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[Lebanese Dude]

Exactly. Of course almost everyone owns a PC these days, but that doesn't mean that they've got a PC which is really suited for playing Inquisition. I, for one, can't even play Origins or The Witcher on mine.

 

Would you have been better off if you weren't able to play DAI to begin with? At least you got to play the base game.

 

You would have had to upgrade to a next-gen console (or buy a new PC) in order to play it.

 

So all you technically lose overall is the money you spent on buying the old-gen version of DAI.

 

Just sell the current copy you have to a reseller and buy the game at a relatively cheap price compared to release.

 

You'll lose a bit of money, but you could consider that a loss of investment of buying a video game on a 10 year old console and not being able to buy DLC for it.

 

You'll probably even MAKE money if you sell the old console as well.

[quinwhisperer]

Would you have been better off if you weren't able to play DAI to begin with? At least you got to play the base game.

You would have had to upgrade to a next-gen console (or buy a new PC) in order to play it.

So all you technically lose overall is the money you spent on buying the old-gen version of DAI.

Just sell the current copy you have to a reseller and buy the game at a relatively cheap price compared to release.

You'll lose a bit of money, but you could consider that a loss of investment of buying a video game on a 10 year old console and not being able to buy DLC for it.

You'll probably even MAKE money if you sell the old console as well.

BioWare's decision doesn't affect me at all, I've got a PS4. I merely find it extremely disappointing how little empathy there is for old-gen players. How would you feel? If BioWare dropped the support for PC users (no future DLCs and patches for Inquisition), would you seriously just accept it and move on? I think old-gen users have a right to raise their voices, because BioWare made the decision to release Inquisition on their platform of choice. It's not just about DLCs but also about future patches. I don't want to attack you or anyone else, I'm just disappointed and a little sad about this whole mess -- it's not very customer-friendly.

[Lebanese Dude]

BioWare's decision doesn't affect me at all, I've got a PS4. I merely find it extremely disappointing how little empathy there is for old-gen players. How would you feel? If BioWare dropped the support for PC users (no future DLCs and patches for Inquisition), would you seriously just accept it and move on? 

I empathize with people for their expectation of continued service, despite it being an expectation and not a right. I'd hate that to happen to me.

 

However, I'd also understand why they did it and what I must do to continue playing, because it HAS happened to me. 

 

You do realize that PC users have to upgrade their systems every four years if they want to be able to play newer games? That's where your analogy is flawed.

 

In the past 7 years, I've had 3 different computers. I just bought a new one because my older one couldn't handle any modern games despite being a upper-tier laptop at the time of purchase.

 

The old-gen console has been around for NINE years. If I tried to run DAI on a 9-year old PC, it would probably explode.

 

Honestly console users have it way better than PCs in this department. Just look at all the threads made by PC users who couldn't get the game to work. As it turned out, they didn't even have the minimum requirements or had systems with all sorts of issues that made it difficult to get going. It's so much worse for us when deprecation happens, because we have PCs that can't run a PC game. Unless you're somewhat knowledgeable about PC specs you wouldn't even know it.

 

I know the feeling, but you don't see me asking BioWare to make DAI work on my old PC do you?

 

At least you got to play the base game. There are steps you can take to continue playing, and you'd have had to them anyway if you wanted to play a next-gen exclusive DAI to begin with. All you'll lose is the price of the old-gen game. Considering prices have dropped, it's not that big of a loss. 

 

All you gotta do is compare the value you get from any potential DLC to the value of the new game (which would be around 30$).

That's not bad to me at all, considering I love BioWare games.

Of course this is all contingent on being able to buy a next-gen console. However, like I said, at least you got to play the base game.

 

Just trying to be practical here.

[correctamundo]

BioWare's decision doesn't affect me at all, I've got a PS4. I merely find it extremely disappointing how little empathy there is for old-gen players. How would you feel? If BioWare dropped the support for PC users (no future DLCs and patches for Inquisition), would you seriously just accept it and move on? I think old-gen users have a right to raise their voices, because BioWare made the decision to release Inquisition on their platform of choice. It's not just about DLCs but also about future patches. I don't want to attack you or anyone else, I'm just disappointed and a little sad about this whole mess -- it's not very customer-friendly.

 

Yep, I would accept and move on. There is no point in staying with old hardware if you want to continue with your gaming hobby in the future.

 

Like a roller in the ocean, life is motion - move on.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Did people say these same arguments when people in central Europe couldn't get the LotSB dlc in ME2?

[CronoDragoon]

Whether or not it's unethical, it's certainly not treating a section of your fanbase well. Nevertheless, since it was either this or no more DLC, I'm happy it happened for my own interests.

[Iakus]

Who doesn't have a pc in this day and age? I already bought a copy for PC anyway, for mods. I've done that for every game.

What this really boils down to is a) people are cheap and 2) people are too attached to the way things used to be.

A gaming rig?  Quite a few people, really.

