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[WittyUsername]

Everyone should get what they want, right?

I want a sexy Vorcha girl who's tough on the outside, but deep down, she's a really nice girl.

[DaemionMoadrin]

A femme fatale is a stock character of a mysterious and seductive woman whose charms ensnare her lovers, often leading them into compromising, dangerous, and deadly situations. She is an archetype of literature and art. Her ability to entrance and hypnotise her victim with a spell was in the earliest stories seen as being literally supernatural; hence, the femme fatale today is still often described as having a power akin to an enchantress, seductress, vampire, witch, or demon, having power over men.

The phrase is French for "fatal woman". A femme fatale tries to achieve her hidden purpose by using feminine wiles such as beauty, charm, and sexual allure. In some situations, she uses lies or coercion rather than charm. She may also make use of some subduing weapon such as sleeping gas, a modern analog of magical powers in older tales. She may also be (or imply that she is) a victim, caught in a situation from which she cannot escape; The Lady from Shanghai (a 1947 film noir) is one such example.

Although typically villainous, or at least morally ambiguous, and always associated with a sense of mystification and unease, femmes fatales have also appeared as antiheroines in some stories, and some even repent and become true heroines by the end of the tale. Some stories even feature benevolent and heroic femmes fatales who use their wiles to snare the villain for the greater good.

 

 

[sarcasm]Oh yes... that sounds totally like Morrigan or Miranda.[/sarcasm]

 

A femme fatale would make an excellent villain but not a good LI, unless we turn her good with the power of love.

[Broganisity]

To actually discuss, we haven't really had a femme fatale in a Bioware game.

The closest we've had is possibly Morinth, though I would call Morinth more of a sexual Man Eater than an Femme Fatale. The later are moreso spies and long-term manipulators, while the former. . .well, an actual 'man-eater' is an animal that will hunt humans for food thus I would consider a sexual man-eater, in this case, to be Ardt-Yakshi. . .it's sounds better when you think on it rather than simply reading. Yeah.

[The Heretic of Time]

Uh, that's sort of the point. Most of you anti-equality types have no clue what feminists are actually saying because you don't listen. But, hey, keep tilting at your windmills. Meanwhile, the rest of us are moving on, including BW, and becoming more inclusive.

 

The whole "games need to be more inclusive" campaign really needs to stop. Developers should be free to do whatever the hell they want. If a dev like BioWare wants to be more inclusive, then more power to them, but they don't have to be.

 

In fact, a recent study (by a feminist no less) has shown that gamers don't give a jack about "inclusivity", even gamers of color or female gamers just don't care. The only people who seem to care are the tumblr slacktivists and even with them I have my doubts whether they actually genuinely care about inclusivity (most of them are just fishing for brownie-points or trying to show off how "progressive" they are).

[Larry-3]

I don't think anyone actually listens to what feminists are asking for because no one has any ****ing goddamn idea what the hell it is feminists want.

Half of all feminist just start stuff to stay relevant for a few minutes.

[Larry-3]

So, you essentially want Black Widow. I can dig that.

Oh, and "femme fatale":



Read up a bit on the archetype and film noir cinema, and think long and hard about whether you really want a femme fatale.

I would not mind Black Widow.

And if I could have used a better term I would have... I just could not think of a better phrase. The title of this thread is simply because "for lack of a better term". Although, looking back, I probably should have add the phrase, for lack of a better term. Oh well.

[Larry-3]

I think it is really nice when the ice can melt off of a cold hearted girl. But simultaneously, I still have a weakness for vixens.

[Larry-3]

I want a sexy Vorcha girl who's tough on the outside, but deep down, she's a really nice girl.

I get the feeling that BioWare is going to have many DLC request.

[Larry-3]

A femme fatale is a stock character of a mysterious and seductive woman whose charms ensnare her lovers, often leading them into compromising, dangerous, and deadly situations. She is an archetype of literature and art. Her ability to entrance and hypnotise her victim with a spell was in the earliest stories seen as being literally supernatural; hence, the femme fatale today is still often described as having a power akin to an enchantress, seductress, vampire, witch, or demon, having power over men.
The phrase is French for "fatal woman". A femme fatale tries to achieve her hidden purpose by using feminine wiles such as beauty, charm, and sexual allure. In some situations, she uses lies or coercion rather than charm. She may also make use of some subduing weapon such as sleeping gas, a modern analog of magical powers in older tales. She may also be (or imply that she is) a victim, caught in a situation from which she cannot escape; The Lady from Shanghai (a 1947 film noir) is one such example.
Although typically villainous, or at least morally ambiguous, and always associated with a sense of mystification and unease, femmes fatales have also appeared as antiheroines in some stories, and some even repent and become true heroines by the end of the tale. Some stories even feature benevolent and heroic femmes fatales who use their wiles to snare the villain for the greater good.


