I don't even feel bad. That BW made this game work on ancient technology was a gift, one we all sacrificed for. Enough already.
Gift? It's product we payed same as all new-geners. Was game gift for you as well then? Probably you new-geners felt like pampered child in the Christmas then with having version that works well, has access to all DLC's and is being patched properly.
Don't say it's gift when we have bought it with misleading marketing.
I don't begrudge game makers and game distributors from doing whatever they want. Their job is to make money and apparently that's what console exclusives do. They want to beat the competition and that's whatever. Sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. I can play some games and not play others I wish I could.
But that'd just business. I work for a newspaper and our goal is to sell more ads, more copies, have better content, more subscriptions, more money...
Any business has a job to provide a service and to make money. The only thing you can actually do besides complain on here (which does nothing), is not buy the products.
I mean literally that's it.
Their business is not customer-oriented. They are too busy to make exclusivity deals and dropping players when it's convenient for them. If these developers take pride in their work and don't work purely for money, if they have some kind of passion and want to make good games then they should be more player-oriented. I hate this "money first" mentality, there is more important things in the life than instrumental value that money is. I don't have respect towards companies who value money over everything, reputation, customers and product they are putting out.
Their business is not customer-oriented. They are too busy to make exclusivity deals and dropping players when it's convenient for them. If these developers take pride in their work and don't work purely for money, if they have some kind of passion and want to make good games then they should be more player-oriented. I hate this "money first" mentality, there is more important things in the life than instrumental value that money is. I don't have respect towards companies who value money over everything, reputation, customers and product they are putting out.
It takes money to create vision. You can't really accuse Bioware of being greedy. EA maybe, but not Bioware.
But you have to have money to make it work.
Of course Bioware can be accused of being greedy ...
Bioware produced a defective game for ps360 and then dropped support 8 months later ... and their solution is for the customer to buy a new copy to play the DLC.
When I have a newspaper delivered to my home I expect it to be in good condition when I bring it in the house.
If my newspaper is soaking wet from rain and I complain, they will either deliver a new copy or credit my account. They do not expect me to pay for the newspaper again.
Maybe your newspaper is not so customer-friendly?
Gift? It's product we payed same as all new-geners. Was game gift for you as well then? Probably you new-geners felt like pampered child in the Christmas then with having version that works well, has access to all DLC's and is being patched properly.
Don't say it's gift when we have bought it with misleading marketing.
I'm a PC owner. I experience the pain you're feeling right now, except it happens every 2 to 3 years. Upgrade or don't play, that's the deal. And yes, it was a gift that they decided to make the game work on your machine at all. They didn't have to do that, and they made some tradeoffs on your behalf (on YOUR behalf, you ungrateful people!) that frankly I wish they hadn't. There was no misleading marketing. There's no promise of eternal support. You got every piece of content you paid for, just like everyone else. This is such a ridiculously entitled line of argument.
I'm a PC owner. I experience the pain you're feeling right now, except it happens every 2 to 3 years. Upgrade or don't play, that's the deal. And yes, it was a gift that they decided to make the game work on your machine at all. They didn't have to do that, and they made some tradeoffs on your behalf (on YOUR behalf, you ungrateful people!) that frankly I wish they hadn't. There was no misleading marketing. There's no promise of eternal support. You got every piece of content you paid for, just like everyone else. This is such a ridiculously entitled line of argument.
Oh, so last gen players got their game for free? They didn't pay full price for their copy of the game?
Edit: Also a PC owner. My last rig lasted eight years with minimal upgrades.
I'm a PC owner. I experience the pain you're feeling right now, except it happens every 2 to 3 years. Upgrade or don't play, that's the deal. And yes, it was a gift that they decided to make the game work on your machine at all. They didn't have to do that, and they made some tradeoffs on your behalf (on YOUR behalf, you ungrateful people!) that frankly I wish they hadn't. There was no misleading marketing. There's no promise of eternal support. You got every piece of content you paid for, just like everyone else. This is such a ridiculously entitled line of argument.
Spot on.
Except, what games are you playing that require you to upgrade your PC every 2-3 years or they don't work? I just realized the other day that I hadn't upgraded in over 4 years and it made no difference whatsoever. I started shopping around for new parts, but that was because I wanted to, not because games wouldn't run.
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Except it's not 'entitled' if they marketed Dragon Age: Inquisition for PS3 & XBOX 360 from the get-go, which they did as I recall. Had the game been exclusively XBONE/PS4 from the start and sometime later the devs out of the kindness of their hearts decided to throw us last-gen gamers a bone by developing a version for the older consoles AFTER the fact then sure I can see it as being a bit entitled, but as it stands they marketed it for all of the major consoles (sans Wii) and PC with the intention that people would be investing a lot of money into their product via SP DLC & Multiplayer, from the start - meaning as far as anyone knew the game would be supported on all of the advertised platforms, and not just drop support for older gen out of the blue a few months later.
