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[FKA_Servo]

Strong Sexual Content is vague and relies upon understanding specifically what the descriptor is implying. Many purchasers will only interpret those descriptors based upon their own understanding of what those words imply. This understanding can vary quite a bit. Should they inform themselves? Of course, but people are busy and put trust in the ratings system and hope that the ratings and descriptors are at least close to their own standards. Vague descriptors and broad categories are misleading and somewhat ineffectual in being able to make informed purchases. 

 

Something like "adult situations" is vague. Picture relevant (it's Calvin & Hobbes, nothing dirty).

 

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I disagree that the descriptor "strong sexual content" is in any way vague or broad, though - especially sitting next to "nudity" and "strong language" etc. And even then, fine, people are busy, but it's easier than ever to be an informed consumer. All it takes is a 2 minute internet search that can in all likelihood be executed on the spot using the phone everyone probably has on their person. Keep the ESRB site in your favorites - they'll devote an entire paragraph to describing the strongest content in the game.

[Chealec]

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For example, the explicit nude sex scenes in TW3 -where there are lingering first person viewpoints of women engaged in the sexual act rendered from motion capture-  are close to, if not straight up, pornography ...

 

Wait, what - how did I miss that?! Right, I'm off the play TW3 again!

[von uber]

For example, the explicit nude sex scenes in TW3 -where there are lingering first person viewpoints of women engaged in the sexual act rendered from motion capture- are close to, if not straight up, pornography compared to the tamer PG13 sexual portrayals of Mass Effect.

This says more about your view of sex rather than the rating system.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Strong Sexual Content is vague and relies upon understanding specifically what the descriptor is implying. Many purchasers will only interpret those descriptors based upon their own understanding of what those words imply. This understanding can vary quite a bit. Should they inform themselves? Of course, but people are busy and put trust in the ratings system and hope that the ratings and descriptors are at least close to their own standards. Vague descriptors and broad categories are misleading and somewhat ineffectual in being able to make informed purchases. 

 

Ok, how do you propose to make them less vague? Do you plan to tell the story on the box?

 

Do you want to rate everything on a 10 point scale? This game contains: Nudity 7, Sex 4, Violence 8, Language 6 and Alcohol/Drug Use 5?

 

It will never be something that meets all standards. What's extreme to one is mild to another. I don't see how you can create a rating system that caters to everyone equally.

[Chealec]

Ok, how do you propose to make them less vague? Do you plan to tell the story on the box?

 

Do you want to rate everything on a 10 point scale? This game contains: Nudity 7, Sex 4, Violence 8, Language 6 and Alcohol/Drug Use 5?

 

It will never be something that meets all standards. What's extreme to one is mild to another. I don't see how you can create a rating system that caters to everyone equally.

 

 

... how do you have a nudity rating? It's pretty binary either someone is nude, or they're not? O_o

[FKA_Servo]

Ok, how do you propose to make them less vague? Do you plan to tell the story on the box?

 

Do you want to rate everything on a 10 point scale? This game contains: Nudity 7, Sex 4, Violence 8, Language 6 and Alcohol/Drug Use 5?

 

It will never be something that meets all standards. What's extreme to one is mild to another. I don't see how you can create a rating system that caters to everyone equally.

 

Well, this is what Lonely Book is saying. And I can appreciate that, because it's obviously true, as this very thread seems to prove (I certainly have a different threshold than many other posters here).

 

That said, numbers on a scale seem a lot more subjective and vague than a series of words that, when strung together in a certain way, conjure a very specific image. I think even a vague interpretation of "strong sexual content" and "nudity" would lead one to believe that the product contains, at the very least... content of a sexual nature and nudity. And there's plenty of detailed information to expand upon those basic descriptors out there, for those who care to look. I don't think someone merits extra consideration if they do not take advantage of that.

 

But that's just me.

[DaemionMoadrin]

... how do you have a nudity rating? It's pretty binary either someone is nude, or they're not? O_o

 

ESRB ratings include such gems as Partial Nudity, so ask them?

[Monica21]

It doesn't seem that you do, if you consider all M rated games to be even somewhat to equal. 

For example, the explicit nude sex scenes in TW3 -where there are lingering first person viewpoints of women engaged in the sexual act rendered from motion capture-  are close to, if not straight up, pornography compared to the tamer PG13 sexual portrayals of Mass Effect. This is a problem with the rating system, which has been discussed in this thread, and is part of the discontent which is motivating some of the filter supporters. This isn't to say they are against such content; I'm not. It's only to say that a more well defined rating system needs to be in place. How this relates, in part, to the filter/toggle is since the ratings system cannot be trusted to properly inform purchasers due to lax categorization then the filter can provide some control for the end user. Explicit content creep is another issue related to Mass Effect and the toggle but as you've likely read the thread before jumping to conclusions it would be unnecessary to recount that issue again.

 

So you're saying that R rated movies can be R rated for things like sexual content, violence, or strong language and it doesn't have to have all three to be R rated? Because that's actually what I'm saying too.

 

When you buy an M rated game you need to check why it got the rating it got. If it has an M rating, then it's likely to have at least one of the three things I mentioned and maybe two or all three. The point is knowing that you'll probably be getting at least one of those things. I have no interest in a toggle that would effectively change a game from M to T or even E. There is no point to that.

