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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

A year after launch of a next-gen consoles vs even 2 years (which we are at now) is a pretty substantial difference in terms of player expectations.

 

Still, might have been nicer to wait until DAI's DLC development was through before dropping the axe, no?

 

Just out of curiousity, as I've been posting above, on PC, through Origin, the game is already mine, and I can download it on whatever machine I like. Is this not true for Xbox or PS users? Can they not just download the game again from Origin if they have a registered copy (and an internet connection, which I thought the new gen consoles have?)

 

So we have here Bioware's employee finally addressing old gen thread. I wonder what's Bioware's stance on dropping all DLC's and patches on PS3 and XBOX360's and it's ethicality, since at least apology would have been players expectation to get.

 

I would think Bryan doesn't have the authority to issue an official apology on behalf of Bioware/EA even if he thinks it's deserved. Did they not apologize in the announcement?

[duckley]

I wonder if Bethesda eventually fixed Skyrim on PS3 or am I just incredibly lucky. I can't remember having even one crash with it nor really other bugs, it runs as well as Skyrim on my PC that I bought from steam summer sales, DLC's are cheaper that way

 

Found thread where people were talking in 2013 how it was finally fixed so no it doesn't seem like Bethesda did same as Bioware here, they released buggy and broken game, but eventually got it working after patches. Bioware isn't even trying, they really haven't been trying since release and now they are just stopping all patches and abandoning players completely.

Don't know if they ever fixed it. DI traded it in after about 16 months of patches etc. I think there were some PS3 players that didn't have any game-breaking issues, so you were either lucky or eventually the patches made the game playable.  A two year wait though is a bit much to ask though - i bought the game the day it was released. PC and Xbox players were not as effected/

 

I guess though the point is that sucky stuff happens. And sometimes consumers have to bite the bullet - either dont play or pay up as in my case with Skyrim. I made the choice to pay up. 

 

Bioware is between a rock and a hard place IMO. I think they tried to make the game accessible to all in good faith, but clearly old gen players were getting something sub-par and new gen players were not able to benefit from their consoles to the  fullest. To me it was more ethical to discontinue trying to fix the unfixable.   

[Bryan Johnson]

Just out of curiousity, as I've been posting above, on PC, through Origin, the game is already mine, and I can download it on whatever machine I like. Is this not true for Xbox or PS users? Can they not just download the game again from Origin if they have a registered copy (and an internet connection, which I thought the new gen consoles have?)

If they bought it digitally it is forever tied to their account, if they bought it on a disc it is forever tied to that disc (there is no such thing as a code in the disc version, except deluxe content which would be tied to the account and not the disc)

[Panda]

Still, might have been nicer to wait until DAI's DLC development was through before dropping the axe, no?

 

Just out of curiousity, as I've been posting above, on PC, through Origin, the game is already mine, and I can download it on whatever machine I like. Is this not true for Xbox or PS users? Can they not just download the game again from Origin if they have a registered copy (and an internet connection, which I thought the new gen consoles have?)

 

 

I would think Bryan doesn't have the authority to issue an official apology on behalf of Bioware/EA even if he thinks it's deserved. Did they not apologize in the announcement?

 

On consoles if you own physical copy you can install the game to another console (not PS3 game to PS4 and so on of cource) and apparently digital version is tied to your PSN account and you can install it up to 5 PS3's (haven't really tried it cause I have only one PS3 and no reason to get another).

 

I'm not asking for him to apologise, apology that you have to ask for would be worth nothing. They didn't apologise in the announcement, they spinned the information around as something positive: "Look at this awesome save importer feature we did just for you! Oh and btw we won't be patching and releasing DLC's to old gen." The info of not having patches and DLC's was within the text so it wasn't even main information in their opinion and it was stated like that. The article was about save importer and how it awesome it was so basically Bioware patting itself back while screwing us up.

