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[NM_Che56]

If it's rated M, then you have your warning.  

[NM_Che56]

Stick to Lego games.

[Elhanan]

This argument right here goes to the heart of why the OP's request is actually silly and should never be given serious consideration. I'm now repeating myself when I say that everything in a game, movie or book translates directly to the player or viewer, and that includes violence. It's not some totally separate thing that exists on another plane of thought. This is, after all, a visual medium. The imagery counts every bit as much as the spoken or written language does. It doesn't matter one iota that the characters being killed, tortured or raped are fictional. 
 
Let's say you have a game where you just gun down innocent people for no good reason at all, like Hatred. For sake of argument, let's say that said game has absolutely no harsh language whatsoever, the only spoken lines being random NPC's begging for mercy as you shove the barrel of a shotgun in their mouths. Why would this be a lesser offender than, say, Mass Effect 2? 
 
The only thing that makes a difference is how sensitive certain people are to certain things. Some people who don't mind harsh language might actually have some squick about intense violence, and see violence as being immensely worse, because one is just words, while the other is a representation of the worst things people can do to each other.

Then all should cease to play immediately, and Bioware should return to making medical software. However, as there is no direct causal evidence to support such a claim, I shall be content to ask for language filter. Thanks for the genuine concern....

[Elhanan]

Stick to Lego games.

That would be Lincoln Logs; it still uses sticks. Now I have to go back to the adult table for dinner, but will return soon.

[KaiserShep]

Then all should cease to play immediately, and Bioware should return to making medical software. However, as there is no direct causal evidence to support such a claim, I shall be content to ask for language filter. Thanks for the genuine concern....

It seems as though you ignored my point entirely, but then also stay purposely vague in saying that there is no evidence to support "such a claim", despite my comment actually having multiple claims in it.

 

Whatevs. I guess I should just let this carousel of goofy logic spin without me. 

[Elhanan]

^This^ quit ignoring post to keep your own selfish ideas going through this thread.

And yet, some are currently interested in language filters for Kindle books; read about this while looking more into this matter.

[Monica21]

And yet, some are currently interested in language filters for Kindle books; read about this while looking more into this matter.

 

And those are third-party apps. Harper Collins will not release a new "filtered" title. What you're talking about is the equivalent of modding the game to remove content you find offensive. Feel free to do so and post it on Nexus.

[Fandango]

^This^ quit ignoring post to keep your own selfish ideas going through this thread.

Aye, all that Elhanan is asking for at this point is for BioWare to roll out a toggle that turns ME:A into a bespoke game of his very own.

He's not going to budge, but - on the bright side - he's not going to get what he wants either. Best leave him to it.

[Elhanan]

Aye, all that Elhanan is asking for at this point is for BioWare to roll out a toggle that turns ME:A into a bespoke game of his very own.

He's not going to budge but - on the bright side - he's not going to get what he wants either. Best leave him to it.

If it can be done for ME:A, then that would be great. But most likely at this stage, that would be a problem. However, if they begin research and study on this feature now, it could be ready for future titles.

Folks keep trying to speak for me, and continue to fail. Hard to believe they enjoy following my posts so frequently....

[Fandango]

If it can be done for ME:A, then that would be great. But most likely at this stage, that would be a problem. However, if they begin research and study on this feature now, it could be ready for future titles.

Folks keep trying to speak for me, and continue to fail. Hard to believe they enjoy following my posts so frequently....

And again, 100 pages in and all I've seen you do is ask Bioware to research the viability of developing a toggle that turns ME:A into a bespoke game of your very own.

[Monica21]

Since the mods have apparently filtered every iteration of the F word except for the one I used (which is actually a book quote), here we go again. (And thanks for the warning point when you can use your own filtering system. You guys are absolutely the worst moderators.)

 

er... Cerberus troops are also fictional. Reality check to aisle 5

 

Fictional killing and pixelated nudity, but language translates directly to the Player. Same offensive remarks used on both side of the screen.

As for killing, it does not appear to be too harsh, as this argument has been used by those supporting it and profanity for a long, long time. If it is harsh, perhaps I am not as desensitized as the rest of The Order.

 

It's all fictional content. It's not different because you hear it versus seeing it. You don't get to cherry pick.

 

I'm a librarian and have come across many items that I find objectionable. I read the first few paragraphs of 50 Shades and decided the writing was terrible, so I didn't read any more of it. A co-worker starting to read The Martian and put it down after five pages because she didn't like the protagonist's multiple use of the F word, which also appears in the first sentence of the book. She returned the book. But what she didn't and should not have done was demand that the author write a sanitized version just for her.

