Lol, charmer! Whelp, I'm defanged with that!
Eta: But, I still disagree with why you think we complain. Most people are responding to problematic content.
Aka "Muh feelz" were hurt and we must dictate what's acceptable content in fiction like a group of nice little totalitarians.
Aka "Muh feelz" were hurt and we must dictate what's acceptable content in fiction like a group of nice little totalitarians.
That's totally it, dude! Now that you have the feminist agenda figured out for realz, why don't you scurry back to your bros and tell them all about your insights!
Don't feed the trolls. ^^
I play this game as well and don't want resources spent on making women objects to serve men. It alienates me and many others. Video games and other media don't exist in a vacuum; it reflects and normalizes the objectification of women. I want to see realistic portrayals of women. I play biowares games because they are one of the few companies that don't alienate me. They still have problems but are better than most.Some feminists complain about video game characters. I think to myself, really? It is a virtual world. I am trying to live out a fantasy of which would most likely not happen in real life, and feminists are complaining. I want overly sexual bad girls to flirt with me, feed me a sandwich, hold the door open for me, and dress slutty, I want my character to be a hopeless flirt and say things to girls in public while she starts to feel on me. My renegade bar might go up, but I do not mind. Why should feminists care about a video game character, though? It is a fantasy character. If it is too influencing for you girls, have the game company's label the box or something.
Now if it is real life we are talking about, girls should be respected and treated equally. It is only fair.
I play this game as well and don't want resources spent on making women objects to serve men. It alienates me and many others. Video games and other media don't exist in a vacuum; it reflects and normalizes the objectification of women. I want to see realistic portrayals of women. I play biowares games because they are one of the few companies that don't alienate me. They still have problems but are better than most.
Some feminists complain about video game characters. I think to myself, really? It is a virtual world. I am trying to live out a fantasy of which would most likely not happen in real life, and feminists are complaining. I want overly sexual bad girls to flirt with me, feed me a sandwich, hold the door open for me, and dress slutty, I want my character to be a hopeless flirt and say things to girls in public while she starts to feel on me. My renegade bar might go up, but I do not mind. Why should feminists care about a video game character, though? It is a fantasy character. If it is too influencing for you girls, have the game company's label the box or something.
Now if it is real life we are talking about, girls should be respected and treated equally. It is only fair.
Just a take a quick glance at a female game character and your average feminist,and you'll get your answer. It's like comparing a chippendales dancer to your average brony.
I play this game as well and don't want resources spent on making women objects to serve men. It alienates me and many others. Video games and other media don't exist in a vacuum; it reflects and normalizes the objectification of women. I want to see realistic portrayals of women. I play biowares games because they are one of the few companies that don't alienate me. They still have problems but are better than most.
Shouldn't you be more concerned about how videogames normalize violence? There's much more violence in games than "sexism", yet no one seems to be concerned about that.
Could it be because we know that violence in games does not translate to violence in real life? If you agree with that, then why do you have so much trouble agreeing that "sexism" in games does not translate to sexism in real life?
What part of 'videogames are not real' do you and other tumblr feminists not understand?
Meanwhile I'm still on the concept of a 'Femme Fatale' in a Mass Effect Game. . .
Either they are a party member who betrays you at some point after accomplishing their goal, and/or is eventually won over to your side in part because of certain behavior or partaking in a Loyalty Mission. . .
Or they aren't a party member, but a character you initially think is on your side then turns out to be a henchman or even a major villain of the story. . .
Well, yeah, a game full of women like you described would be a game I wouldn't play. Take most comics , for example, including bw's comics. I read a lot and love art but avoid comics like the plague due to how most women are portrayed. I'm too busy roling my eyes at the costumes to relate to any of the women. At any rate, aren't there a lot of games that already play to that fantasy?I guess I cannot live out my fantasy anywhere. :^(
Anyway, you feel alienated? Well now I feel like a horrible person for stating one of my fantasies that you disagree with.
I play this game as well and don't want resources spent on making women objects to serve men. It alienates me and many others. Video games and other media don't exist in a vacuum; it reflects and normalizes the objectification of women. I want to see realistic portrayals of women. I play biowares games because they are one of the few companies that don't alienate me. They still have problems but are better than most.
This is the BSN.
According to the forums half of the companions, both men and women, in the game exist just so we can romance them.
Well, yeah, a game full of women like you described would be a game I wouldn't play. Take most comics , for example, including he's comics. I read a lot and love art but avoid comics like the plague due to how most women are portrayed. I'm too busy roling my eyes at the costumes to relate to any of the women. At any rate, aren't there a lot of games that already play to that fantasy?
And you have every right not to play a game like that. So why not leave it at that? Just don't play the games you don't like and instead play the games you do like? Why do you have to ruin someone else's fun by saying "that's sexist! It needs to be changed!"? Don't you think that's incredibly selfish of you?
Male comicbook heroes have stupid costumes too. I just try to not pay attention to that and enjoy the comics for what they are. Maybe you should do the same.
This is the BSN.
According to the forums half of the companions, both men and women, in the game exist just so we can romance them.
Romance isn't a problem. Attractive characters aren't a problem either. Objectifying characters is the problem.
Lol, all physical sexual attraction is ojektamafacation. What an idiotic term.
Objectifying characters is the problem.
Why?
It's a fictional story! Characters will always be objectified in fiction because guess what? They're all objects of a story! "The hero", "the villain" and "the love interest" are all different forms of objectification and none of them are inherently bad.
Lol, all physical sexual attraction is ojektamafacation. What an idiotic term.
Shouldn't you be more concerned about how videogames normalize violence? There's much more violence in games than "sexism", yet no one seems to be concerned about that.
Could it be because we know that violence in games does not translate to violence in real life? If you agree with that, then why do you have so much trouble agreeing that "sexism" in games does not translate to sexism in real life?