 

Your attitude seems to be "I got mine, who cares about anyone else"

[Iakus]

I empathize with people for their expectation of continued service, despite it being an expectation and not a right. I'd hate that to happen to me.

 

However, I'd also understand why they did it and what I must do to continue playing, because it HAS happened to me. 

 

Wait, you do?  As far as I know, there has been no official explanation whatsoever.  Just assumptions.

[Eelectrica]

Hopefully this works from phone. To their credit a few BW employees stepped up to explain some things. No solutions for people who feel short changed though.

http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

I just hope BW learn from this I don't feel they've handled this well at all. I appreciate they're caught between a rock and hard place. But they put themselves in this situation and somehow it's the customers fault.

[AresKeith]

Hopefully this works from phone. To their credit a few BW employees stepped up to explain some things. No solutions for people who feel short changed though.

http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

I just hope BW learn from this I don't feel they've handled this well at all. I appreciate they're caught between a rock and hard place. But they put themselves in this situation and somehow it's the customers fault.

 

I'd say EA and generational shift put them in this situation 

[AlanC9]

You do realize that PC users have to upgrade their systems every four years if they want to be able to play newer games? That's where your analogy is flawed.
 
In the past 7 years, I've had 3 different computers. I just bought a new one because my older one couldn't handle any modern games despite being a upper-tier laptop at the time of purchase.
 

Four years seems awfully short to me. I get about twice that myself. Maybe laptops make it worse?

[Iakus]

Four years seems awfully short to me. I get about twice that myself. Maybe laptops make it worse?

Agreed.  my last desktop lasted eight with minimal upgrades.

[Lebanese Dude]

Four years seems awfully short to me. I get about twice that myself. Maybe laptops make it worse?

 

Yep.. talking about laptops ... gaming laptops need to be replaced every four years. I would love to get a desktop but I move around too much. 

 

Gaming laptops are a better comparison to consoles anyway, being just as limited in terms of upgradability and effective lifetime. 

 

The point still stands even for desktops. Desktop users need to shell out money to keep the same system effective, albeit at a relatively cheaper price than us poor laptop users

 

 

Wait, you do?  As far as I know, there has been no official explanation whatsoever.  Just assumptions.

 

I don't understand what you're saying.

 

If you're referring to DLC being an expectation rather than a right, then I fail to see how that's an assumption.

 

Read the Terms of Use and see if DLC was included as a right. 

 

 

Agreed.  my last desktop lasted eight with minimal upgrades.

 

Unless you bought it top-of-the-line at release,  I doubt you could run a game like DAI on an eight-year old desktop with "minimal" upgrades You'd at least need an OS upgrade, a new graphics card, more RAM, etc.... I mean you probably could but you'd have crashes galore and would have to run it at 480p resolution

 

That or you're pretty damn good at maintaining your PC. Unfortunately, most people don't have that skill.

[Panda]

Yep, I would accept and move on. There is no point in staying with old hardware if you want to continue with your gaming hobby in the future.

 

Like a roller in the ocean, life is motion - move on.

 

I was planning moving on with new game, ME:A to be exact.. not middle of the game. I'm quite sure that most of old gen owners though similarly, since DAI is cross-gen game they could play that on old gen and then move on.

[Panda]

Who doesn't have a pc in this day and age? I already bought a copy for PC anyway, for mods. I've done that for every game.

What this really boils down to is a) people are cheap and 2) people are too attached to the way things used to be.

 

Everyone most likely has PC. However my guess is that majority of those PC's do have Intel HD Graphics as GPU, my old PC had and my current laptop has And good luck with trying to play DAI with that. What I'm meaning here is that majority of PC's people have aren't exactly gaming PC's, sure they can run light games, but DAI is opposite of that.

[Panda]

Exactly. Of course almost everyone owns a PC these days, but that doesn't mean that they've got a PC which is really suited for playing Inquisition. I, for one, can't even play Origins or The Witcher on mine.

 

Actually you are probaply able to play DAO and Witcher 1 with everything as low as possible, basing this on my old PC which I used to play both and was below mininum requirements.. though you have to use some trickery with Witcher 1 on steam otherwise it refuses to start if you are below mininum. They are both alright to play too even if you are below in my opinion, got 300+ hours with DAO like that

 

Well just saying this if you haven't tried to run them and would like to ^^;

[Avejajed]

A gaming rig?  Quite a few people, really.

 

Your attitude seems to be "I got mine, who cares about anyone else"

 

Well.....

 

Okay, if you're going to put me into that box, fine. It's your fault if you haven't upgraded your system by now and I refuse to feel bad for you for it.

 

At the end of the day, you're right. I care about me. And when it comes to gaming, the only person in charge of my experience is ME. I pick what system I use, how fast my internet speed is, what games I play, etc. I wanted to improve my gaming experience with Dragon Age so I chose to upgrade my gaming system. I have found that this early decision, despite my resistance in paying full price, has paid off, both in quality of the experience and now, in content that I would not have been able to experience otherwise. 

