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[MercilessToaster]

A hole in the bed sheet works well, or so I've been told.

[Kmaru]

I'm so confused right now. I have a question : why in the sake of peace, a "prude", "sensitive"... person would buy a game rated M (nudity, strong language, gore...) ?

 

It's like :  buying a porn movie and saying, the story of the movie is great it's why i'm bying it, but i do not wanna see the sex scene and nudity in it.

or bying a horror movie, and : same scenario, asking if they could be a sanitized blood free version.

 

Where are we going. If ME is not a product that answer our standard, let just ignore it. They are plenty of game out there of all kind, or simillar. We as gamers and customers have been given the choice. Why would i eat fish if i don't like it and ask the shop if they could transform it, and make it taste like potatoes?

 

I'm very confuse right now.

 

Plus in anycase in BW games, except for the violance and the strong language we were forced to suffer nudity. 

About the strong language it's something different, in real life we don't have that option either to put filters on everybodie's mouth.

About the gore aspect it's a different story.

 

But yet again, the "M" means everything.

[BioWareMod01]

Hello everyone. Please keep it on topic and civil in here. Thank you.

[Monica21]

Hello everyone. Please keep it on topic and civil in here. Thank you.

 

  Uggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

At this point it seems to be less about convincing devs and more about keeping from being shouted down by all the naysayers.

 

A thread whose thesis is supported by a handful of people that has reached over 100 pages? That's what you consider being "shouted down?" 

[chessplayer209]

Mass Effect should never shy away from controversy by taking out the sexual content! I actually only tried the game in the first place because Fox News criticized the nudity =p. Then after I tried it, I realized I really liked it for the story.   I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware made a lot of money from Fox News criticizing the nudity in ME1.

 

If anything, future Mass Effect installments should embrace the "M" rating more fully with increasingly more controversial content.

[Lady Luminous]

Uggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

they're apparently watching the thread very closely. What happened this time?

[Iakus]

To be fair, so far the request is, "Because I want it" without any other reasoning. It doesn't fit the theme of the franchise. People who consent to sex rarely, if ever, have sex with their underwear on. Soldiers in combat (as has been clarified in a previous post) often use profanity. Soldiers in combat generally are required to kill. It's not just that it seems technically difficult, it's that it's unreasonable because it doesn't fit within the themes of the universe as presented.

If you can give me a reason to implement such an expensive toggle that doesn't involve personal taste, then I'll listen. As it is, yes, I'll continue to recommend people play other games as the theme of Mass Effect clearly does not fit with what they want as part of their entertainment options.

"Because I want it" is pretty much the reason for any request.  OTherwise why would there be a request?

 

And what is the "theme" of the franchise?  Sex and violence?  I'd like to think there's more to it than that.

 

Nobody is requesting underwear sex.  While the subject has come up  on nonlethal combat, the general thrust of the request so far has been to simply tone down on the gore and keep the violence shown from going over the top.

 

ANd yes, a certain amount of language is reasonable and to be expected.  But not everyone wants to play as R Lee Ermey (or drag him around as a companion for that matter)

 

Even if a toggle is unworkable, I think it's important that the devs know there are fans (yes, fans) who feel this way, and hopefully they will be mindful of such when it comes to making future games

[Iakus]

A thread whose thesis is supported by a handful of people that has reached over 100 pages? That's what you consider being "shouted down?" 

No I consider "Go away and play some other game" by fellow posters as "shouting down"

[Monica21]

No I consider "Go away and play some other game" by fellow posters as "shouting down"

 

That's not what we're saying. We're saying that if the game doesn't suit you, then that's when you have to decide if it's worth playing. If it's worth playing even with the language, violence, and underwear sex, then stop complaining.

[rashie]

they're apparently watching the thread very closely. What happened this time?

It wandered into a topic about sex outside the scope of bioware rpg's, which is largely irrelevant to what this thread is about, and thus got removed as far as I can tell.

[Mercyva]

This is my 1st comment on the forum, of well... regarding the topic, i do believe that people have opinion, so i wont disregard yours, i think the games bioware create are SO complicated! if they also have to worry about adding explicit and non explicit content to every romance option, they would never finish the game on top of many important things, but in my personal opinion i think all the explicit content are done tastefully in ME regardless, because romance is a natural thing if you are in a committed relationship! plus you have the option to not have a romance option at all.. i think it adds a realistic view, because if you are IN LOVE with someone, and you are about to maybe die, its not realistic to just shake hands with the person you love. personally i dont mind the explicit content, because bioware does it tastefully. and ONLY when ''its time'' to.. not every 30 seconds, it make the whole scene more beautiful and romantic and breathtaking if i say so... personally i romanced liara since ME1, up untill ME3... and that last scene with her, ''There Is No Place I'd Rather Be'' was just beautiful. i would never done it differently, plus i would do the same thing if i were shepard, not knowing what would happen, i would not leave a person i loved as much shepard loved liara, just like that. our last moment should be special. that maybe was long and not important, but just thought of sharing my opinion

[chessplayer209]

On a related note, I've always felt like the Mass Effect universe would be more realistic if there were prostitutes in it like we have in GTA.

