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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Actually I am running DAI on a HP Elitebook Folio 9470m with 8 GB Ram, I5 processor and Intel HD 4600 as GPU with a 128 GB SSD. It runs well. The only problem is keeping the laptop cool.

I have DA2 on my PC and my mac. Didn't have to buy the game twice or anything. In fact I have it installed on my old PC as well.

Therefore it boggles my mind that some are suggesting it's reasonable for someone who owns the game already to have to buy a second copy for a different platform.

The lack of empathy from some in this thread is astounding.

[Avejajed]

What do you want empathy from the thread for? We can't change what's done.

You want empathy from Bioware and I suspect they are sorry, though not enough to change their minds and sacrifice their art and vision for the game.

You might look to EA for empathy, but they don't care about you. Next Gen is where the money is. You don't want to spend money so they don't care about keeping your business.

[Iakus]

What do you want empathy from the thread for? We can't change what's done.

You want empathy from Bioware and I suspect they are sorry, though not enough to change their minds and sacrifice their art and vision for the game.

You might look to EA for empathy, but they don't care about you. Next Gen is where the money is. You don't want to spend money so they don't care about keeping your business.

How about empathy from fellow players, that Bioware is now providing tiered levels of service?  Some paying customers are getting higher levels of service than others.  Of course, this started way back with the JoH timed exclusive, but it seems to be going into overdrive now...

 

We may "suspect" Bioware is sorry, but have we even been given an official reason for dropping lastgen platforms?  

[Bryan Johnson]

How about empathy from fellow players, that Bioware is now providing tiered levels of service?  Some paying customers are getting higher levels of service than others.  Of course, this started way back with the JoH timed exclusive, but it seems to be going into overdrive now...

 

We may "suspect" Bioware is sorry, but have we even been given an official reason for dropping lastgen platforms?  

An "official" response no, but I do weigh in on the topic and many other things here
http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

An "official" response no, but I do weigh in on the topic and many other things here
http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

 

I've seen you popping up everywhere recently. Thanks for taking the time to interact with the forums. I hope it lasts for fairly long before you become bitter and disillusioned., *grins*

[Bryan Johnson]

I've seen you popping up everywhere recently. Thanks for taking the time to interact with the forums. I hope it lasts for fairly long before you become bitter and disillusioned., *grins*

Its more I come and go as I feel, my post count shows I am not one who is easily swayed

[Iakus]

An "official" response no, but I do weigh in on the topic and many other things here
http://forum.bioware...-going-forward/

Thanks again.  I don't do MP, so I don't visit those boards.

 

But I still think that Bioware coming forward with an "official" announcement and more importantly an explanation would have been nice.  As it is, I'm thinking a lot of players are feeling abandoned.

[Avejajed]

I think if anyone deserves empathy and an apology, it's the poor developers who have to wade through all this muck just to interact with their fans.

I mean, we're just out a DLC or two, they are being threatened and called ever terrible name imaginable on their own forum. That's who I feel sorry for.

[Just_January]

I wonder how much, if anything, BioWare would have lost if they had just fully committed to current gen consoles and left out the 360 and PS3? It must have complicated things a great deal from the get go when they decided to accommodate last gen, costing time and money. I purchased an XBOne so personally I would have preferred if they had just left last gen behind from the start...at this point, BioWare probably does too.

[c0bra951]

EA's own financial reports bring some objectivity to the topic.  First off, it's quite obvious that current consoles are front and center in the marketplace.  Anyone deluding themselves that PCs should be the sole focus of game development can now see the light.  Celebrate that consoles are here, because they make the insane budgets for new AAA games possible.  Second, it is equally obvious that Generation 7 has passed into the history books over the span of a year.  The adoption of Gen 8 has happened at ludicrous speed.  This explains financially why EA has abandoned 360 and PS3 users.  However, it does not justify it ethically.  So the conversation is far from closed.

 

This site digests the results fairly well.  I'm not a fan of Dualshockers, but occasionally they post something valuable.

[Morroian]

I think if anyone deserves empathy and an apology, it's the poor developers who have to wade through all this muck just to interact with their fans.

I mean, we're just out a DLC or two, they are being threatened and called ever terrible name imaginable on their own forum. That's who I feel sorry for.

 

Oh please this forum is pretty mild these days, even this debate has been relatively benign. And given the complete lack of dev presence since the game launched its pretty clear that they don;t have to come to the forum.

[Paul E Dangerously]

If Bioware had come out and said "The port's going to be flawed out the wazoo and we're going to drop support for you completely eight months in" I wonder how many last-gen versions of DAI they would've sold.

