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[straykat]

Just move to India and play a Bioware game there.

 

 

Meanwhile, some poor woman will be attacked by a gang of men outside your window. But your game will be safe at least.

[Pasquale1234]

Agreed, but I don't see the relevance to this topic. Can you elaborate? We're not talking about making the sex interactive-- I hope.

BTDT.

The more cutscenes, the more explicit the cutscenes, the more dev-defined the character becomes, and the less control the player has over the character.

[Arius]

You seem to believe that sex is something to be ashamed of, I don't blaim you, religion worked very hard to ingrain that belief in people.

 

Is having a sex scene in game "hot"? I should hope so. And what's wrong with that exactly?

 

You should be able to skip the cutscene if you want, but aside from that there is nothing wrong with sex in a video game.

 

And yes, despite what you are saying, it does it adds immersion to romance.

Sex is an important part of romantic relationships, and therefore there is no reason not to include it.

 

Using a restroom on the other hand is a basic, not interesting, everyday activity.

You could include everyday activities to add immersion I suppose, but watching someone taking a crap won't be high on my list...

I simply would not feel any connection or appeal while watching someone in this situation.

 

Why are you trying to address my beliefs instead of just dealing with the points I raise? Also why do you think this is just due to religion? Feminists hold very similar positions about video games and it has very little to do with religion. Religion is a huge scapegoat to dismiss ideas that are counter to yours, but you might want to consider simply blaming religion can't solve all your problems.

 

Sex is nothing to be ashamed of, why do you think I think it is? I'm saying if sex and nudity doesn't add to a video game, then I feel it's probably put there only as 'eye-candy' and as such is objectifying men and women. It has nothing to do with sex being shameful lol, it's how sex is used and why it's added.

 

You're asserting it does add immersion, but you're not giving reason why. Eating is an important part of living, would you be saying people need to add eating to a game otherwise the game is worse off for it? You're making assertions with no reason to accompany them lol. Give me a reason WHY it's immersive, an argument, a piece of evidence, not just "well, it just is!" (paraphrasing).

 

So what makes you want sex scenes in a game? Because they're hot, and no other reason? We've already proven it's not due merely to realism, otherwise you'd want a whole manner of other things in the video game as well. I'm not criticizing you for thinking sex/naked people are hot bro, I do too, but that's a pretty shallow reason to add such things to a video game right?

 

Also nobody is arguing against sex/nudity being in the game (as far as I know, haven't read this entire thread). Just a toggle for those who don't prefer SEEING those things, that's all. I play the Witcher series, you'd be surprised how little nudity/sex bothers me lol. I view this as no different from people who wanted same-sex relationships and request such things be a feature in the game, except those take way more development resources than this toggle lol.

[straykat]

Eating can be immersive actually. Like hardcore mode in New Vegas.

 

But that's immersive in a simulator sense. We're talking narrative. I don't think full on sex adds anything to narrative. Simply approaching a sex scene or some afterwards scene does though.

[Arius]

Eating can be immersive actually. Like hardcore mode in New Vegas.

 

But that's immersive in a simulator sense. We're talking narrative. I don't think full on sex adds anything to narrative. Simply approaching a sex scene or some afterwards scene does though.

 

I agree and I'm not against immersion, my point is merely to say that people that support having sex everywhere because of it being "realistic" and adding to "immersion" are using that as an excuse rather than truly desiring it for that purpose. That is, unless they also want eating/drinking/sleeping/using the restroom and a slew of other things added as well.

[Chealec]

On a side note, I have legitimately seen people on the Star Citizen forums arguing that mandatory restroom breaks and showering be a thing in the game "because immersion".

 

To be honest, I quite like seeing random soldiers taking a leak in the Witcher "because immersion"

 

... and although it's unbelievably childish and puerile, this still makes me laugh:

 

 

I know, I really should grow up

[Cyonan]

To be honest, I quite like seeing random soldiers taking a leak in the Witcher "because immersion"

 

... and although it's unbelievably childish and puerile, this still makes me laugh:

 

I think it's not a bad thing to have just as one of those little things that adds to the setting. Even letting your character do these things isn't a bad idea necessarily.

 

Although I am against making them mandatory mechanics that you have to do every X minutes =P

[KaiserShep]

Do you really trust the same company that designed the outfits of Samara, Miranda, Jacob, and Jack to be able to do a sex scene tastefully?

While a different team, DA:I did intimate scenes rather well. I don't see why the current ME group couldn't do similar. I don't think ME3 did any romance scenes distastefully, so I guess my answer to your question would be yes.

