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[dreamgazer]

And yet they keep coming here looking for it...

Who's they? What are they looking for?

Is that how conservative folks are now classifying those who want BioWare to properly utilize the M rating?

[Erez Kristal]

I think its a great idea op, if it doesn't take too much hassle to implement. Some games have the feature for extra or less violence and sexual scenes can be cut for players who don't want to see onscreen digital sex. As for my taste, I think its high time, Bioware draws in from the talent pool of the digital porn film makers and add proper sexual mini-games, what some of those guys make is pure gold. It would also cut the need for pressing alt-tab whenever you engage in a sex scene in game.

[Iakus]

Who's they? What are they looking for?

Is that how conservative folks are now classifying those who want BioWare to properly utilize the M rating?

"they" being those who call people who don't care for nudity in their games "prudes"

 

And given I've been referred to as "you people" more times than I can count, I think "they" is perfectly acceptable.

 

And an "M" rating can be utilized any number of ways.  Lack of a nude scene doesn't automatically mean it's E

 

On a final note not caring for nudity in a game=/=conservative

[Rappeldrache]

Depends also in witch country you live: Here in Germany "gore & blood" is not "well seen", But nudity is ... not really a problem.

 

See here: https://en.wikipedia...reikörperkultur

[Cyonan]

"they" being those who call people who don't care for nudity in their games "prudes"

 

And given I've been referred to as "you people" more times than I can count, I think "they" is perfectly acceptable.

 

And an "M" rating can be utilized any number of ways.  Lack of a nude scene doesn't automatically mean it's E

 

On a final note not caring for nudity in a game=/=conservative

 

According to some people on the internet, if you don't have full nudity and graphic violence it's automatically a kiddie game for childish people.

 

Us adults are apparently only supposed to enjoy violence and ******.

 

Edit: I've probably asked this before, but why is the shortened word for boobs censored around here?

[The Hierophant]

According to some people on the internet, if you don't have full nudity and graphic violence it's automatically a kiddie game for childish people.

 

Us adults are apparently only supposed to enjoy violence and ******.

 

Edit: I've probably asked this before, but why is the shortened word for boobs censored around here?

You mean titays or ******?

[The Hierophant]

wtf

 

I'd like to know this as well now.

[dreamgazer]

"they" being those who call people who don't care for nudity in their games "prudes"

That's a rather specific collective of people, which deviates from your original point.

"They" certainly aren't the only ones who want BioWare to get and stay comfortable with what the M-rating affords them.
 

And an "M" rating can be utilized any number of ways.  Lack of a nude scene doesn't automatically mean it's E

That's true, but that's that also kinda irrelevant, especially in a franchise that's always had a relationship drama element to it.

Containing nudity does, however, mean it's not an E-rated game. Or, more than likely, not a T-rated game.

Personally, I don't want another DAO or Sam Traynor situation, and I'd rather BioWare got comfortable with the human form than tiptoe around it for easily offended folks. That doesn't mean I want mammaries bouncing around everywhere throughout the game, though.
 

On a final note not caring for nudity in a game=/=conservative

Perhaps, but campaigning for the writers to restrict their creative intent based on those individual tastes indeed does.

[Belial]

If they want to include nudity, I hope they do it in a tasteful manner and to make certain scenes look more natural, not because the game is "mature" and "edgy" or  to attract the attention of horny 15-year-old boys.

[Iakus]

That's a rather specific collective of people, which deviates from your original point.

"They" certainly aren't the only ones who want BioWare to get and stay comfortable with what the M-rating affords them.
 

 

What if they're already comfortable where they are?  How about fans who are already comfortable with what the M rating already has here?

 

 

 

That's true, but that's that also kinda irrelevant, especially in a franchise that's always had a relationship drama element to it.

Containing nudity does, however, mean it's not an E-rated game. Or, more than likely, not a T-rated game.