[Laughing_Man]

Strong Sexual Content is vague and relies upon understanding specifically what the descriptor is implying.

 

There is absolutely nothing vague about "strong sexual content".

What else do you want? An exact description of any scene with sexual content on the package?

 

Video games are not made in a vacuum, the world around us is not PG13, and games shouldn't be targeted for including adult themes.

Any cut-scene should be skippable. But aside from that, this Victorian revival thread is just another face for the extreme political correctness brigade,

that would see video games "purified" of anything that isn't rainbow-farting-unicorns.

 

The world of video games would become a colorful world, with cutesy content and sugary cookies filled with smiles and rainbows with kittens on top.

[FKA_Servo]

ESRB ratings include such gems as Partial Nudity, so ask them?

 

See, that's vague.

 

There is absolutely nothing vague about "strong sexual content".

What else do you want? An exact description of any scene with sexual content on the package?

 

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The world of video games would become a colorful world, with cutesy content and sugary cookies filled with smiles and rainbows with kittens on top.

 

Well, if you visit the ESRB site, you'd get exactly that, is what I'm saying.

 

And smiling rainbow kittens certainly have their place.

[DaemionMoadrin]

See, that's vague.

 

Which is why I asked how you'd make it less vague.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Well, if you visit the ESRB site, you'd get exactly that, is what I'm saying.

 

http://www.esrb.org/...rtificate=31961

 

 

Really? It's not -exactly- that, is it?

[FKA_Servo]

Which is why I asked how you'd make it less vague.

 

Well... I would remove it entirely, since as far as I can tell, that's the descriptor applied to like... bikinis, or Jack's belt shirt (but not shirtless dudes, which is an entirely separate and hilarious tangent), and the "implied" nudity from earlier games. Or, if it actually contains nudity (as DAI, or TW3 do), then I'd remove that ridiculous qualifier, because it is a true and accurate description of that content.

 

http://www.esrb.org/...rtificate=31961

 

 

Really? It's not -exactly- that, is it?

 

Well, no, it's not a play by play. But it typically is a description of the strongest content present in the game. Which (in the case of ME3, there) seems accurate.

[Han Shot First]

See, that's vague.

 

I was never really sure what separated partial nudity from nudity either, when it came to ESRB ratings.

 

Out of curiosity I googled the ESRB ratings for both the original Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Inquisition, to see if there was a difference in how they got their ESRB rating. Mass Effect's ESRB rating lists partial nudity and for DA:I it is nudity. It seems then that partial nudity is sideboob and/or naked backsides. The only difference between DA:I and Mass Effect was that in DA:I some of the nude characters are also partially shown from the front rather than just the side or the back. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I meant... how would you make the entire rating system less vague. Which I wrote here: http://forum.bioware...ent/?p=19598679

 

So ... instead of discussing just one point out of many, can we get back to the issue at hand?

[von uber]

"Dear Sir.

I was so offended yesterday by the scenes in your game that after re-watching it 5 times and taking copious notes to make sure I knew exactly what it is I was being shocked by, that I wish you remove such examples from the game in future editions. To aid this I suggest that you firstly send me the uncut scenes so I can independently appraise them at length and enable others to be protected from the sight of luscious breasts and curvy buttocks that glisten enticingly in the candlelight.

Yours, with respect. ."

[Chealec]

I was never really sure what separated partial nudity from nudity either, when it came to ESRB ratings.

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A game of strategic piercing.

[RVallant]

I was never really sure what separated partial nudity from nudity either, when it came to ESRB ratings.

 

Out of curiosity I googled the ESRB ratings for both the original Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Inquisition, to see if there was a difference in how they got their ESRB rating. Mass Effect's ESRB rating lists partial nudity and for DA:I it is nudity. It seems then that partial nudity is sideboob and/or naked backsides. The only difference between DA:I and Mass Effect was that in DA:I some of the nude characters are also partially shown from the front rather than just the side or the back. 

 

Sideboob being a thing absolutely staggers me. 

 

Then again, attitudes towards boobs in general staggers me, I've never understood the big deal over censoring breasts. I'm surprised when old farts are going on national radio in the UK and stuff saying how breast-feeding is unnatural, which is obviously the complete opposite of reality. 

[N7M]

Due to recent changes in the BioWare forums I am suspending posting and supporting this topic. 

 

Sincere apologies to anyone affected.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Due to recent changes in the BioWare forums I am suspending posting and supporting this topic. 

 

Sincere apologies to anyone affected.

 

What changes?

[FKA_Servo]

What changes?

 

They nuked the off-topic forum.

[DaemionMoadrin]

They nuked the off-topic forum.

 

Well yeah, I saw that. How does this affect this thread and this discussion? Oo

[FKA_Servo]

Well yeah, I saw that. How does this affect this thread and this discussion? Oo

 

A lot of posters here are understandably cheesed off.

[Sartoz]

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Yet I bet there are many posters that adore Bio no matter how they are treated.

 

 

[DaemionMoadrin]

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Yet I bet there are many posters that adore Bio no matter how they are treated.

 

I'm sure we can point to at least a few.