Dragon]

As a PC gamer, I would not accept an announcement that future DLC/updates were only restricted to X-box one and PS4 customers.

My reaction would be exactly the same as those on PS3 and XB360.

 

 

Tell me, WHERE did it say in the EULA That Bioware was REQUIRED to Sell you DLC?  To ANY game? Point it out to me.

 

I'm waiting....

 

You can't, can you?

 

Because it doesn't exist.

 

The Transaction was for ONE(1) game License.  And that was given.  The EULA even does specify that Bioware can END support AT ANY TIME, giving only notification beforehand (which was done).

 

 

So no. Take your anti-consumer corporate BS elsewhere.

 

I find you to be VERY offensive, and so reported.

[GithCheater]

There have been several statements that unavailability of DLC for last gen is unfair, but not unethical???

 

However, unfair is a synonym for unethical.  Too many seem to confuse that something that is legal is not necessarily ethical.

 

Other synomyms for unethical ...

 

Wrongfully marketing that new DLC not being available for last-gen owners is "good news"

 

Unprofessional - Not providing an explanation as to why the change was made

 

Underhanded & Fly by Night - suddenly discontinuing support for last gen after only 8 months without any warning.

 

Unscroupulously requiring last gen owners to purchase a 2nd copy of DAI to play new DLC.

[Spankatola]

A mere 8 months! Why, I'm entitled to at least 24 months of full support, according to the arbitrary line I just drew up in my head!