 

Nobody else controls what I choose to spend my money on. I work a full time job and have bills and debts that I pay on just like any other adult. Since gaming is important to both myself and my husband as a way we can spend our free time, we regularly invest money into it, same as PC gamers invest money into their computers. 

 

So yeah, my $500 investment paid off. That's what I care about, because I'm the only person I can control. The developers surely want to make the best game they can and it's just not realistic to expect that they can when they are so bogged down by last-gen limitations. It's not up to me, or to Bioware, or to anyone else, to make sure that you have the same experience as someone who paid $500 for a new system. That's your responsibility. They do the best they can but realistically, you knew you'd have a watered down experience to start with. They were very clear about that.

 

And if you don't upgrade, you've only got yourself to blame when you're playing games from 2002 because you can't play any of the new releases. What Bioware SHOULD have done is to have made the entire game for the next generation ONLY in the first place. Look what pandering to last-gen has gotten them now...nothing but a headache.

[Lebanese Dude]

What Bioware SHOULD have done is to have made the entire game for the next generation ONLY in the first place. Look what pandering to last-gen has gotten them now...nothing but a headache.

 

I sincerely doubt it was BioWare's decision.

[Avejajed]

I sincerely doubt it was BioWare's decision.

 

True story. Bioware totally would have done next gen only. Guess you guys should be happy EA is so greedy.

[CronoDragoon]

Sure, but nobody is complaining about BioWare asking them to upgrade for their game. That would have been BioWare making the vanilla game next-Gen only and saying, "Hey, you wanna play it you got be up to date." Im not seeing many complaints about MEA. The issue comes in when that's the tagline after fans have already bought the version that they didn't know at the time would be worse off in more than just an aesthetic sense, which was the assurance pre-launch. Morever, even freaking Bethesda, owned by the soulless Zenimax, is running an upgrade promotion for Dishonored DE and giving it half off to people who own the digital version of vanilla Dishonored. Surely some type of promotion ($10 upgrade) would be a nice gesture.

[cdizzle2k3]

True story. Bioware totally would have done next gen only. Guess you guys should be happy EA is so greedy.

The pressure is on now though... This next story DLC better be fantastic and take full advantage(all the bells and whistles) of being exclusively on current gen systems.

 

If they release a DLC that could've been handled by the PS3 or 360, like Jaws of Haakon, they deserve to be taken to task for the decision to drop support. 

[Realmzmaster]

Everyone most likely has PC. However my guess is that majority of those PC's do have Intel HD Graphics as GPU, my old PC had and my current laptop has And good luck with trying to play DAI with that. What I'm meaning here is that majority of PC's people have aren't exactly gaming PC's, sure they can run light games, but DAI is opposite of that.

 

Actually I am running DAI on a HP Elitebook Folio 9470m with 8 GB Ram, I5 processor and Intel HD 4600 as GPU with a 128 GB SSD. It runs well. The only problem is keeping the laptop cool.

[duckley]

This does happen all the time and across consumer products. Maddening as hell, but not unethical. I can no longer get certain products for my car. Wanted to replace the floor mats... oopppps we don't make those anymore. Not going to buy a new car so I have to live with cra**y mats.

As I said - maddening, upsetting, annoying but built in obsolescence is here to stay.

[Panda]

Actually I am running DAI on a HP Elitebook Folio 9470m with 8 GB Ram, I5 processor and Intel HD 4600 as GPU with a 128 GB SSD. It runs well. The only problem is keeping the laptop cool.

 

It's quite below minimum I guess, but you can usually play below it. If it works for you it works ^^

[Bryan Johnson]

The pressure is on now though... This next story DLC better be fantastic and take full advantage(all the bells and whistles) of being exclusively on current gen systems.

 

If they release a DLC that could've been handled by the PS3 or 360, like Jaws of Haakon, they deserve to be taken to task for the decision to drop support. 

I am going to answer this comment. 

 

If you are expecting the next to be insane compared to what is already out, then likely you will already be disappointed. The reason for this, is DLC is generally content change with a bit of code change (it used to be on last-gen that it had to be content only, because it was required your DLC ran on the shipped version of the game, not the patched version). While the industry works to move away from this I expect we can see different DLC but simply speaking that change will not be instantaneous. 

 

Regardless of that, you still have to consider something like PC, we have minspec requirements to consider. So you cant push the envelope that far.

 

Next ill state there is other things to consider, something like you have to tie your content into the exist game in some sense, not all DLC can be self contained. Take something like a new piece of armor, if that thing has a new VFX then you could be putting additional memory load on your already streached sections of the game, even though it is something introduced by the DLC. On a minspec PC if you run out of memory the game can start paging to the hard drive, you might get performance problems but the game wont crash. Do you think something like this exists for both last-gen systems?