Of course Bioware wanted to milk every last red cent they could get from their older-gen "fanbase" before literally & metaphorically giving them the middle finger and proposing the solution equating to; "so you're upset about paying full price for a new game that is no longer supported? Spend more money to get it on the newer/current gen!" Frustrated hell yes, entitled? Nope.
A PC might work for 8 years because when you first got it, you invested in it. You aren't getting a run of the mill Dell to work for all of your games for 8 years, no. You're investing MONEY into a SYSTEM that will LAST.
I can't speak for PS3, but the xbox is TEN YEARS OLD. I highly doubt you're still playing your games (at good quality) on a ten year old PC that hasn't been upgraded even a little bit.
I invested my time into working hard to save money, and then invested that money into a console that would see me through the next generation of games. You didn't. Not my problem, and not the problem of the game developers. They tried. It didn't work. They moved on, and you should too.
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A PC might work for 8 years because when you first got it, you invested in it. You aren't getting a run of the mill Dell to work for all of your games for 8 years, no. You're investing MONEY into a SYSTEM that will LAST.
I can't speak for PS3, but the xbox is TEN YEARS OLD. I highly doubt you're still playing your games (at good quality) on a ten year old PC that hasn't been upgraded even a little bit.
I invested my time into working hard to save money, and then invested that money into a console that would see me through the next generation of games. You didn't. Not my problem, and not the problem of the game developers. They tried. It didn't work. They moved on, and you should too.
Hey buddy no one's asking for Dragon Age 5-7 to be developed from last gen, just make the current & final installment for the last gen (which they used the resources to create anyway despite not having to) which is really all anyone is asking. No one here is asking for dragon age X to be developed for Atari or Xbox 360, just make the current one work that's all.
I'm a PC owner. I experience the pain you're feeling right now, except it happens every 2 to 3 years. Upgrade or don't play, that's the deal. And yes, it was a gift that they decided to make the game work on your machine at all. They didn't have to do that, and they made some tradeoffs on your behalf (on YOUR behalf, you ungrateful people!) that frankly I wish they hadn't. There was no misleading marketing. There's no promise of eternal support. You got every piece of content you paid for, just like everyone else. This is such a ridiculously entitled line of argument.
Upgrading doesn't usually happen mid-game release especially on consoles, you upgrade it when games are new-gen only. DAI isn't.
It's not gift if you have to pay for it, it's product. It's not more gift to us than anyone, it's actually less taken accord how unpatched it is and how it can't have DLC's even as we payed same than others- we got less with same payment.
Ungrateful? Grateful about what? Faulty product? They also did trade-offs with new-gen that affected old gen performance badly. If the game was old-gen only it'd run better on your systems and would look better as well.
The thing is that you feel like you are somewhat entitled to more than we are. You keep calling game a gift, game that wasn't fixed and doesn't have DLC opportunity when yours does. Seriously think a little what you are even saying. You are not more worthy than I or any other customers are so get down from your high-horse.
The thing is that you feel like you are somewhat entitled to more than we are. You keep calling game a gift, game that wasn't fixed and doesn't have DLC opportunity when yours does. Seriously think a little what you are even saying. You are not more worthy than I or any other customers are so get down from your high-horse.
Actually, when we paid $500 + for our new consoles we actually ARE entitled to more than you are. Better graphics, faster speeds, better performance. That's why we bought it.
Actually, when we paid $500 + for our new consoles we actually ARE entitled to more than you are. Better graphics, faster speeds, better performance. That's why we bought it.
And better support (heck support at AL!) more dlc...?
A PC might work for 8 years because when you first got it, you invested in it. You aren't getting a run of the mill Dell to work for all of your games for 8 years, no. You're investing MONEY into a SYSTEM that will LAST.
When I got my last computer, it was a pretty solid middle-of-the-road desktop. Yeah I invested in it, as I wanted it to last, but it wasn't a supercomputer threatening to cross over into a full-blown AI.
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They tried. It didn't work. They moved on, and you should too.
THey tried, TOOK THE PLAYERS' MONEY, didn't work, and moved on, you mean.
Console players have been telling me for years that my platform being dropped is imminent.I wonder how many people putting down last gen users would feel the same if their platform had all support cut off
Actually, when we paid $500 + for our new consoles we actually ARE entitled to more than you are. Better graphics, faster speeds, better performance. That's why we bought it.