[AresKeith]

Do you really trust the same company that designed the outfits of Samara, Miranda, Jacob, and Jack to be able to do a sex scene tastefully?

 

The same company that has in-fact done that

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

And yes, despite what you are saying, it does it adds immersion to romance.

Sex is an important part of romantic relationships, and therefore there is no reason not to include it.

No, it is not. It can be certainty, but sex is not an essential part of romantic relationships. Sex =/= Romance

[Pasquale1234]

I agree and I'm not against immersion, my point is merely to say that people that support having sex everywhere because of it being "realistic" and adding to "immersion" are using that as an excuse rather than truly desiring it for that purpose. That is, unless they also want eating/drinking/sleeping/using the restroom and a slew of other things added as well.

One could also make the argument that things like a fine meal, a great night's sleep, and a good dump can be more satisfying and serve more immediate survival needs than sex.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Why are you trying to address my beliefs instead of just dealing with the points I raise? Also why do you think this is just due to religion? Feminists hold very similar positions about video games and it has very little to do with religion. Religion is a huge scapegoat to dismiss ideas that are counter to yours, but you might want to consider simply blaming religion can't solve all your problems.[/quote]

 

I've met plenty of feminists that don't have any problem with sex or sexuality in fact a select few of them want more as long as the woman in said scene gets an organism too,

[EmperorSahlertz]

Your request is not feasible due to 1) nobody else wanting that and 2) it costing too much to do it. The request to add a toggle for certain things is not unreasonable (ie Squad power usage, Subtitles, Auto leveling, No conversation choices), I'm not supporting a toggle for swearing or even violence because I know both take too much investment. But if you're going to sit here and tell me it's not feasible for them to add a toggle that, say, makes fade to black scenes in place of the sex itself... you're delusional and/or being deceptive. You know full well that's not too much to ask.

 

You do realize that Mass Effect 3 literally has an option that auto selects all dialogue for you right? That's a toggle they created, yet you think it's utterly unreasonable to request a toggle for us?

 

I agree, it's ultimately up to Bioware. That's why this is a request by people who would prefer this kind of option. If they don't want to add it, they won't, and you'll not hear from us again. You sound just like people who wanted to stop Bioware from adding same gendered romances, desperately talking about how it's pointless to do anything for a minority or add options for people to enhance their own enjoyment. No sympathy for people who don't share your world view, simply because you disagree with it?

Of course it isn't... It was an overblown example of asinine requests to alter the core game and the story that it tries to tell, by accomodating specialized request from people, who had no business even buying the game in the first place.

 

And adding a toggle that auto selects dialogue options is a perfectly simple addition (however asinine it was), and was an attempt to win over Gears of Wars fans, who didn't care about story, and just wanted a good TPS.

 

If an aspect of a game goes so much agaisnt the very core of your being, then don't buy it. Don't make developers waste time accomodating your needs.

[FKA_Servo]

The same company that has in-fact done that

 

I think they did it in DAI.

 

In fact, I think Cass' scene in particular is pretty wonderful. It's appropriate, not gratuitous, and miles above anything in previous DA games or any ME game, though the scenes in ME1 were fine, too. It seems like a pretty natural progression from that, in fact.

[AresKeith]

I think they did it in DAI.

 

In fact, I think Cass' scene in particular is pretty wonderful. It's appropriate, not gratuitous, and miles above anything in previous DA games or any ME game, though the scenes in ME1 were fine, too. It seems like a pretty progression from that, in fact.

 

They did it in ME3 too with Liara's sex scene

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think they did it in DAI.

 

In fact, I think Cass' scene in particular is pretty wonderful. It's appropriate, not gratuitous, and miles above anything in previous DA games or any ME game, though the scenes in ME1 were fine, too. It seems like a pretty natural progression from that, in fact.

Other than the whole "You have no choice but to have sex" part of it. And of course her talking about her previous lover right after having sex with you.

[Arius]

Of course it isn't... It was an overblown example of asinine requests to alter the core game and the story that it tries to tell, by accomodating specialized request from people, who had no business even buying the game in the first place.

 

And adding a toggle that auto selects dialogue options is a perfectly simple addition (however asinine it was), and was an attempt to win over Gears of Wars fans, who didn't care about story, and just wanted a good TPS.

 

If an aspect of a game goes so much agaisnt the very core of your being, then don't buy it. Don't make developers waste time accomodating your needs.

 

 

 

I'm not trying to alter the story. I'm trying to provide a toggle so I don't have to see a part of what happens, that doesn't mean I want them to not have had sex or that the sex shouldn't be in the game. That's just a misrepresentation of my position.