Personally, I don't want another DAO or Sam Traynor situation, and I'd rather BioWare got comfortable with the human form than tiptoe around it for easily offended folks. That doesn't mean I want mammaries bouncing around everywhere throughout the game, though.

 

What does relationship drama have to do with nudity?  

 

And it being an M rated game does not mean there's nudity in it.  All retrievers are dogs, but not all dogs are retrievers

 

Just because DAO and Sam Traynor did it badly doesn't mean lack of nudity can't be done tastefully.  Whcih is why I heavilly favor fade to black.  Or, if that can' be avoided, simply hitting a button to skip past a scene like in ME1 (or DAO for that matter).  As opposed to Cassandra's scene in DAI where you have an entire unskippable conversation with dialogue scenes with her topless  

 

There seem to be all too many people who do want mammaries bouncing around.  And more.  

 

 

Perhaps, but campaigning for the writers to restrict their creative intent based on those individual tastes indeed does.

Except I'm not.  I'm campaigning for writers to keep their players and their individual tastes in mind.  That this is not something everyone is clamoring for.  That this is stuff that will, in fact make a lot of people uncomfortable.  They were nice enough to include a gore toggle, is it too much to ask that if they are going to put explicit nudity in a game, to  allow a fade-to black option or make the scene skippable?

[Cyonan]

  Or, if that can' be avoided, simply hitting a button to skip past a scene like in ME1 (or DAO for that matter). 

 

Making cutscenes skippable in general is just a good thing, romance or otherwise.

[Chealec]

According to some people on the internet, if you don't have full nudity and graphic violence it's automatically a kiddie game for childish people.

 

Us adults are apparently only supposed to enjoy violence and ******.

 

Edit: I've probably asked this before, but why is the shortened word for boobs censored around here?

 

Let's try a colloquialism : norks

[KaiserShep]

Making cutscenes skippable in general is just a good thing, romance or otherwise.

I'd like to be able to pause a cut scene. Other games let me do this just fine. Granted, on my PS3 I was able to do this with ME and DA by pressing the PS button, but that no longer worked with Inquisition.

[AlanC9]

They were nice enough to include a gore toggle, is it too much to ask that if they are going to put explicit nudity in a game, to  allow a fade-to black option or make the scene skippable?

There are real costs there, since now you can't ever put any important dialogue in the scene. Skippable works for something like the content-free DA:O scene, but that just proves that the DA:O scene was bad in the first place.

[KaiserShep]

That gore toggle didn't do much. Your characters don't look like they shoved their enemies into a wood chipper, but the enemies still exploded in bloody chunks or did the Shogun Assassin blood geyser. That said, I always use it because it just looked dumb being being all splattered up, even when fighting things that don't have blood.

[Former_Fiend]

 

Edit: I've probably asked this before, but why is the shortened word for boobs censored around here?

 

Bioware is biased against small birds.

[rocklikeafool]

Weren't all of Bioware's game in the last several years rated Mature or Teen. Isn't that censorship enough?!

[Cyonan]

Weren't all of Bioware's game in the last several years rated Mature or Teen. Isn't that censorship enough?!

 

Making a game in a certain rating group isn't censorship.

 

and the only T rated game BioWare has made recently is ToR. Mass Effect and Dragon Age have all been M rated games.

[Iakus]

There are real costs there, since now you can't ever put any important dialogue in the scene. Skippable works for something like the content-free DA:O scene, but that just proves that the DA:O scene was bad in the first place.

 

ME1 was "content free" as well.  And the sideboob there gets no end of praise.

 

The DAO scene is bad because it's so awkward looking.  Not because it doesn't have nudity or dialogue.

[AlanC9]

Yeah. If they're going to do scenes like that a toggle works fine. I'm looking for stuff more along the lines of, say, Outlander. If you're getting an M rating anyway, might as well use it.

[Iakus]

Yeah. If they're going to do scenes like that a toggle works fine. I'm looking for stuff more along the lines of, say, Outlander. If you're getting an M rating anyway, might as well use it.