 

Don't know if they ever fixed it. DI traded it in after about 16 months of patches etc. I think there were some PS3 players that didn't have any game-breaking issues, so you were either lucky or eventually the patches made the game playable.  A two year wait though is a bit much to ask though - i bought the game the day it was released. PC and Xbox players were not as effected/

 

I guess though the point is that sucky stuff happens. And sometimes consumers have to bite the bullet - either dont play or pay up as in my case with Skyrim. I made the choice to pay up. 

 

Bioware is between a rock and a hard place IMO. I think they tried to make the game accessible to all in good faith, but clearly old gen players were getting something sub-par and new gen players were not able to benefit from their consoles to the  fullest. To me it was more ethical to discontinue trying to fix the unfixable.   

 

I searched for it and they were fixing it with many patches and it was finally fixed with patch 1.9 around 6th April in 2013. Bottomline is that in current condition the game runs nicely and it's not broken, at least for most.

 

I don't think there is nothing ethical about discontinuing if you are completely going to abandon part of player base without any compensations. You think that two years wait is too long, but how is abandoment and not having fixes more ethical than that? Also DAI isn't unfixable, Bioware just gave up from the start cause they don't care that's why there is just couple console unique fixed with PS3 and XBOX360 on all patch notes. When PC has something like 200 and new gen consoles close that as well. Haven't counted exactly, but that's approximately the difference. Difference in Bethesda and Bioware is that Bethesda didn't gave up even if it took year and half and was frustrating to players, but Bioware didn't even really try and  then gave up after half year without any communication and apologies towards players.

[Savber100]

Did you say the same thing when central European players couldn't get LotSB?

Unethical is if they had promised ALL DLC in a season pass for ALL PLATFORMS but then refuse to refund when they had to reverse their decision. 

Unethical is people that forecloses a person's home after tricking them into the quandary of predatory loaning. 

Unethical is when corporations violate human rights by using sweat shops in China for a cheaper product. 

 

A company that decides to sell DLC (that was never promised to all platforms) to people with better hardware does sucks from a consumer perspective but is not unethical as you paid the $60 for the base game of Dragon Age: Inquisition as stated in the sales page. 

You're not being cheated if ADDITIONAL, OPTIONAL CONTENT is being sold on a different platform. 

[Fredvdp]

Calling this an ethical issue is a bit of a stretch. When you bought the original package, you got exactly what you paid for: The base game of Dragon Age Inquisition. I understand that some people don't want to upgrade to current-gen for a variety of reasons, and that missing out on content is disappointing, but this is in absolutely no way an ethical issue. It's also not the first time BioWare has made such a decision. It happened with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U as well.

[GreatBlueHeron]

You can't fix something already broken past the point of repair. 
 
The reason your game sucks on your platform is because your platform is using technology from a decade ago. It's obsolete. Sony is only offering support through the end of this year. Microsoft only till sometime in 2016. 
 
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Bullfeces. This has nothing to do with how old the consoles are, especially when I can play gta5 without a hitch, a much more complex game. Even Skyrim works better and that game is HUGE. Bethesda's got issues, but they didn't abandon the ps3. Bioware abandoned xbox 360 ans ps3. The excuses are just that--excuses. You have no dog in this at all. You got better treatment for purchasing the same game. Congratulations. You're awesome. I've been screwed out of my money, so I won't be handing over any more to EA. Their loss.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Calling this an ethical issue is a bit of a stretch. When you bought the original package, you got exactly what you paid for: The base game of Dragon Age Inquisition. I understand that some people don't want to upgrade to current-gen for a variety of reasons, and that missing out on content is disappointing, but this is in absolutely no way an ethical issue. It's also not the first time BioWare has made such a decision. It happened with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U as well.

Yeah, cause its totally okay that I paid the same amount for the same game as others and I receive less content and support. Not unethical at all.

[Panda]

Calling this an ethical issue is a bit of a stretch. When you bought the original package, you got exactly what you paid for: The base game of Dragon Age Inquisition. I understand that some people don't want to upgrade to current-gen for a variety of reasons, and that missing out on content is disappointing, but this is in absolutely no way an ethical issue. It's also not the first time BioWare has made such a decision. It happened with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U as well.

