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[N7Jamaican]

I've seen countless. They are absolutely necessary. There's science backing that up.

 

LOL!

[Grieving Natashina]

I played the game. Never finished it. My favorite part about it was the music especially having Ozzy in the game. LETS GO CRAZY

 

 

I have to say soldiers, including me, got the best that would make anyone crap their pants when it comes to harsh, extremely harsh language. 

I put a frustrated engineer on that list as well.  It doesn't matter what kind of engineer they are, when they get frustrated, even George Carlin would have given them a double take.  I had no idea until I starting getting to know various engineers.  Holy cow...

 

In any case, I think I'll bow out here.  There is a lot of very opposing opinions, and I hope this thread doesn't go down in flames.  This argument is already getting pretty circular.  I think even if it was financially feasible to do all of these filters, BioWare developers have stated time and time again that they don't think toggles/filters are a good way to approach content that makes some people uncomfortable.

 

To the OP: Good luck with your thread.  Ignore the flames and keep a cool head.  Remember that even if folks like me are opposed to the suggestions in your first post, not all of those that disagree are looking down upon you for asking.  Also, you do have supporters.  Some of them are people I really respect and like, despite some different viewpoints (waves hi to Daisy.)  I hope you find what you're looking for in a BioWare game. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've seen countless. They are absolutely necessary. There's science backing that up.

Please, give examples of times it was absolutely necessary. 

[AresKeith]

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It really is the easiest way to express things 

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[KaiserShep]

It really is the easiest way to express things 

 

And it can feel like a release when something painful happens. If i stub my toe against something in the dark or step on the dreaded 1x1 lego brick, I'm just gonna blurt out whatever word best suits the crappy feeling.

[Suketchi]

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That comment is both classist and condescending. Whether you swear or not is entirely dependent on upbringing and environment. I've got family with money (yuppie), and family without money (ghetto). Want to guess which ones cuss? Unless you're trying to 'move up in the world' (for lack of a better term), you're going to cuss if you grew up in the ghetto. Intelligence and maturity have nothing to do with it.

 

Besides, I'm pretty sure humanity has always cussed. That doesn't change just because we can fly through space. 

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[Il Divo]

That comment is both classist and condescending. Whether you swear or not is entirely dependent on upbringing and environment. I've got family with money (yuppie), and family without money (ghetto). Want to guess which ones cuss? Unless you're trying to 'move up in the world' (for lack of a better term), you're going to cuss if you grew up in the ghetto. Intelligence and maturity have nothing to do with it.

 

Besides, I'm pretty sure humanity has always cussed. That doesn't change just because we can fly through space. 

 

Not to mention, when dealing with genocidal giant space ships, I can't say I mind an F-bomb or two being dropped. I think that's a pretty believable response in that context. 

[Former_Fiend]

That comment is both classist and condescending. Whether you swear or not is entirely dependent on upbringing and environment. I've got family with money (yuppie), and family without money (ghetto). Want to guess which ones cuss? Unless you're trying to 'move up in the world' (for lack of a better term), you're going to cuss if you grew up in the ghetto. Intelligence and maturity have nothing to do with it.

 

Besides, I'm pretty sure humanity has always cussed. That doesn't change just because we can fly through space. 

 

In many regards modern cursewords are the result of classism. 

 

In medieval England, the Norman upper class spoke a language based on French and Latin while the Saxon lower class spoke germanic old english. So the Latin based "defecate" became socially acceptable while the germanic based "sh*t" became seen as uncouth.

 

So a lot of swear words are only swear words because some jackasses liked to look down on people a thousand years ago.

[LinksOcarina]

Jack's entire character arc, for starters. That character does not work without the cluster f-bombs she drops that fade off later in her character development. Cassandra's "bullsh*t!" in her first meeting with Varric; there's nothing else that could have summed up her reaction to his tall tales that eloquently. 

 

I could go on, but those are just two particularly relevant ones off the top of my head.

 

 

See, this is the thing. If it's optional, does it affect you?

[N7Jamaican]

Tired of Jack and her foul mouth? Don't talk to her. SImple.

[Former_Fiend]

See, this the thing. If it's optional, does it affect you?

 

Does it affect me, personally? No.

 

Does it affect the story Bioware is trying to tell? Potentially. And that could be reason enough for them not to include the option. 

[elrofrost]

Calling it a "baby" filter is a little harsh, don't you think?  I mean, I'm not a fan of the idea either, but that was uncalled for.  

You are correct. Calling it a "baby filter" was a bit overboard. I apologize

 

Thank you.. 

[LinksOcarina]

Does it affect me, personally? No.

 

Does it affect the story Bioware is trying to tell? Potentially. And that could be reason enough for them not to include the option. 

