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[Larry-3]

BioWare, can we get a vixen type girl for a squadmate? I have a weakness for the intelligent, deadly, attractive girls, with long legs, and long hair -- preferably red or black. I do not want the traditional female, the innocent girl, or the perfect paragon; I want the vixen, the ice queen, the girl who really beautiful and deadly simultaneously. I already know there is going to be romance, so let me have some fun. Think Morrigan from Dragon Age or Miranda Lawson from the eariler Mass Effect's.

[Broganisity]

. . .Welp, back to the Create-A-Companion thread I go.

[Larry-3]

. . .Welp, back to the Create-A-Companion thread I go.

Oh crap! I forgot about that thread!

[Broganisity]

Oh crap Darn! I forgot about that thread! Your stupid ideas!

[Larry-3]

I think my morality just moved ten points close to renegade.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I love a good ice queen, I just hope she's not straight exclusive this time. My poor female Warden and Shepard never got over Morrigan and Miranda.

[Feybrad]

If you get you ice Queen, I want my nice innocent Girl. Everyone should get what they want, right?

[DaemionMoadrin]

Morrigan was abrasive to hide her inexperience, Miranda was cold and professional because she was hiding her insecurities. Neither was a femme fatale.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

If you get you ice Queen, I want my nice innocent Girl. Everyone should get what they want, right?

 

I don't think you have to worry, they always stick a cutesy, innocent girl to romance in every game. (Liara, Tali, Traynor, Leliana, Merrill, and Josephine.)

 

Where as ice queens tend to alternate with the Ashley/Cassandra and Isabela/Sera achetypes.

[SnakeCode]

Nope. A femme fatale has to be sexy and seductive. Everyone knows you can't have sexy women in games anymore. It's misogynistic, body shaming, not "realistic" and i'm probably forgetting a few other things that make them "offensive." You just can't get away with characters like Morinth anymore.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Miranda was in no way a femme fatale or an ice-queen.

[Larry-3]

Miranda was in no way a femme fatale or an ice-queen.

What term would you have used?

[Larry-3]

I don't think you have to worry, they always stick a cutesy, innocent girl to romance in every game. (Liara, Tali, Traynor, Leliana, Merrill, and Josephine.)

Where as ice queens tend to alternate with the Ashley/Cassandra and Isabela/Sera achetypes.

I miss Ashley and Isabela.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

What term would you have used?

 

I don't know, but she is not a femme fatale because she never uses her sexuality in any way to charm or seduce anybody in the game. Nor is she an ice queen because aside from being somewhat cold in the prologue, she instantly turns friendly on board the Normandy aside from after the crew abduction where she gets momentarily angry at Joker.

[Zymandis]

No, that would.. that would upset someone. Can't upset anybody. Can't upset anybody. Can't upset anybody.

[maia0407]

Nope. A femme fatale has to be sexy and seductive. Everyone knows you can't have sexy women in games anymore. It's misogynistic, body shaming, not "realistic" and i'm probably forgetting a few other things that make them "offensive." You just can't get away with characters like Morinth anymore.

Uh, huh. Have you actually listened to what feminists are asking for when portraying women or do you just subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh cliff notes of feminist stereotyping?

As to the op, I hope the writers don't go down a list of 'types' when they create characters; hopefully we'll get great characterization and no objectification of the women.

[prosthetic soul]

Uh, huh. Have you actually listened to what feminists are asking for when portraying women or do you just subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh cliff notes of feminist stereotyping?

As to the op, I hope the writers don't go down a list of 'types' when they create characters; hopefully we'll get great characterization and no objectification of the women.

I don't think anyone actually listens to what feminists are asking for because no one has any ****ing goddamn idea what the hell it is feminists want. 

[sjsharp2011]

I think it'll depend on the story though if it's another trilogytype story then I'd be surprised if one doesn't show up at some point it'll just be a question of when. As to whether we see one in Andromeda is another question. I suspect it largely depends on the story. Although personally I'd love to have a girl on the team like Ashley for example that's not afraid to kick ass.

[The Heretic of Time]

Uh, huh. Have you actually listened to what feminists are asking for when portraying women or do you just subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh cliff notes of feminist stereotyping?

As to the op, I hope the writers don't go down a list of 'types' when they create characters; hopefully we'll get great characterization and no objectification of the women.

 

I've heard enough to know that the feminist slacktivists can't be pleased. The best thing a game developer can do is to just ignore them.

[dreamgazer]

So, you essentially want Black Widow. I can dig that.

Oh, and "femme fatale":



Read up a bit on the archetype and film noir cinema, and think long and hard about whether you really want a femme fatale.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Miranda was in no way a femme fatale or an ice-queen.

Miranda was an ice cream.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Miranda is an ice cream.

 

I actually used "Ice-cream queen" to describe Miranda at times.

[Seboist]

Miranda was an ice cream.

 

Yup, she melts as quickly as Ice Cream placed in the Sahara in ME2.

 

Morinth is actually more of a femme fatale than she is.

[Quarian Master Race]

Uhh, no ME game has included a Femme Fatale squadmate aside from perhaps Morinth. Good thing too, because trying to seduce Reapers probably isn't a good way to go about killing them.

As for intelligent, deadly and attractive, those traits encompass almost every ME female squadmate. I don't know if I understand what you are asking. Miranda and Morrigan are both moral relativists (sort of), so is that what you want?
 

I don't think you have to worry, they always stick a cutesy, innocent girl to romance in every game. (Liara, Tali, Traynor, Leliana, Merrill, and Josephine.)

 

Where as ice queens tend to alternate with the Ashley/Cassandra and Isabela/Sera achetypes.

Your list of cutesy innocent girls includes the Shadow Broker (granted that she doesn't start out that way), a woman we first run into grenading mercs in a dark alley, and a professional spy/ killer. Having a moral compass or possessing empathy doesn't necessarily lump all characters with them into an archetype.

[maia0407]

I don't think anyone actually listens to what feminists are asking for because no one has any ****ing goddamn idea what the hell it is feminists want.

Uh, that's sort of the point. Most of you anti-equality types have no clue what feminists are actually saying because you don't listen. But, hey, keep tilting at your windmills. Meanwhile, the rest of us are moving on, including BW, and becoming more inclusive.