Do you know what happened the last time a thread was started to discuss these issues that you agree are important? People whined and said there was already a thread for this topic, reported the thread until it was shut as a duplicate and the mod redirected people to the other thread. But the other thread is actually hostile to fems as well and the op, a guy, posts rules that 'no feminist crap' is allowed. His toadies agree and tell you to start another thread. So, I just call out problems when I see them and get dog piled on (which I expect, btw).
So here we are with the conversation being shut down at every opportunity and even the 'liberal feminists' on this forum cozy up to some of the worst anti fem guys with praise and likes. Many of you are quick to call out another feminist and don't have a word to say about the more extreme posts from the anti-fem crowd. Again, fine. But just realize that you are just as guilty of shutting down the conversation.
I sympathize with you. The thing is, Natashina didn't shut you down at all, she only asked that people stay on topic, which is a sensible thing to do.
Do you truly believe a discussion with some misogynistic trolls is going to result in anything positive? There's a time and a place for everything.
Your problem is that you see everything in black and white, people are either with you or against you. You also try to apply feminism to every little thing, even when it's not appropriate or when there are more important factors in play. You are tending to be more on the extreme side of arguments, too.
The thread was rather interesting and there was a lot to discuss but it went off the tracks the moment you reacted to a (stupid) comment someone made. And you didn't stop there, you snatched up every little bit of bait that was laid out for you over the past 5 pages. There are two ways to play this: Either you ignore the comments completely (but then you would have nothing to contribute to this thread) or you keep your cool and respond strictly with facts and wait for the trolls to overcommit, then use it against them. They usually shut up and leave threads once it becomes clear that they are trolling and the more often this happens, the more people realize what they are and avoid them.
What you did here didn't help feminism, it didn't help you and it sure as hell didn't help the discussion in the thread.
I'm not blaming you alone, you are as much victim as perpetrator here. This isn't the first time you turned a thread into a huge discussion about feminism, objectification etc. While I basically agree with the underlying thoughts of feminism, I find you too confrontational. Nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't work in this environment.
My best friend often tells me, "You can be 100% right and it still won't change anything." when I get into these kinds of arguments. So trust me, I am pretty sure I know how you feel. I have the impression that you'd be fun to talk with in another setting (dinner at my place, I cook for you?^^) but in here you have to deal with several people at once, all aligning their positions against you and reinforcing each other... which then frustrates you and leads you to sarcastic/insulting counterarguments.
This isn't meant as an attack on you. Perhaps it would be best to create your own thread about the (lack of) feminism in gaming?
@Yaroub & Malanek: I seriously don't know what to tell you, from my point of view it is crystal clear that no BioWare game ever had a character that fits the femme fatale description and if you interpret it differently than the majority in this thread, then I guess we will just have to disagree on that. *shrug* But if you think you already had two of them, then couldn't you just let the rest of us lobby for a true femme fatale as we see her?
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