 

I disagree. People presume BioWare would change things up just to appease people. All it would be is a bleep more than likely because it easier than recording dialogue.

 

This is assuming the option even exists, and that the authorial intent of BioWare is to walk on eggshells because such an option is at their disposal. If anything, the scene with Jack, for example, would be censored and for people who don't want to hear it, it's a bleep. It can change their scene for them, but if you don't see it, it doesn't matter, your version of the story, where you hear Jack say ****, is unchanged. 

 

I guess I am perplexed...how does this really change the story? Does it make BIoWare pull their punches? If thats the case, then they can do that without the option and just make the game less mature that way if they really wanted to. Chances are if dialogue is already recorded they won't re-do a line to make it clean.

[KaiserShep]

You are correct. Calling it a "baby filter" was a bit overboard. I apologize

 

Thank you.. 

 

But what if you're filtering it away from actual babies? 

 

 

[elrofrost]

Mass Effect takes place in the future; you think humanity would be a little more mature. At least when speaking.

 

Actually languages are merging and dumping down. Look at American English. Hell, look at the common English spoken in the UK (not the official Queens English) and compare both to say 50 years ago. Or common French. Or Spanish.

I'm convinced in 100 years we're all be close to: "ME19 doupleplusgood and sold manyplenty"

[old_dawn]

Yea I always use the Michael bay transformer movies as a example cause it's like this...
Almost everyone agree that the robot fights awe sum but the movie would be batter if they cover up some thin likes:
Megan fox
All the other sexualised women
No cussin
No weird robots with big teeth and balls
And a lot more

If these things had not Ben in the movies then more would've like them. I think.

So when I see Megan fox I just close my eyes, mute the sound, and count to ten. Same for mass effect, when I see the Hannar I just leave or if I don't wanna see a gorey scene I just choose the paragon path. Let the renegade choose the blood path. I hope this makes sense

[dreamgazer]

Please, give examples of times it was absolutely necessary.

Well, what's your definition of necessary? Because profanity can completely change the tone and energy of a scene. Ever seen Full Metal Jacket, Glengarry Glen Ross, or Pulp Fiction? Or, hell, Gone With the Wind?

[AresKeith]

I wanna hear someone say the word meecrob

[Oldren Shepard]

" Strangers don't have to understand my reasons for them to be valid." That's a very very dangerous way of thinking.

[KaiserShep]

Mr. Falcon. That's awesomely terrible. 

[Former_Fiend]

The worst/best part about it is that there is no one in the movie named Mr. Falcon.. They had to add it in the edit to be the character's code name.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Necessity isn't important. What's important is that few words can express such a wide variety of emotions as efficiently.

 

If I want to express my disgust with someone's actions, or with that person in general, my go-to is "Motherf**ker" in dragged out syllables. It's a quick and easy way to announce that someone's officially been added to the sh*t list. There's a certain severity to a lot of it that just can't really be expressed in "kinder" language. If I think someone's a piece of sh**, I'm going to just say "You're a piece of sh**". No use beating around the bush trying to tidy up my disapproval. 

But there are other words that do. They may be few, but they still exist and thus the swear words are not needed. 

 

Jack's entire character arc, for starters. That character does not work without the cluster f-bombs she drops that fade off later in her character development. Cassandra's "bullsh*t!" in her first meeting with Varric; there's nothing else that could have summed up her reaction to his tall tales that eloquently. 

 

I could go on, but those are just two particularly relevant ones off the top of my head.

 

That being said, I'm sure you're going to disagree with me on both of those and anything else I can cite. I respect that about you, Daisy. I don't like you much at all, but I do respect you because of your conviction in your beliefs and opinions and your refusal to apologize for those opinions. 

 

You and I may be diametrically opposed in our opinions on just about everything, but we're alike in that regard. 

Thank you for the respect though. The feeling is mutual, minus the "don't like you much at all" at bit.

 

But yeah, I disagree with both of those examples. Jack's character would have worked just as well without the swearing and Cassandra could have said any number of non-swears with equal results. 

 

Well, what's your definition of necessary? Because profanity can completely change the tone and energy of a scene. Ever seen Full Metal Jacket, Glengarry Glen Ross, or Pulp Fiction? Or, hell, Gone With the Wind?

In this case, something that is absolutely needed. 

Yes, I have seen those movies. Or at least parts of them.

[dreamgazer]

I'm still trying to figure out what a "monkey-fighting snake" is.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm still trying to figure out what a "monkey-fighting snake" is.

A snake that fights monkeys obviously. 

[dreamgazer]

In this case, something that is absolutely needed. 
Yes, I have seen those movies. Or at least parts of them.

And you feel the material would have been unaltered without the profanity?