 

That's quite alarming to hear. Bioware has abandoned players like this before? That indicates that they might also do it in the future, maybe Microsoft gaves them sweet deal on DLC's and ME:A will suddenly have XBONE only DLC's. They already did timed exclusivity deals with Microsoft with DAI so I wouldn't be too suprised if they continued with this business tactic, customer satisfactory doesn't really seem to be their first concern.

[Avejajed]

Bullfeces. This has nothing to do with how old the consoles are, especially when I can play gta5 without a hitch, a much more complex game. Even Skyrim works better and that game is HUGE. Bethesda's got issues, but they didn't abandon the ps3. Bioware abandoned xbox 360 ans ps3. The excuses are just that--excuses. You have no dog in this at all. You got better treatment for purchasing the same game. Congratulations. You're awesome. I've been screwed out of my money, so I won't be handing over any more to EA. Their loss.

 

You aren't screwed out of your money. You paid $60 for the base game of Dragon Age Inquisition on your console choice.  That's where the $60 went. And you liked it enough that you played it, and you apparently liked it enough that you'd be interested in buying DLC, so I'm fairly certain you got your money's worth.

 

Listen, for everyone who paints those of us who aren't inclined to feel sorry for those of you who can't experience the DLC on their old console- I'm not without some pity. I love Dragon Age and I'd want to continue playing and would be sad if I couldn't. But if I was in your position I'd just do what I should have done to begin with and get a new console and game. I'd finally play it the way it was meant to be played and I'd enjoy it. If things don't go my way I don't dig my heels in the ground, cross my arms, and pout like a five year old. I shake it off, change what I need to change, and move on with my life.

 

And with that, I'm going to leave you guys to your bickering and whining about how Bioware hates you. When you resort to personal attacks there's nothing more to be said. 

[Iakus]

 

Listen, for everyone who paints those of us who aren't inclined to feel sorry for those of you who can't experience the DLC on their old console- I'm not without some pity. I love Dragon Age and I'd want to continue playing and would be sad if I couldn't. But if I was in your position I'd just do what I should have done to begin with and get a new console and game. I'd finally play it the way it was meant to be played and I'd enjoy it. If things don't go my way I don't dig my heels in the ground, cross my arms, and pout like a five year old. I shake it off, change what I need to change, and move on with my life.

 

ANd if said person can't afford a new console and game, and trusted Bioware to support the platforms they actually released the game on?

[Spectr61]

Calling this an ethical issue is a bit of a stretch. When you bought the original package, you got exactly what you paid for: The base game of Dragon Age Inquisition. I understand that some people don't want to upgrade to current-gen for a variety of reasons, and that missing out on content is disappointing, but this is in absolutely no way an ethical issue. It's also not the first time BioWare has made such a decision. It happened with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U as well.

Ever heard of a business plan?

Think the DAI business plan didn't include timelines and DLC projections?

To include some systems in plan to only drop them later smacks unethical to me.

Why include them in the first place, if not to just boost revenue while planning a later drop.

I'm on PC, but this still reeks to me. As does the initial decision to include them, thereby gimping the game for other platforms.

But, once the initial decision was made, to not follow through after accepting their funds is wrong.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

If they bought it digitally it is forever tied to their account, if they bought it on a disc it is forever tied to that disc (there is no such thing as a code in the disc version, except deluxe content which would be tied to the account and not the disc)

 

Didn't know that. Thanks for responding

[Fredvdp]

Yeah, cause its totally okay that I paid the same amount for the same game as others and I receive less content and support. Not unethical at all.

 

Exactly, because the additional content was not promised. You got exactly what you paid for: the contents advertised on the package.

 

If they had said "last gen will receive all post-game DLC", then it would have been an ethical issue, but as far as I'm aware, they never made such a claim.