They are entitled more from Sony and Microsoft. Not more from Bioware for same price.
EDIT: Also you are entitled to get game in quality of your platform as we are. None is asking PS3 DAI to look like PS4, people are asking it not to crash and freeze and textures to load. People are asking for DLC's and patches. Not PS4, PC or XBONE quality.
I can understand why people are upset. This is part of the reason why I did not buy any games on last gen that were available day and date with current gen. I wouldn't argue against a "make good" for people who got left out in the cold on this one.
It's no so much the discontinuation of it as much as it was no heads up from BioWare to say, "Hey, just keep in mind that DLC may not come to all platforms" well in advance of the sale.
Oh, so last gen players got their game for free? They didn't pay full price for their copy of the game?
Edit: Also a PC owner. My last rig lasted eight years with minimal upgrades.
Did I miss the part where somebody didn't get the game? Or are DLC's free for me?! Because dammit I just paid $15 for a free DLC, if that's true. Everybody got the same product. You want more, you pay more.
Spot on.
Except, what games are you playing that require you to upgrade your PC every 2-3 years or they don't work? I just realized the other day that I hadn't upgraded in over 4 years and it made no difference whatsoever. I started shopping around for new parts, but that was because I wanted to, not because games wouldn't run.
As Avejejad points out, you get what you pay for on PC. For most of my life I paid rock bottom prices for rock bottom equipment. Hell I waited for YEARS to be able to see a damn game in VGA, 256 colors! Instead of my stupid 16 color rig. Those days are gone now, but I get it.
Upgrading doesn't usually happen mid-game release especially on consoles, you upgrade it when games are new-gen only. DAI isn't.
It's not gift if you have to pay for it, it's product. It's not more gift to us than anyone, it's actually less taken accord how unpatched it is and how it can't have DLC's even as we payed same than others- we got less with same payment.
Ungrateful? Grateful about what? Faulty product? They also did trade-offs with new-gen that affected old gen performance badly. If the game was old-gen only it'd run better on your systems and would look better as well.
The thing is that you feel like you are somewhat entitled to more than we are. You keep calling game a gift, game that wasn't fixed and doesn't have DLC opportunity when yours does. Seriously think a little what you are even saying. You are not more worthy than I or any other customers are so get down from your high-horse.
Man, mid-game release isn't a thing. That's a concept you invented in your head so that you could whine about getting stuff you didn't buy. As Sylvius points out, that's a 5 year-old's version of "no fair!" In reality, we all got what we paid for. Yeah it had bugs, bug-free games haven't been a thing since games stopped shipping primarily on CD-ROM to PCs. You bought DAI, you got DAI. You played it. It worked. Presumably you got JoH if you paid for that as well. You got a bunch of patches, for free! Cheap as free, the best kind of cheap. All of this on a dinosaur that you had to know was moments away from the meteor strike. Life was good, but now it's done. It's just a thing that happens.
As for my entitlement - look. Everyone on Earth is entitled to the same thing, where money is concerned, and that's you get the things you pay for. We were both entitled to that, and we got it. The only way to twist that payment into entitlement for future content is to imply some promise on BW's part that you'd have access to it, which you just can't rationally do. You can't! Because it isn't free. It's a distinct product made with distinct effort and resources. That's not what you bought.
If that puts me on a high horse, it's because I bought one.
There's no relevant ethical angle here. The convoluted ethical rules one would need to invent in order for the old-gen drop to be unethical would render a great many ordinary behaviors unethical.
If BioWare simply stopped patches and DLC for all platforms, would that be unethical? If the game hadn't done well, that's exactly what they would have done. Would that have been unethical?
Because if it's not the case that dropping all platforms would be unethical, then it cannot be the case that dropping just some of them is. For that to be true, that means the cause of the ethical offense isn't the cessation of the sale, but that they're selling to someone else. It doesn't affect you at all. How can there be a relevant ethical angle if it makes no material difference?
It's tiered level of service. Some platforms are seen as more "worthy" than others, despite the fact that the game costs the same for everyone.
If they simply didn't release the game on oldgen platforms, that would have been one thing. But releasing the game on a platform, then prematurely cutting off support, ethical or not, is a pretty terrible thing to do to your customers.
And the lack of official explanation only makes things worse.
More and more Bioware is proving the phrase caveat emptor.
Did I miss the part where somebody didn't get the game? Or are DLC's free for me?! Because dammit I just paid $15 for a free DLC, if that's true. Everybody got the same product. You want more, you pay more.
As Avejejad points out, you get what you pay for on PC. For most of my life I paid rock bottom prices for rock bottom equipment. Hell I waited for YEARS to be able to see a damn game in VGA, 256 colors! Instead of my stupid 16 color rig. Those days are gone now, but I get it.
