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[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they do have explicit sex scenes, I hope they also have romances where sex is not involved. Either have the option to say no(without ending the romance) or never address it and leave that part of the relationship ambiguous. 

[AresKeith]

Oh joy, it's this thread again.

 

[wolfhowwl]

If they do have explicit sex scenes, I hope they also have romances where sex is not involved. Either have the option to say no(without ending the romance) or never address it and leave that part of the relationship ambiguous. 

 

Sure the romance won't end but the love interest will satisfy themselves...elsewhere.

 

People have needs.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure the romance won't end but the love interest will satisfy themselves...elsewhere.

 

People have needs.

And yet tens of millions of people are able to keep those needs at bay. 

[dreamgazer]

And yet tens of millions of people are able to keep those needs at bay.

If we're talking global ratios, that's an incredibly small amount.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we're talking global ratios, that's an incredibly small amount.

Doesn't matter. Bioware doesn't operate on global percentages when it comes to love interests, so there can be ones like this. After all they did it DAI with a few of the LIs, particularly Josephine and Solas, and even in the Shepard Trilogy with Kelly, so why not in future Mass Effect games? 

[AlanC9]

So you want unskippable sex scenes?

Unskippable unless you're willing to skip dialogue, yes.

Mechanically speaking, all cutscenes should be skippable by players who already know or don't care what's in the cutscene

[themikefest]

Okay, violence with less gratuitous amounts of blood

Sure. There can be violence without blood. Or instead of exploding heads, how about shooting off an arm or leg of the baddies were shooting at? They lie in pain and then die of blood loss as the main character walks by.

 

I would argue that Traynor's shower scene would have been more tasteful if she was actually nude, and that Shepard actually stripped as well.

I mentioned that in her thread about 3 years ago. Have Shepard removing her clothes as she walks to the shower. Bioware could've added steam to cover up areas of the body instead of Sam wearing her underwear. There is a mod that was made that fixed that for those who play on the pc.

[Iakus]

Yes, literally every one. Please, Iakus.
 

Please what?  You're the one who said "Clearly they aren't" So do you think they really wanted to show us the three-way between the Spirit Monk, Dawn Star, and SIlk Fox?

 

 

 

Yes, sex scenes are very frequently the culmination of relationship drama, and there's nothing wrong with that.

You're smarter than this.

First:  culmination is mor ethe result of drama, rather than drama itself.  If you want relationship drama look at the obstacles tehy must overcome to be together.

 

Second Frenquently=/=always.  

 

 

 

Most of which can be found in T-rated games.
I repeat: what, specifically, makes ME1 M-rated instead of T-rated? The language isn't bad, the violence moderate, and not a female nipple in sight.

 

Bad by who's standard?  Moderate by who's standard?  

 

Pillars of Eternity had language not much worse than ME1's, was a UNity Engine game so the violence was even less graphic, and no nudity at all, and is still M, and deservedly so.

 

 

 

Sure, I'll say it: that scene would've exhibited a better taste level by showing Traynor's body while showering instead of showering with underwear on. Is that inaccurate?
 

And I'll say eh scene, with or without underwear was pretty freaking tasteless all around

 

 

 

Wait, but you were still offended? By the shirtless male Inquisitor?
 

Less offended and more annoyed.  It's was unnecessary eye candy.

 

 

 

Why, instead of being integrated into the storytelling? Why cheapen it?
 

If you're going to make the player a voyeur to a sex scene, you've already cheapened it.

 

 

 

Why not?
conservative: disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. Cautiously moderate or purposefully low. And, traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness.
This attitude toward words of the English language and toward the human body are incredibly conservative.
 

ANd yet the word you are using has some pretty clear political connotations which have no place on the forum, and I'll thank you to refrain from it.

 

 

 

Censor the language with another conservative ( ) content filter, and it just might've been!
 

See above.  Also, please note some of the ME2 content like, oh, Jack's entire backstory, Jacob's loyalty mission, Morinth, . Oh and the exploding mercs, the whole "setting people on fire" thing, Stabbing the mechanic in the back with a power tool, Yeah, that game was great for kids  Because Samara never actually popped out of her outfit

 

 

 

... gratuitous? Good grief.
Still didn't actually answer my question about the difference. One involves gameplay, the other narrative censorship and triviality.
 

 

You're going to have to explain to me how walking around drenched in gore is a "gameplay" mechanic (because it has no affect on it) while being able to skip past sex scenes is not (because it doesn't affect the story at all).

 

 

PS: I'm just fine with a "Skip" button.