[sarcasm]Oh yes... that sounds totally like Morrigan or Miranda.[/sarcasm]

A femme fatale would make an excellent villain but not a good LI, unless we turn her good with the power of love.

Yes.(^:

[BronzTrooper]

To actually discuss, we haven't really had a femme fatale in a Bioware game.

The closest we've had is possibly Morinth, though I would call Morinth more of a sexual Man Eater than an Femme Fatale. The later are moreso spies and long-term manipulators, while the former. . .well, an actual 'man-eater' is an animal that will hunt humans for food thus I would consider a sexual man-eater, in this case, to be Ardt-Yakshi. . .it's sounds better when you think on it rather than simply reading. Yeah.

 

tbf, just because she's an Ardat-Yakshi, doesn't mean she's a 'Man-Eater'.  Hell, she preys on anyone that 'interests' her, so she doesn't specifically target humans (iirc).  Besides, there's the Ardat-Yakshi monastery in ME3 and it shows that they don't need to prey on anyone to survive.  It's closer to an addiction than anything, from what Samara says (iirc).

[Asari Goddess]

Yup, she melts as quickly as Ice Cream placed in the Sahara in ME2.

 

Morinth is actually more of a femme fatale than she is.

 

oh yes Morinth was a femme fatale alright, miranda was serious and had lethal skills but didn't have that edge or mystery behind her life Morinth. 

[maia0407]

Half of all feminist just start stuff to stay relevant for a few minutes.

lol, 93.452% of basement dwellers hate on feminists to impress other basement dwellers. True fact!

[Broganisity]

I forget, are we talking about the concept of a femme fatale character in a Bioware game, or are we doing the same internet song and dance (this is well after song and dance mind, but not before soup. You see, even back then, song and dance numbers too an extremely long time and so mankind would often bring their suppers with them to eat while watching, which, at this earliest of times, was still soup. How times change, no? Last time I tried to bring soup to the opera I was thrown out and my soup spilled on my suit and it was raining and they didn't give me back my umbrella and you know how, in the movies, when its raining and you don't have an umbrella and a car drives by through a puddle and you get covered in muddy water and have to keep going? That didn't happen, but there was a mud puddle and I did slip on some noodles and I did fall down which achieved the very same affect but I was always taught to believe that its the journey that matters and not the destination, but we're getting sidetracked now, aren't we?) that happens every other day now?

[The Heretic of Time]

lol, 93.452% of basement dwellers the global population hate on feminists to impress other basement dwellers because they're frikkin' annoying. True fact!

 

Fixed that post for you.

[Broganisity]

tbf, just because she's an Ardat-Yakshi, doesn't mean she's a 'Man-Eater'.  Hell, she preys on anyone that 'interests' her, so she doesn't specifically target humans (iirc).  Besides, there's the Ardat-Yakshi monastery in ME3 and it shows that they don't need to prey on anyone to survive.  It's closer to an addiction than anything, from what Samara says (iirc).

Fair enough on the addiction point, but I would point that I don't mean man-eater just to the point of humans, rather that she just deliberately goes after people for this purpose. Sex is the tool, murder is the drug.

She's border-line on the concept, but I don't think she's quite there.

[Seboist]

Uh, that's sort of the point. Most of you anti-equality types have no clue what feminists are actually saying because you don't listen. But, hey, keep tilting at your windmills. Meanwhile, the rest of us are moving on, including BW, and becoming more inclusive.

 

Feminists can't even agree with each other on what feminism even is, so excuse us if we don't take that silly ideology seriously.