[Iakus]

That's not what we're saying. We're saying that if the game doesn't suit you, then that's when you have to decide if it's worth playing. If it's worth playing even with the language, violence, and underwear sex, then stop complaining.

And if it's worth playing but we think it could be better?

 

Or if we see a trend in the series and we don't like where it's going?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I really don't understand how this thread has dragged on for 103 pages. ME3 was way toned down from ME2. It was essentially a zombie and robot shooter. Even the Cerberus mooks were made into near zombies so you wouldn't feel bad about shooting them. The "language" was non-existent. I hear more salty language in day to day conversations.

 

How about dragging around the likes of Pvts. Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, Wiezbowski, Frost, Cpl Hicks, Sgt. Apome, and Spunkmeyer from everyone's favorite sci-fi movie classic, Aliens? There was swearing in that movie. Gore and violence as well. 

 

While I understand that having the player character dropping f-bombs right and left might offend the sensibilities of some people and might interfere with their personal character development, I don't see why the writers should restrict the supporting cast. Maybe not have the entire cast cuss like sailors but have a few, like in ME2 and you don't have to pick them up on your team either. If you want to play pure paragon, fine. Leave them behind...

 

But renegade Shepard, Jack and Zaeed went to Illium. See that fits. Paragon Shepard, Jack and Zaeed, not so much. A bullet in the head solves everything. I know that now.

 

And the nudity. I don't think anyone is asking for what would classify as pr0n. Just perhaps something like .... ever watch the original Terminator movie? You know that scene between Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn? Yeah, that one. That's the level I'd like to see. I think they could easily get by with that. Also I thought the romance scene with Cassandra in DA:I was well done. I thought CDPR did well in TW3, although I would have liked to have seen the camera linger on Geralt a little longer.

 

I say that I say we leave the writers to write some good solid characters, and write a good solid story. Throw in these elements and they will add sales. That's the  bottom line.

 

 

 

 

[Paulomedi]

I really don't understand how this thread has dragged on for 103 pages. ME3 was way toned down from ME2. It was essentially a zombie and robot shooter. Even the Cerberus mooks were made into near zombies so you wouldn't feel bad about shooting them. The "language" was non-existent. I hear more salty language in day to day conversations.

 

How about dragging around the likes of Pvts. Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, Wiezbowski, Frost, Cpl Hicks, Sgt. Apome, and Spunkmeyer from everyone's favorite sci-fi movie classic, Aliens? There was swearing in that movie. Gore and violence as well. 

 

While I understand that having the player character dropping f-bombs right and left might offend the sensibilities of some people and might interfere with their personal character development, I don't see why the writers should restrict the supporting cast. Maybe not have the entire cast cuss like sailors but have a few, like in ME2 and you don't have to pick them up on your team either. If you want to play pure paragon, fine. Leave them behind...

 

But renegade Shepard, Jack and Zaeed went to Illium. See that fits. Paragon Shepard, Jack and Zaeed, not so much. A bullet in the head solves everything. I know that now.

 

And the nudity. I don't think anyone is asking for what would classify as pr0n. Just perhaps something like .... ever watch the original Terminator movie? You know that scene between Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn? Yeah, that one. That's the level I'd like to see. I think they could easily get by with that. Also I thought the romance scene with Cassandra in DA:I was well done. I thought CDPR did well in TW3, although I would have liked to have seen the camera linger on Geralt a little longer.

 

I say that I say we leave the writers to write some good solid characters, and write a good solid story. Throw in these elements and they will add sales. That's the  bottom line.

 

Folie a deux.

[Monica21]

And if it's worth playing but we think it could be better?

 

Or if we see a trend in the series and we don't like where it's going?

 

Do the same thing the readers did when they didn't like the direction Laurel K. Hamilton's books were heading. There are lots of books and there are lots of video games.

[Monica21]

I really don't understand how this thread has dragged on for 103 pages. ME3 was way toned down from ME2. It was essentially a zombie and robot shooter. Even the Cerberus mooks were made into near zombies so you wouldn't feel bad about shooting them. The "language" was non-existent. I hear more salty language in day to day conversations.

 

How about dragging around the likes of Pvts. Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, Wiezbowski, Frost, Cpl Hicks, Sgt. Apome, and Spunkmeyer from everyone's favorite sci-fi movie classic, Aliens? There was swearing in that movie. Gore and violence as well. 

 

While I understand that having the player character dropping f-bombs right and left might offend the sensibilities of some people and might interfere with their personal character development, I don't see why the writers should restrict the supporting cast. Maybe not have the entire cast cuss like sailors but have a few, like in ME2 and you don't have to pick them up on your team either. If you want to play pure paragon, fine. Leave them behind...

 

But renegade Shepard, Jack and Zaeed went to Illium. See that fits. Paragon Shepard, Jack and Zaeed, not so much. A bullet in the head solves everything. I know that now.