 

Well at least there's that.

[Iakus]

Sure. There can be violence without blood. Or instead of exploding heads, how about shooting off an arm or leg of the baddies were shooting at? They lie in pain and then die of blood loss as the main character walks by.

 

That's really not better.

[Iakus]

Unskippable unless you're willing to skip dialogue, yes.
 

Seriously, why?  Just to troll players?

[MrMrPendragon]

Ok, how about putting an option to get rid of explicit content in the settings

 

The settings will censor the following:

 

1. No blood, like, at all. I don't think Mass Effect even has the blood showers anyway because the gunshots don't spray blood everywhere.

2. No nudity - sex scenes are automatically skipped, and it goes straight to post-sex conversation.

 

3. Beeping swears and curses - or do it in a hilarious but clever way. For example, instead of beeping "b*tch", the censor goes "banana bread" in replacement. Now that one is a bit tricky because you're basically changing a word within the dialogue, or maybe even the entire line, or hell the entire conversation.

 

Ho-ly. Sh*t.

 

If all this ends up with underwear scenes or fade-to-black scenes....

[dreamgazer]

Please what?  You're the one who said "Clearly they aren't"

Because clearly they aren't. There were complaints.
 

First:  culmination is mor ethe result of drama, rather than drama itself.  If you want relationship drama look at the obstacles tehy must overcome to be together.
 
Second Frenquently=/=always.

Wait, aren't you the "destination is just as important as the journey" guy?

It's an extension of the drama itself, impacted by the context of said drama, and very frequently the culmination of said drama.
 

Bad by who's standard?  Moderate by who's standard?

Not by conservative standards, I'm guessing.
 

Pillars of Eternity had language not much worse than ME1's, was a UNity Engine game so the violence was even less graphic, and no nudity at all, and is still M, and deservedly so.

Pillars of Eternity isn't Mass Effect 1.
 

And I'll say eh scene, with or without underwear was pretty freaking tasteless all around

Why's that?
 

Less offended and more annoyed.  It's was unnecessary eye candy.

Is that a problem? Why was it unnecessary?
 

If you're going to make the player a voyeur to a sex scene, you've already cheapened it.

Please, oh please, run me through the logic of how sex scenes depicted in visual media cheapen the experience.
 

ANd yet the word you are using has some pretty clear political connotations which have no place on the forum, and I'll thank you to refrain from it.

Sorry, but the word fits. It's a conservative position of all points involved. Prudish seems too harsh, but it's an alternative.
 

See above.  Also, please note some of the ME2 content like, oh, Jack's entire backstory, Jacob's loyalty mission, Morinth, . Oh and the exploding mercs, the whole "setting people on fire" thing, Stabbing the mechanic in the back with a power tool, Yeah, that game was great for kids  Because Samara never actually popped out of her outfit

Yep. A lot of that could actually fly in a T-rated environment. Didn't say it would be "great" for kids, just that it might squeak by with a T if it lacked some F-bombs and a little of this unnecessary gore you're going on about.
 

You're going to have to explain to me how walking around drenched in gore is a "gameplay" mechanic (because it has no affect on it) while being able to skip past sex scenes is not (because it doesn't affect the story at all).

Because you shed the persistent gore, an entirely unnecessary element, during gameplay, and because the sex scenes are pure narrative.

[9TailsFox]

So you want unskippable sex scenes?

And interactive it's video game after all.

[AlanC9]

Seriously, why?  Just to troll players?

Because I don't think that the sexual elements should be separated from the relationship elements. The whole point of having the sex scene is to explore the relationship.

You really aren't getting this? I'd get into it further but I don't know where the communication failure is. I'll just reference Outlander again. Sure, you could write the show to the limitations of, say, basic cable, but it would be different, and worse, and there's no good reason to do that. Games are no different.

[straykat]

I don't care if they're seen or unseen.

 

But if seen, they better adjust the romance options and artistic designs. Sex, at the very least, has to be sexy. Not an embarassment or pure comedy or some bizarre oddity that only a deranged segment of the human population likes.

 

And yes, I'm serious. Stay classy, more or less.

[KaiserShep]

If you're going to make the player a voyeur to a sex scene, you've already cheapened it.

 

I don't get this line of reasoning. Is any sex scene in any movie or TV show automatically cheapened because we the viewer can see a part of it happening? That strikes me as a bit shallow. Also, this is kind of strange when considering the fact that a fictional character, by its very nature, has no privacy from the eye of the viewer. We can even go so far as to see or hear their thoughts. We are already a "voyeur" in a great many ways in that we have access to things other characters in that setting do not, unless of course that character can do this:

 

[Lady Artifice]

If you're going to make the player a voyeur to a sex scene, you've already cheapened it.