 

I mean, I'm not a graphics guy. I can happily go back and play anything from the old Gold Box D&D games to anything current, and I'm generally okay. But DAI's so bad in some respects it's just offensive. The hair and character models in a lot of respects look worse than Origins. Basic textures don't load during some of the most integral parts of the game. It launched with a bug that would cause dialogue to run together even during main quests, forcing you to skip them - and that wasn't fixed for another two months.

 

Honestly, this whole deal has left me more sour than any other gaming purchase in recent memory. I'm fine with "not as pretty as the next-gen" or "a few NPCs will be missing" but something like "did they actually put any effort into this version" is a whole other deal entirely. Especially after I was waiting for Bioware to fix DAI post-launch, I bought Witcher 2 for $9. The 360 port is really damned good. Almost like they put real effort into it.

 

If I get a next-gen or a PC that can run the latest titles, I won't be buying DAI again, I can guarantee you. The only way you can hit someone these days is in the wallet, and that's just what it requires. One person might not have an effect, but if enough people decide they've had enough, then perhaps the consumers will stop being treated like garbage.

[duckley]

If Bioware had made the game for new gen only, the outcry we hear today would have been heard earlier. Fans would have been angry and upset that they had to purchase a new system to play the game. I remember having to upgrade my computer to be able to play new games and I remember being very unhappy about it. I also remember buying a game that was supposed to be playable on my pc, but ran so terribly, the only way I could really play was to upgrade. It sucks for sure.

I feel badly that old gen players wont be able to experience some of the extras. Clearly Bioware made the wrong call in making the game for old gen because of all the issues and sub par game performance issues.

I chose to purchase a PS4 specifically for DA:I, and I am glad I did.

[Eelectrica]

If Bioware had made the game for new gen only, the outcry we hear today would have been heard earlier. Fans would have been angry and upset that they had to purchase a new system to play the game. I remember having to upgrade my computer to be able to play new games and I remember being very unhappy about it. I also remember buying a game that was supposed to be playable on my pc, but ran so terribly, the only way I could really play was to upgrade. It sucks for sure.

I feel badly that old gen players wont be able to experience some of the extras. Clearly Bioware made the wrong call in making the game for old gen because of all the issues and sub par game performance issues.

I chose to purchase a PS4 specifically for DA:I, and I am glad I did.

 

Difference is people would have known exactly where they stand instead of being strung along. It's a little late for BW to now say we shouldn't have released the game on older systems. Maybe a few people would have been disappointed, but that was the time for BW to say sorry guys we just can't get the game to run properly on the old systems.

[duckley]

True enough Eelectrica - but I still think Bioware is between a rock and hard place right now - regardless of how they got  there.

 

I do think had they chose to go new gen only - there would be a lot more than "a few people" being disappointed though - I can see the posts on this forum now LOL!

[Iakus]

True enough Eelectrica - but I still think Bioware is between a rock and hard place right now - regardless of how they got  there.

 

I do think had they chose to go new gen only - there would be a lot more than "a few people" being disappointed though - I can see the posts on this forum now LOL!

I dunno.  How many people are howling about Mass Effect: Andromeda being new gen only?

[PCThug]

Out of curiosity, is anyone not affected by the last gen drop but still against it planning to skip buying the next DLC?

[In Exile]

Situation with consoles is not comparable with PC. PC can have endless combinations of software and hardware and you can often upgrade within same machine. However console can't be upgraded, you can't change parts of PS3 to make PS4. You need to buy entirely new console. Also when you buy console game that says PS3 it's 100% sure (expect DAI) that it will work on you system. There is no requirements like in PC, it's PS3 game and it will work on PS3 unless it's broken.

Upgrading is not possible (maybe you can increase ROM or replace broken part, but not make it more powerful really) and it's quite never heard of that the game version doesn't have DLC's on some consoles it's released, this is slap in the face from Bioware that no old gen owner could have expected. This is not PC we are talking about and shouldn't be treated like one.

Is it true that consoles have always had DLC released universally? We've had platform exclusives before. Would you feel the same if Bioware did release DLC for old gen but e.g. entered into a deal with Sony to only release the DLC on PS3 and PS4?

[In Exile]

Because they had this really silly thought in their head that if they buy a game on a particular platform it will be supported on that platform for the entire cycle of the game.

Customers are funny that way.

It's a perfectly reasonable expectation. But this isn't quite like Bioware dropping support (though they're probably going to do that too via patches), since this is about not selling future content. Which is an interesting dillema IMO from a consumer POV. What makes selling (or not selling) DLC different from not selling the next iteration of the game on that platform (e.g. DA4 being next gen only)?

[Iakus]

It's a perfectly reasonable expectation. But this isn't quite like Bioware dropping support (though they're probably going to do that too via patches), since this is about not selling future content. Which is an interesting dillema IMO from a consumer POV. What makes selling (or not selling) DLC different from not selling the next iteration of the game on that platform (e.g. DA4 being next gen only)?