 

And the nudity. I don't think anyone is asking for what would classify as pr0n. Just perhaps something like .... ever watch the original Terminator movie? You know that scene between Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn? Yeah, that one. That's the level I'd like to see. I think they could easily get by with that. Also I thought the romance scene with Cassandra in DA:I was well done. I thought CDPR did well in TW3, although I would have liked to have seen the camera linger on Geralt a little longer.

 

I say that I say we leave the writers to write some good solid characters, and write a good solid story. Throw in these elements and they will add sales. That's the  bottom line.

 

[Heathen Oxman]

Don't you think it's a bit different when it involves a character you are role-playing versus some non-interactive media?

If the next title has as many cutscenes as ME3, I'd hope they'd make all of them skippable. Also, with the amount of cinema in some games, I'd really like fast-forward and pause features.

 

Not really.

 

I realize I'm an extreme minority; therefore: I do not expect mainstream cinema to cater to my tastes.

[Iakus]

I really don't understand how this thread has dragged on for 103 pages. ME3 was way toned down from ME2. It was essentially a zombie and robot shooter. Even the Cerberus mooks were made into near zombies so you wouldn't feel bad about shooting them. The "language" was non-existent. I hear more salty language in day to day conversations.

 

How about dragging around the likes of Pvts. Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, Wiezbowski, Frost, Cpl Hicks, Sgt. Apome, and Spunkmeyer from everyone's favorite sci-fi movie classic, Aliens? There was swearing in that movie. Gore and violence as well. 

 

Hey, I love that movie.  But to this day I gotta leave the room when a chestburster shows up.

 

 

 

While I understand that having the player character dropping f-bombs right and left might offend the sensibilities of some people and might interfere with their personal character development, I don't see why the writers should restrict the supporting cast. Maybe not have the entire cast cuss like sailors but have a few, like in ME2 and you don't have to pick them up on your team either. If you want to play pure paragon, fine. Leave them behind...

Not unreasonable.  I certainly never took Jack anywhere but her loyalty mission.  Though for reasons byond her language

 

But I would like the player to have more options rather than less.  Especially where roleplaying is concerned

 

 

 

 
And the nudity. I don't think anyone is asking for what would classify as pr0n. Just perhaps something like .... ever watch the original Terminator movie? You know that scene between Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn? Yeah, that one. That's the level I'd like to see. I think they could easily get by with that. Also I thought the romance scene with Cassandra in DA:I was well done. I thought CDPR did well in TW3, although I would have liked to have seen the camera linger on Geralt a little longer.
I say that I say we leave the writers to write some good solid characters, and write a good solid story. Throw in these elements and they will add sales. That's the  bottom line.

Yeah...If Mass Effect ever goes that far, the scene better be skippable.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

After changing diapers, delivering 50 German Shepherd puppies, scooping up poop from those puppies, that chest buster scene is nothing.

 

Seriously, why not put a "Press A" to skip cut scene for all cut scenes? After you've seen it a dozen times you probably don't want to see it again anyway. Also if you fail a boss fight, the last thing you want to do is sit through the cut scene leading up to it. Take that Rannoch Reaper fight. The last thing I wanted to do was start back at the spot where you targeted the reaper in the silo. It was a stupid cut scene. Or those dream sequences which IMO should have been cut scenes, we should have been able to skip those by pressing A since they didn't impact the game at all. You can do skip cut scenes in Halo and Gears, why not Mass Effect?

 

Or say you just beat the Terminator and you have to get up early in the morning and want to skip to the conversation with The Illusive Man. That's a long cutscene. Why not be able to skip it? Especially after you've seen it a half-dozen times.

 

This way no nudity filters need to be put in the game. People who don't want to see it can simply press A and opt out.

[Cyonan]

**Removed**

 

I'm pretty sure that video already exists somewhere on the internet.

Modifié par BioWareMod07, 23 août 2015 - 10:36 .
Mod edit: Removed inappropriate content

[Lady Artifice]

Eh, I think posting and sharing our feedback and hopes is a good idea. If Bioware had a perfect record in my eyes, I'd be all aboard the "trust them to write a good story and leave it at that" train, but as it is, I hope they consider some of what we as a fanbase have to say.

 

I still dislike the idea of story and dialogue content toggles. 

[Iakus]

After changing diapers, delivering 50 German Shepherd puppies, scooping up poop from those puppies, that chest buster scene is nothing.

 

Seriously, why not put a "Press A" to skip cut scene for all cut scenes? After you've seen it a dozen times you probably don't want to see it again anyway. Also if you fail a boss fight, the last thing you want to do is sit through the cut scene leading up to it. Take that Rannoch Reaper fight. The last thing I wanted to do was start back at the spot where you targeted the reaper in the silo. It was a stupid cut scene. Or those dream sequences which IMO should have been cut scenes, we should have been able to skip those by pressing A since they didn't impact the game at all. You can do skip cut scenes in Halo and Gears, why not Mass Effect?

 

Or say you just beat the Terminator and you have to get up early in the morning and want to skip to the conversation with The Illusive Man. That's a long cutscene. Why not be able to skip it? Especially after you've seen it a half-dozen times.

 

This way no nudity filters need to be put in the game. People who don't want to see it can simply press A and opt out.

That's precisely what I've been saying.