 

If that's the phrasing you want to go with, the player is always a voyeur. What makes a sexual encounter so much cheaper than an intimate but non sexual scene between the characters? 

 

I'd posit that this is the source of the common assumptions that "pro toggle" is a conservative point of view, because it seems to involve a perception of sex as something that is inherently cheap. 

[straykat]

Strange. As long as a narrative is involved and it's adding to it, I never had the feeling of a "voyeur" in any sex scene.

 

Porn...  on the other hand.. yeah. I just think I'm watching two people ******. It's not necessarily bad, but it's very dry and to the point.

 

 

Games have the chance of that benefit of narrative, like cinema or novels, but also immersion. Not voyeurism. If done well at least.

[Chealec]

Porn...  on the other hand.. yeah. I just think I'm watching two people ******. It's not necessarily bad, but it's very dry and to the point.

 

Dry? More lube may be required.

[Arius]

Because I don't think that the sexual elements should be separated from the relationship elements. The whole point of having the sex scene is to explore the relationship.

You really aren't getting this? I'd get into it further but I don't know where the communication failure is. I'll just reference Outlander again. Sure, you could write the show to the limitations of, say, basic cable, but it would be different, and worse, and there's no good reason to do that. Games are no different.

 

Why, though? In game, the vast majority of things are skippable, but when it comes to sex scenes, those in particular absolutely must not be skippable? You can skip so many important things over the entire trilogy of Mass Effect if you want, but in your opinion this just absolutely should not be skippable?

 

I question whether showing sex scenes is particularly relevant to the relationship. Unless something happens during said scene, it seems to me nothing is gained narrative or immersion-wise by simply seeing the two people having sex.

 

If you're going to support your point by "it adds immersion" then you're obviously also in support of showing all characters using the restroom in full graphic detail correct? That's realistic, it'd add immersion!

 

This isn't aimed at you specifically, but also this talk of mentioning conservative/conservatives is rather pointless. What matters are ideas, not why they're held. Adding an option for same gendered relationships was certainly a good thing, yet in line with liberal positions.

[Dermain]

Sure. There can be violence without blood. Or instead of exploding heads, how about shooting off an arm or leg of the baddies were shooting at? They lie in pain and then die of blood loss as the main character walks by.

 

I mentioned that in her thread about 3 years ago. Have Shepard removing her clothes as she walks to the shower. Bioware could've added steam to cover up areas of the body instead of Sam wearing her underwear. There is a mod that was made that fixed that for those who play on the pc.

 

I recall a panel with that one fellow that happens to be the lead writer of the DA series where he said that was what was intended, but the steam bugged out when they were crafting the scene.

[Laughing_Man]

Why, though? In game, the vast majority of things are skippable, but when it comes to sex scenes, those in particular absolutely must not be skippable?

 

...If you're going to support your point by "it adds immersion" then you're obviously also in support of showing all characters using the restroom in full graphic detail correct? That's realistic, it'd add immersion!

 

This isn't aimed at you specifically, but also this talk of mentioning conservative/conservatives is rather pointless. What matters are ideas, not why they're held. Adding an option for same gendered relationships was certainly a good thing, yet in line with liberal positions.

 

First, I agree that all cutscenes should be skippable, after all, I might not want to watch a cutscene I have seen during an earlier playthrough.

Hell, I wish those dreams in ME3 were skippable, they were probably the lowest point of ME3 for me aside from the ending.

 

That said, I don't see why you think that a sex scene is equal to a character using a restroom. It's rather sad actually.

Depiction of sex does add to immersion when romance is included in the story, if done correctly and not awkwardly it can add
some much needed spice to the story.

 

Many liberals are strangely conservative and apologetic when it comes to sex and depiction of sex, especially when it's not same-gendered.

Probably because it's very easy to get blamed for sexism / objectification / whatever else by SJ storm troopers.

[themikefest]

I recall a panel with that one fellow that happens to be the lead writer of the DA series where he said that was what was intended, but the steam bugged out when they were crafting the scene.

Patrick Weekes? He's Sam's writer. If the steam didn't work they could've shown the scene from different angles. Oh well.

[Dermain]

Patrick Weekes? He's Sam's writer. If the steam didn't work they could've shown the scene from different angles. Oh well.

 

Yes, that fellow.

 

Also, showing the scene from a different angle takes more work than just going "**** it! Just put them in clothes"!