[maia0407]

I forget, are we talking about the concept of a femme fatale character in a Bioware game, or are we doing the same internet song and dance (this is well after song and dance mind, but not before soup. You see, even back then, song and dance numbers too an extremely long time and so mankind would often bring their suppers with them to eat while watching, which, at this earliest of times, was still soup. How times change, no? Last time I tried to bring soup to the opera I was thrown out and my soup spilled on my suit and it was raining and they didn't give me back my umbrella and you know how, in the movies, when its raining and you don't have an umbrella and a car drives by through a puddle and you get covered in muddy water and have to keep going? That didn't happen, but there was a mud puddle and I did slip on some noodles and I did fall down which achieved the very same affect but I was always taught to believe that its the journey that matters and not the destination, but we're getting sidetracked now, aren't we?) that happens every other day now?

I might have more sympathy for your complaint if any one of you guys had called out the first two guys making this thread about misrepresenting feminist opinions. Funny that the scolding doesn't start until someone pushes back against the anti-fem rhetoric. You guys create a culture where slamming women is okay and complain when one speaks up. Clean up your own house or stop complaining when someone takes issue with some of the comments.

[karushna5]

But deadly/tough ladies that are feminine as compared to just tough is what I am guessing you are asking for?

 

So Jack/Sera/cassandra are unfeminine, and Tali/Liara/leliana/Merrill lack that deadly intent aura? (I mean all companions are deadly, but lets face it, compared to each other, some are more so then others)

 

I can understand that.

 

Personally I like deadly characters who aren't all that feminine, like Ashley/Jack/Sera/Cassandra.

 

But... The Heretic of Time and Maia0407 and everyone else kinda refocus, you are gonna get a thread locked because you want to fight each other, why not just PM each other?

[Nomen Mendax]

tbf, just because she's an Ardat-Yakshi, doesn't mean she's a 'Man-Eater'.  Hell, she preys on anyone that 'interests' her, so she doesn't specifically target humans (iirc).  Besides, there's the Ardat-Yakshi monastery in ME3 and it shows that they don't need to prey on anyone to survive.  It's closer to an addiction than anything, from what Samara says (iirc).

Agreed, in human terms Morinth was a rapist and serial killer. It's always a mystery to me why anyone would want her on their crew.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Trying to get the topic back on track. A femme fatale villain if done correctly could be interesting because it could provide the opportunity to have the gender of the player character change what kind of interaction they would have with her and perhaps change how a story mission progresses.

[karushna5]

Agreed, in human terms Morinth was a rapist and serial killer. It's always a mystery to me why anyone would want her on their crew.

 

yeah I got her because I try to make opposite decisions, but they had a lot more morally grey characters. Honestly, I feel Samara is pretty nasty too in regards to morals. To have a code where you do bad things and because it is a code you can get away with it, is pretty annoying. She's like a less aware Judge Dredd. Kill the citizen for jaywalking and running out on the fine type.

 

I was curious whether OP meant Ashley just in ME3 or Ashley in ME1 too?

[Seboist]

Agreed, in human terms Morinth was a rapist and serial killer. It's always a mystery to me why anyone would want her on their crew.

 

She's a more compelling character than her dullard mother and unlike her, doesn't threaten to go after renegadeshep for violating her inconsistent beliefs.

 

Sadly, her implementation is so half-baked that I don't even know why they bothered having her as a squadmate.

[karushna5]

Trying to get the topic back on track. A femme fatale villain if done correctly could be interesting because it could provide the opportunity to have the gender of the player character change what kind of interaction they would have with her and perhaps change how a story mission progresses.

 

okay i love this. I think that's why Morigan's friendship arc is so much fun. A Femme Fatale that is flirtatious and cunning but guarded with guys but relaxed and friendly with ladies would be fun, but she would have to be straight.

[Larry-3]

lol, 93.452% of basement dwellers hate on feminists to impress other basement dwellers. True fact!

Ouch. While I do not hang out in my basement, ouch. I do believe in equal rights. I just think half of all feminist start stuff for no reason other then for attention. Some even complain over stupid stuff. Do not worry, though, Maia0407, I am certain you fall into the better half of feminists.

[maia0407]

Ouch. While I do not hang out in my basement, ouch. I do believe in equal rights. I just think half of all feminist start stuff for no reason other then for attention. Some even complain over stupid stuff. Do not worry, though, Maia0407, I am certain you fall into the better half of feminists.

Lol, charmer! Whelp, I'm defanged with that!

Eta: But, I still disagree with why you think we complain. Most people are responding to problematic content.