 

 

And yet, some are currently interested in language filters for Kindle books; read about this while looking more into this matter.

 

Seriously, some of these app descriptions are comedy gold.

 

PureMedia from Salt Lake City (natch) claims this:

"PureMedia Software, a company focused on delivering family friendly solutions for popular media content, announced today the launch of its Kickstarter crowdfunding project for the PureMedia Reader. The company claims this app will allow users to "Hide vulgar language, sexual content, violence, and other types of offensive content."

 

"Today, there are many popular books that I or my family would like to read but choose not to because of our values," said company founder Jared Hicken. "At the same time, I understand and respect an author’s prerogative to write their books the way they think best tells the story. Our goal in designing the PureMedia Reader was to bridge the gap between good stories and family standards."

 

And then there's the Clean Reader app:

"A newly released app promises to let readers “read books, not profanity,” by blocking out offensive words. Clean Reader, available for iOS and Android devices, is an ebook/ereading platform that can cover up profanity, references to anatomical features or deities or other language deemed offensive from titles available through an online book store.

 

Clean Reader users can choose how they’d like their reading material to be altered. The filter, represented by a small broom, can be set to “off,” “clean,” “cleaner,” or “squeaky clean.”  Some are questioning whether this compromises the integrity of authors’ works."

 

I like the last sentence. YOU DON'T SAY?

[Iakus]

Whose vision is it then? It's certainly not mine nor a majority of the people replying to this thread. Based on dev response it's not their vision. So yeah, OP (who's stopped posting), Elhanan, you, and one other person are in favor of this. As I've said before, perhaps Skyrim is better suited to you. Or a Lego game.

 

So having opinions is fine as long as its the right opinions?  As long as you go along with the majority?  But don't you dare ask for anything different?  Then your trying to force your vision (Like making Garrus and Tali LIs was forced upon Bioware?)

 

I don't think a language filter is practical, But you know what Elhanan has every right to request one.  He's got as much right to be heard as anyone else here.  Without insults and name calling from you.

 

I mean seriously,  Lego games? Really?

[Iakus]

I just wonder what the box label is going to be IF they decide to cater to these people.
"Rated M slash T" ? How's that going to look like? There's going to be pretty much 2 different ratings in one game if all those demands are catered to. I mean... non-lethal guns on a mature rated shooter game? No cussing? C'mon.

I guess I'm just biased. I just don't like people trying to mess up with my games. As it is, it's just as unforgivable as asking a T or lower rated game to have optional nudity, strong language etc.

WEll, given DAO was rated M even with a gore toggle and underwear sex, I'm guessing it would still be an M rated game...

[Monica21]

So having opinions is fine as long as its the right opinions?  As long as you go along with the majority?  But don't you dare ask for anything different?  Then your trying to force your vision (Like making Garrus and Tali LIs was forced upon Bioware?)

 

I don't think a language filter is practical, But you know what Elhanan has every right to request one.  He's got as much right to be heard as anyone else here.  Without insults and name calling from you.

 

I mean seriously,  Lego games? Really?

 

You know what he's not saying? He's not saying "Oh hey. This would be a nice feature." He's saying that he was raised right and that he respects his parents and is entitled to a game that meets his wishes. Except he's not.

 

And yes, Lego games. If you don't want nudity, violence (two things he's apparently fine with) or bad language, then go play children's games. If don't know what you're getting when you buy a game that's rated M then you have a strange idea of what the world owes you.

[Iakus]

You know what he's not saying? He's not saying "Oh hey. This would be a nice feature." He's saying that he was raised right and that he respects his parents and is entitled to a game that meets his wishes. Except he's not.

Maybe I haven't been following this as closely as you have, but nowhere have I seen anyone who's for a filter say they're entitled to it.  Just that they would like it?  If I'm wrong, please show me the quote.

 

I've also seen people asking to play a nonhuman in MEA, are they saying they're "entitled" to that?  Are people saying they're entitled to see Cerberus in Andromeda too? How about Protheans?  THese are all things people are sating they'd like to see in MEA?  ARe they being demanding and "entitled" too?

 

 

And yes, Lego games. If you don't want nudity, violence (two things he's apparently fine with) or bad language, then go play children's games. If don't know what you're getting when you buy a game that's rated M then you have a strange idea of what the world owes you.

  It's not about what the world "owes" you.  It's about what you'd like to see in future games.

[rashie]

Fictional killing and pixelated nudity, but language translates directly to the Player. Same offensive remarks used on both side of the screen.