What part of 'videogames are not real' do you and other tumblr feminists not understand?
A couple of reasons off the top of my head:
1. Objectification is more avoidable than violence. Unlike objectification, there are actual design reasons favoring violence as a game mechanic (TL;DR version; video games are by and large spatial simulations, and it's much easier to represent a gunfight in space than even a simple conversation).
2. The entry barrier for sexism is a lot lower than it is for violence. When you engage in violent activity in real life, you incur a substantial risk of repercussions onto yourself; this risk is enough to prevent most people from beating the crap out of each other. By contrast, it's a lot easier to get away with sexism. Heck a lot of racism and sexism occurs at a subconscious level, as the growing literature on implicit bias will attest to.
Having said that, the real world consequences of racist and sexist tropes were never the most important part of that conversation for me. Even if I could prove that horribly written video game dialogue has no negative effects on verbal intelligence, or that that notorious episode of Law and Order: SVU had no negative impact on the general perception of gamers, that wouldn't thereby immunize such works from criticism. Rather, it seems that these are just bad artistic choices independently of the social consequences, and perhaps we can say the same about the inclusion of objectifying imagery when it isn't story or theme-appropriate as well.
EDIT: Fixed typo.
I'm not even remotely concerned about the actual argument here (On Topic: I'm meh on the idea in the OP. We've had that type of gal as a squaddie already. I'm ready for something new, but I wouldn't be upset if we got another one).
But I would like to point out that this argument about feminism was started not by a feminist, but someone mocking feminism. Once again, the whole debacle comes from the group mocking feminists, not actual feminists themselves. Sure, some have joined in since, but it was a totally uncalled for pot-shot that lead to this whole thing.....again. BSN is really tired and predictable.
I just wanted to point it out since there's a whole misconception that feminists are running into threads and derailing them, when it's often the other way around. Like this one.
Uh, no it's not. Don't wallow in ignorance. Try to understand the 'stoopid' term before you make false assertions.
I know the stoopid term, much like "sexualization", is just code for "what men like". If someone is too insecure and offended to see that men want slender and attractive women both IRL and in fiction, well, that's their own personal problem.
A couple of reasons off the top of my head:
1. Objectification is more avoidable than violence. Unlike objectification, there are actual design reasons favoring violence as a game mechanic (TL;DR version; video games are by and large spatial simulations, and it's much easier to represent a gunfight in space than even a simple conversation).
2. The entry barrier for sexism is a lot lower than it is for violence. When you engage in violent activity in real life, you incur a substantial risk of repercussions onto yourself; this risk is enough to prevent most people from beating the crap out of each other. By contrast, it's a lot easier to get away with sexism. Heck a lot of racism and sexism occurs at a subconscious level, as the growing literature on implicit bias will attest to.
Having said that, the real world consequences of racist and sexist tropes were never the most important part of that conversation for me. Even if I could prove that horribly written video game dialogue has no negative effects on verbal intelligence, or that that notorious episode of Law and Order: SVU had no negative impact on the general perception of gamers, that wouldn't thereby immunize such works from criticism. Rather, it seems that these are just bad artistic choices independently of the social consequences, and perhaps we can say the same about the inclusion of objectifying imagery when it isn't story or theme-appropriate as well.
EDIT: Fixed typo.
1. That's a complete cop-out. Videogames don't have to contain violence any more than they have to contain "sexism". Game designers just choose to put violence in their games because it's the easiest way to add conflict to your game and it sells well.
2. So that's why violence and murder is much more occurrent and a much bigger problem in our western society than rape? Okay buddy.
You can criticize whatever you want but you overstep your boundaries when you start to demand change. Game devs can do whatever the heck the want and if you don't like it, vote with your wallet, write an angry tumblr post if you want but leave it at that. You have no right to tell game devs what they can or cannot make.
I'm not even remotely concerned about the actual argument here (OT: I'm meh on the idea in the OP. We've had that type of gal as a squaddie already. I'm ready for something new, but I wouldn't be upset if we got another one).
But I would like to point out that this argument about feminism was started not by a feminist, but someone mocking feminism. Once again, the whole debacle comes from the group mocking feminists, not actual feminists themselves. Sure, some have joined in since, but it was a totally uncalled for pot-shot that lead to this whole thing.....again. BSN is really tired and predictable.
I just wanted to point it out since there's a whole misconception that feminists are running into threads and derailing them, when it's often the other way around. Like this one.
It comes from both sides.
Both will take unnecessary shots at the other side, and the other side just can't help but to respond and turn it into a big deal.
It's the same as the whole "MP Players" vs "SP Players" thing. People are just really easy to get riled up on the internet.
New plan, BioWare. Give us some female characters to appeal to feminists, and give some female characters to appeal to the horny gamer geeks.
Just make sure you put in a vixen, though. I am so bored with stories about innocent girls, traditional girls, and tomboy girls. Where is the attractive bitches/vixens at?
Try DOA, Christie is one of my favorite bad bitches in gaming and a proper femme fetale.
She's also one of the very few dames in fiction or IRL that can rock a short hairstyle without looking androgynous or butch(girl game recognized).
It comes from both sides.
Both will take unnecessary shots at the other side, and the other side just can't help but to respond and turn it into a big deal.
It's the same as the whole "MP Players" vs "SP Players" thing. People are just really easy to get riled up on the internet.
Oh for sure. There are a bunch of posters who legitimately try to rile up people from both sides. I just wanted to point out that this one, like many others, came from the 'not-feminist' side. Because I'm sure it will be used as ammunition in a different thread, claiming that feminists swooped in declaring that femme fatales are 'bad'.
An interstellar worm that walks along the lines of Ygramul would be wonderful to encounter in ME:A.
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