[Panda]

It's all the more reason to shop-used and selectively wait for the final updates/patches/DLCs to drop and/if there will be a GOTY/Platinum edition containing all said DLC. I did go out and re-buy DAI for XBONE, however I bought it used through Amazon and paid significantly less than I did at launch. But now I think I will shop solely used/online unless it's confirmed to me that the game in question is worth the money and/or is through a reputable developer (Bethesda, etc.)

 

Yep I was way too naive with DAI and falled into marketing speech. I guess I just had way too high impression of Bioware, well at least that is low now so I won't be played again ^^; I have to see what I'll do with ME:A.

[Avejajed]

Yep I was way too naive with DAI and falled into marketing speech. I guess I just had way too high impression of Bioware, well at least that is low now so I won't be played again ^^; I have to see what I'll do with ME:A.

Well you'll probably need to get a new console first.

[Panda]

Well you'll probably need to get a new console first.

 

Yes?

[Avejajed]

Yes?

Well if you're going to buy a new console anyway …

[Beama Beorhtost]

@ Avejaded and your point is?

 

I'm going to get an X1 in October and I won't certainly re-buy the game. If I really feel the need to experience more of Thedas I'll wait till DA:I is free with gold and all the DLC are heavily discounted, which probably is going to happen before DA4 comes out.

 

I preordered the deluxe edition the day that they announced the platforms availability. I've played through bugs, crashes, glitches, and lack of banter, and I have completed DA:I twice (the second time as a female dalish inquisitor, so you know why I went through it all again) and have only one achievement missing. Since the game came out they have not provided any specific patches for the old gen and just ignored us whilst concentrating on the PC mess and few initial next gens problems. We have plenty of reasons for not wanting to spend anymore of our hard earned money ('cause most of us work too, you know) on another copy of the game when they didn't even bother to make the old ones functional. As we had trust in the company many of us waited for patches to roll out and solve the problems and ended up not being able to get a refund or substitution of the game.

 

Never again! The X1 line up shown between E3 and Gamescom is offering plenty of alternatives and I won't be spending another penny on this and probably the next few games, or until they show me that my custom count as much as the next gamer.

[pdusen]

So much melodrama.

[CronoDragoon]

But if I was in your position I'd just do what I should have done to begin with and get a new console and game. I'd finally play it the way it was meant to be played and I'd enjoy it.

 

Had that been the company line before release, like it is with ME:A now, there wouldn't be an issue. But the inclusion of old-gen was, in retrospect, an obvious cash-grab (a decision likely made by the suits. I'm sure the devs would have been much happier focusing on current gen/PC).

 

The issue isn't needing to buy a new console for the best version. The issue is BioWare selling the last gen versions as good alternatives (for the same price, I might add) because they were different only in an aesthetic sense. Aside from that not being true (the QA was far worse, not that anyone should expect a company to let their customers know such and such version is super buggy), now the last gen versions are getting dropped support far earlier than expected.

 

Because BioWare obviously didn't know this was happening at the time they were marketing the last gen versions, I don't think it's unethical for them to drop support. But like I said earlier, it certainly isn't treating your last gen customers well. They could make this up to people with a heavily discounted upgrade (like other companies have done, such as Bethesda, CDPR, and Square Enix) but it appears the relative cost of such a discount for EA outweighs the good favor of the people it would help (and any additional copies it might sell with the upgrade).

[Panda]

Well if you're going to buy a new console anyway …

 

Naturally I'll buy it eventually. And your point was?

[c0bra951]

So much melodrama.

 

I know, right?  People come in here to vent steam about getting ignored by EA, and then the corporate white knights come in and slam the lid on the pressure cooker.  It's the internet.  Whatcha gonna do?

[pdusen]

I know, right?  People come in here to vent steam about getting ignored by EA, and then the corporate white knights come in and slam the lid on the pressure cooker.  It's the internet.  Whatcha gonna do?

 

I'm not even gonna touch on the irony of this statement.