DLC has become an integral part of video games in the last few years.  Rightly or wrongly, a game is not seen as "complete" until all the DLC is released.  For better or for worse, it's part of gaming culture now.  

 

So by not selling all the DLC on a given platform, it is seen as not selling a complete game.  If they had said right off the bat a given game like DAI or MEA) was going to be nextgen only, you at least know months/years in advance that a game will or will not be available to you.  You are not out any money, as there was no product for you to buy to begin with.  If you sell a game and suddenly drop DLC support a few months later you are left feeling like you bought an incomplete product.

[Panda]

Is it true that consoles have always had DLC released universally? We've had platform exclusives before. Would you feel the same if Bioware did release DLC for old gen but e.g. entered into a deal with Sony to only release the DLC on PS3 and PS4?

 

I haven't heard console exclusive DLC before, console exclusive games a lot and nowdays timed exclusive DLC's, but not really permanently one's. I would not be surprised if some developer somewhere has done that though, but I think it's at least very rare.

 

Yes, pretty much. I'd feel that it's unfair business practice from Bioware that benefits them and Sony, but disregards players- the customers that actually buy your games. I'd be vocally against it as well though the situation would be slightly different for me since I could actually buy the DLC's so my position would be same as some new gen and PC players have expressed here. In other hand I'd find it bit more outrageous in viewpoint of not offended party, but critical thinker.. exclusive DLC deal with Sony or Microsoft would not benefit Bioware other than money-wise, justification for that act would be very thin. Because I can kinda get that old gen can't handle everything I'm asking for discount and not demanding DLC for old gen, though I think best would have been Bioware just sucking it up and supporting old gen until the end. However situation would be even more outrageous with Sony or Microsoft exclusive DLC ^^

[Narcosynthesis]

I dunno.  How many people are howling about Mass Effect: Andromeda being new gen only?

 

Difficult to compare. I mean, ME:A will come out at the end of 2016; I'd say with the old-gen then being >10 years old and the new-gen over three years on the market, most people would agree that the transition is done by then.

I would imagine that the situation was a little different during the time DA:I was developed since that happened well in the transition period between console generations (and not entirely sure, but: wasn't it originally said to come out 10-12 months earlier?), so from a business perspective it probably still made sense to go for all five platforms.

[Morroian]

True enough Eelectrica - but I still think Bioware is between a rock and hard place right now - regardless of how they got  there.

 

I do think had they chose to go new gen only - there would be a lot more than "a few people" being disappointed though - I can see the posts on this forum now LOL!

 

Sure but they could have handled it better, with an apology for one thing, and with a discount on a new purchase of DAI for PC or new gen.

[cdizzle2k3]

I am going to answer this comment. 

 

If you are expecting the next to be insane compared to what is already out, then likely you will already be disappointed. The reason for this, is DLC is generally content change with a bit of code change (it used to be on last-gen that it had to be content only, because it was required your DLC ran on the shipped version of the game, not the patched version). While the industry works to move away from this I expect we can see different DLC but simply speaking that change will not be instantaneous. 

 

Regardless of that, you still have to consider something like PC, we have minspec requirements to consider. So you cant push the envelope that far.

 

Next ill state there is other things to consider, something like you have to tie your content into the exist game in some sense, not all DLC can be self contained. Take something like a new piece of armor, if that thing has a new VFX then you could be putting additional memory load on your already streached sections of the game, even though it is something introduced by the DLC. On a minspec PC if you run out of memory the game can start paging to the hard drive, you might get performance problems but the game wont crash. Do you think something like this exists for both last-gen systems?

I understand the technical constraints and limitations. I didn't mean that the game should be redefined. My point was basically that if the next DLC that is released is something that the 360 and PS3 are fully capable of handling, then people are going to question why they got dropped in the first place. I'm sure you guys are well aware of that fact, though.

 

I'm not sure what your role is with BioWare or with DA:I, but thanks for thanks for taking the time out to respond to some of these threads... Especially considering the heavy criticism in some of them!

[GreatBlueHeron]

Wow. Look at all the anti-consumer advocates speaking up for Bioware and EA. I'll make this really simple: it was announced at E3, before Inquisition was released, that xbox one would receive timed exclusive content. Bioware/EA never announced that any system would receive permanent exclusive content, which is what is happening now for ps4, pc and xbox one users. Complain all you want about "entitlement"--Bioware was upfront about timed exclusivity before the game even released. They have no excuse for not announcing exclusive content for ps4, pc and xbox one. I, along with many others, were ripped off. Bioware and EA can do whatever they want. If they care about customer retention, they'll throw us a bone. If not, they'll lose customers. Their choice, they've made it, and so have I. Bioware/EA isn't the only game in town. There are other developers and publishers out there who appreciate their customers more.