The ME1 scene is skippable.  Which is what I have asked for if fade to black is not in the cards.

 

 

And as I said, "M" covers a lot of things.  They have been "using it" Just not this particular aspect.  "Because I can" is probably the worst excuse for adding any content.

[CYRAX470]

Meh, I sure as hell don't mind nudity. I figure that could be another "toggle on/off" option for players. Toggle on, you get boobs and butts, toggle off, it's all obscured by camera and or underwear. 

[Former_Fiend]

ME1 was "content free" as well.  And the sideboob there gets no end of praise.

 

The DAO scene is bad because it's so awkward looking.  Not because it doesn't have nudity or dialogue.

 

I don't praise it.

[dreamgazer]

What if they're already comfortable where they are?  How about fans who are already comfortable with what the M rating already has here?

Clearly they aren't, as per the complaints made towards previous BioWare games.

Inquisition shows that they're listening to those folks, resulting in some really solid intimate scenes.
 

What does relationship drama have to do with nudity?

Uh ...

http://forum.bioware...ent/?p=19487202
 

And it being an M rated game does not mean there's nudity in it.  All retrievers are dogs, but not all dogs are retrievers

Okay, but being a retriever automatically makes it a dog. Why shouldn't the game embrace being a retriever, especially if it's a well-behaved one?

What makes ME1 a M-rated game to you, instead of a T-rated game?
 

Just because DAO and Sam Traynor did it badly doesn't mean lack of nudity can't be done tastefully.

I agree, but by properly using the M-rating, those scenes would also appear exactly as they were shot and intended with *gasp* the human(oid) body visible. You know, the way people actually do things. Nudity can also be done tastefully.
 

Whcih is why I heavilly favor fade to black.  Or, if that can' be avoided, simply hitting a button to skip past a scene like in ME1 (or DAO for that matter).  As opposed to Cassandra's scene in DAI where you have an entire unskippable conversation with dialogue scenes with her topless

Are you offended by the Inquisitor also being topless?

I think all those scenes should be skippable in some way, but not at the expense of them becoming trivial. That's precisely what'll happen if they're relegated to "the scenes that have to exist with or without a toggle". Inquisition took some strides forward in that arena, strides that this proposal would undo.
 

There seem to be all too many people who do want mammaries bouncing around.  And more.

If there's a sizable quotient of people who want them to do so with something as normal as exposing the human body during intimate scenes, why shouldn't they push it a bit further?
 

Except I'm not.  I'm campaigning for writers to keep their players and their individual tastes in mind.

No, you're asking for the writers to keep conservative tastes in mind.

How about the parents who would prefer for "the alien sex game" to be rated T so they can safely buy it for their children? Shall they keep their tastes in mind? If this content is going to become so inconsequential that it's able to be switched off with a toggle, why bother with the M rating?
 

That this is not something everyone is clamoring for.

Do you really consider what most pro-nudity people have discussed in this topic to be "clamoring"?
 

That this is stuff that will, in fact make a lot of people uncomfortable.

Were "a lot" of people uncomfortable with the nudity in Inquisition?

Frankly, I think the number of people frustrated with the non-nudity measures they've previously taken outweighs the folks who buy M-rated games that are easily offended by such things. I'm good with them sticking with ME1-style nudity if they're wanting to keep it "clean", but I'd certainly prefer the openness, intimacy, and relevance of Inquisition instead.

Seriously, there's a reason why the rating system exists: to ward off those who feel "uncomfortable".
 

They were nice enough to include a gore toggle, is it too much to ask that if they are going to put explicit nudity in a game, to  allow a fade-to black option or make the scene skippable?

Can you run me through how the gameplay-based gore toggle is the same as a narrative-based content filter?

[KaiserShep]

Reading this thread again, I feel like one of the LI's should have a gratuitously long sex scene, like Dan and Laurie in Watchmen with a flamethrower coitus. Unskippable of course.