Man, mid-game release isn't a thing. That's a concept you invented in your head so that you could whine about getting stuff you didn't buy. As Sylvius points out, that's a 5 year-old's version of "no fair!" In reality, we all got what we paid for. Yeah it had bugs, bug-free games haven't been a thing since games stopped shipping primarily on CD-ROM to PCs. You bought DAI, you got DAI. You played it. It worked. Presumably you got JoH if you paid for that as well. You got a bunch of patches, for free! Cheap as free, the best kind of cheap. All of this on a dinosaur that you had to know was moments away from the meteor strike. Life was good, but now it's done. It's just a thing that happens.
As for my entitlement - look. Everyone on Earth is entitled to the same thing, where money is concerned, and that's you get the things you pay for. We were both entitled to that, and we got it. The only way to twist that payment into entitlement for future content is to imply some promise on BW's part that you'd have access to it, which you just can't rationally do. You can't! If that puts me on a high horse, it's because I bought one.
Patches are thing, because developers ship broken games. And no I barely got patches and my game barely is in working condition. It's not normal at all that game keep crashing on console- I have no game on PS3 that would work as badly as DAI does and I haven't needed to worry before that will game break my console either. I didn't pay for game that doesn't work properly and doesn't get DLC's, maybe you did, but I didn't.
When you buy game you are entitled with copy that works properly, gets patches and DLC's. If you don't get those you complaint about unfair and selling faulty product treatment like I'm complaining here. People like you who don't have any idea about customer rights and either are BW fanboys and -girls who can't take criticism towards their fav company or people who enjoy others misfortune.
Console players have been telling me for years that my platform being dropped is imminent.
I would simply leave.
There's no relevant ethical angle here. The convoluted ethical rules one would need to invent in order for the old-gen drop to be unethical would render a great many ordinary behaviors unethical.
If BioWare simply stopped patches and DLC for all platforms, would that be unethical? If the game hadn't done well, that's exactly what they would have done. Would that have been unethical?
Because if it's not the case that dropping all platforms would be unethical, then it cannot be the case that dropping just some of them is. For that to be true, that means the cause of the ethical offense isn't the cessation of the sale, but that they're selling to someone else. It doesn't affect you at all. How can there be a relevant ethical angle if it makes no material difference?
...I find myself in the unprecedented position of completely agreeing with Sylvius on something.
I'm not sure what's happening.
Is this the real life?
Patches are thing, because developers ship broken games. And no I barely got patches and my game barely is in working condition. It's not normal at all that game keep crashing on console- I have no game on PS3 that would work as badly as DAI does and I haven't needed to worry before that will game break my console either. I didn't pay for game that doesn't work properly and doesn't get DLC's, maybe you did, but I didn't.
When you buy game you are entitled with copy that works properly, gets patches and DLC's. If you don't get those you complaint about unfair and selling faulty product treatment like I'm complaining here. People like you who don't have any idea about customer rights and either are BW fanboys and -girls who can't take criticism towards their fav company or people who enjoy others misfortune.
Once again support means patches bug fixes and help with technical issues. Support does not mean new content. You are right about the fact that you should get the patches and bugfixes. It is the "because i brought base game I am entitled to any new content" is were you are wrong. FYI noone here is a Bioware fanboy or Fangirl just because they happen to take the stance opposite of you. You have 10 year old hardware. Upgrade if you want thenew DLC if not than don't. Or even better get a pc so you don't have this issue.
Patches are thing, because developers ship broken games. And no I barely got patches and my game barely is in working condition. It's not normal at all that game keep crashing on console- I have no game on PS3 that would work as badly as DAI does and I haven't needed to worry before that will game break my console either. I didn't pay for game that doesn't work properly and doesn't get DLC's, maybe you did, but I didn't.
When you buy game you are entitled with copy that works properly, gets patches and DLC's. If you don't get those you complaint about unfair and selling faulty product treatment like I'm complaining here. People like you who don't have any idea about customer rights and either are BW fanboys and -girls who can't take criticism towards their fav company or people who enjoy others misfortune.
If your game actually doesn't work, return it. If you waited too long to do that, game over. THAT'S your right as a consumer who purchases a software license. You can attack me all you like, you can dismiss my arguments by calling me a fanboy, it doesn't make your position any more meritorious. It makes you sound like a brat. Maybe I'm a big poopyhead, but only because I'm right.
@ Spankatola and chrstnmonk Have you seen her previous posts. This was just the drop that made 'my vase' overflow.
Also, just drop in the old gens problems thread if you haven't done it before so you understand why we are so p****d
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