As for killing, it does not appear to be too harsh, as this argument has been used by those supporting it and profanity for a long, long time. If it is harsh, perhaps I am not as desensitized as the rest of The Order.

Tell me, what is the difference to the player between visuals and audio bar what bodily organ you use to receive them?

[Elhanan]

Prefer to choose my own standards as to what I find objectionable and unwanted; not some random librarian. Here I can choose the Ignore function; in games, I request a filter.

And if could mod games, would be doing that. However, kinda thought it would be better to ask the Techies and professionals to look into the matter on their own.

[Monica21]

Maybe I haven't been following this as closely as you have, but nowhere have I seen anyone who's for a filter say they're entitled to it.  Just that they would like it?  If I'm wrong, please show me the quote.

 

I've also seen people asking to play a nonhuman in MEA, are they saying they're "entitled" to that?  Are people saying they're entitled to see Cerberus in Andromeda too? How about Protheans?  THese are all things people are sating they'd like to see in MEA?  ARe they being demanding and "entitled" too?

 

  It's not about what the world "owes" you.  It's about what you'd like to see in future games.

 

His argument is "I am opposed to foul language so Bioware should implement a toggle so that I don't have to hear it." Unless you'd like to restate it?

 

 

Prefer to choose my own standards as to what I find objectionable and unwanted; not some random librarian. here I can choose the Ignore function; in games, I request a filter.

And if could mod games, would be doing that. However, kinda thought it would be better to ask the Techies and professionals to look into the matter on their own.

 

Pfft... excuse you. I'm not just some "random librarian." I'm a freaking awesome librarian. And edit: You want a toggle but you want to choose your own standards. What if what someone doesn't like is the violence? Even a lowered gore setting that lacks exploding heads is still killing someone. (That "someone" being pixelated but still.) Why are your standards what any of us should care about?

 

And you clearly missed my point. My point is about what you can choose to do and not do for entertainment. Whether you're reading a book or playing a video game, if the language (or gore or nudity) is hindering your ability to enjoy the medium, then stop reading/playing that medium.

 

So you want this thing that's technically very complex and not worth the man hours but aren't willing to give it a shot yourself first to see if it can even be modded? Hah! Nah. See, I think if you tried to mod it, you'd realize how very complicated the very thing that you're asking for is to accomplish.

[Iakus]

Prefer to choose my own standards as to what I find objectionable and unwanted; not some random librarian. Here I can choose the Ignore function; in games, I request a filter.
 

DOn't worry about it.  Just so happens I am also a librarian.  

[Iakus]

His argument is "I am opposed to foul language so Bioware should implement a toggle so that I don't have to hear it." Unless you'd like to restate it?

 

Is that a direct quote?  Or should we let Elhanan phrase what he wants/demands/requests exactly himself so everyone's on the same page?

 

 

: You want a toggle but you want to choose your own standards. What if what someone doesn't like is the violence? Even a lowered gore setting that lacks exploding heads is still killing someone. (That "someone" being pixelated but still.) Why are your standards what any of us should care about?

IF that person really doesn't like the violence level, then they should be free to say so and let the devs figure out for themselves if such a change is warranted.

 

I (and others) complained in DA2 about the silly Ludicrous Gibs enemies could explode into from seemingly minor hits like a shield bash, for example.

[Il Divo]

And those are third-party apps. Harper Collins will not release a new "filtered" title. What you're talking about is the equivalent of modding the game to remove content you find offensive. Feel free to do so and post it on Nexus.

 

Honestly, that really might not be that bad as a thought experiment. We'd just have to find someone with the relevant modding experience/free time to want to do it. ​

[Monica21]

Is that a direct quote?  Or should we let Elhanan phrase what he wants/demands/requests exactly himself so everyone's on the same page?

 

IF that person really doesn't like the violence level, then they should be free to say so and let the devs figure out for themselves if such a change is warranted.

 

I (and others) complained in DA2 about the silly Ludicrous Gibs enemies could explode into from seemingly minor hits like a shield bash, for example.

 

That request has been stated and the dev has responded. So you guys are done then?

[Monica21]

Honestly, that really might not be that bad as a thought experiment. We'd just have to find someone with the relevant modding experience/free time to want to do it. ​

 

Agreed, but the guy who wants it isn't willing to do it himself, which makes this more difficult.

[Monica21]

DOn't worry about it.  Just so happens I am also a librarian.  

 

So what do you do when you come across objectionable content then?

[Iakus]

What was it you were saying about name-calling, Iakus?

 

Hey you called yourself awesome first 

That request has been stated and the dev has responded. So you guys are done then?

Why?  Even if it can't be done atm, it's still a feature some people would like to see in the future.