 

What do you mean I have no business buying the game in the first place? I can do what I want with my money, and I enjoy the gameplay/lore of Mass Effect more than any other universe in video gaming. You can rest assured I'll be pre-ordering Andromeda much faster than you will, toggle or no, and if it's up to quality with their other entries I'll enjoy every second of it I can get.

 

I don't have 'needs' in this discussion and it's not against the core of my being. You're putting words in my mouth and assigning beliefs/opinions to me I do not hold. The only reason I want the no nudity option is because my computer is in a public space where my family can and will see what I'm doing constantly.

 

I don't see why people who want same sex romances are not "wasting developers time" by demanding voice acting, scripting, programming, etc... for their requested features, but if I dare ask for a bloody toggle I'm wasting their time? This is how companies operate, people request features for ways they think the game can be improved. This thread PROVES that although the toggle community for explicit content may be a minority, it exists. The fact that you're taking this so seriously/personally is a little disturbing, it's not like my little toggle is going to ruin your boob scenes lol.

 

Edit: And you think a toggle that automatically chooses every single piece of dialogue in the game for you is more simple than altering what will probably at most amount to 6 scenes in the entire game in very basic ways (ie fade to black, reposition camera)? Lol.

[Arius]

I've met plenty of feminists that don't have any problem with sex or sexuality in fact a select few of them want more as long as the woman in said scene gets an organism too,

 

I'm not saying all feminists, just that a large amount of them do.

[FKA_Servo]

Other than the whole "You have no choice but to have sex" part of it. And of course her talking about her previous lover right after having sex with you.

 

RE the former point, I've granted as much in the past. I do think that it would be good to be able to optionally progress romance subplots without love scenes being mandatory would be good for RP and replayability.

 

RE the latter though - obviously it's not a scene you can skip, considering there's exposition (though I maintain it's tastefully done, and would hope that people not freak out about it if other similar content is, in fact, optional). As far as what she says, I don't know what you want to do about it unless you want to control her thoughts and emotions as well. I guess you (or your PC) are free to be offended.

[AlanC9]

BTDT.

The more cutscenes, the more explicit the cutscenes, the more dev-defined the character becomes, and the less control the player has over the character.

I still don't see how what I'm talking about can lose any control that the player actually has under the ME1/DAO model.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

RE the former point, I've granted as much in the past. I do think that it would be good to be able to optionally progress romance subplots without love scenes being mandatory would be good for RP and replayability.

 

RE the latter though - obviously it's not a scene you can skip, considering there's exposition (though I maintain it's tastefully done, and would hope that people not freak out about it if other similar content is, in fact, optional). As far as what she says, I don't know what you want to do about it unless you want to control her thoughts and emotions as well. I guess you (or your PC) are free to be offended.

I was just saying why I didn't want the structure of Cassandra's scene to be the foundation of future scenes. I am glad you support the notion of sex in relationships being optional. 

 

The latter point was more me just thinking that discussing other lovers to the lover you just made love with seems inappropriate, so goes against the scene being fully appropriate.

[AresKeith]

I was just saying why I didn't want the structure of Cassandra's scene to be the foundation of future scenes. I am glad you support the notion of sex in relationships being optional. 

 

The latter point was more me just thinking that discussing other lovers to the lover you just made love with seems inappropriate, so goes against the scene being fully appropriate.

 

The context of which she mentioned the past lover doesn't make it inappropriate

[FKA_Servo]

I was just saying why I didn't want the structure of Cassandra's scene to be the foundation of future scenes. I am glad you support the notion of sex in relationships being optional. 

 

The latter point was more me just thinking that discussing other lovers to the lover you just made love with seems inappropriate, so goes against the scene being fully appropriate.

 

I was speaking to the level of risque, I guess. I don't think it's inappropriate, which is the theme of day.

 

I think Cass' response is very human. She is sort of awkward, after all.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'm not trying to alter the story. I'm trying to provide a toggle so I don't have to see a part of what happens, that doesn't mean I want them to not have had sex or that the sex shouldn't be in the game. That's just a misrepresentation of my position.

 

What do you mean I have no business buying the game in the first place? I can do what I want with my money, and I enjoy the gameplay/lore of Mass Effect more than any other universe in video gaming. You can rest assured I'll be pre-ordering Andromeda much faster than you will, toggle or no, and if it's up to quality with their other entries I'll enjoy every second of it I can get.

 

I don't have 'needs' in this discussion and it's not against the core of my being. You're putting words in my mouth and assigning beliefs/opinions to me I do not hold. The only reason I want the no nudity option is because my computer is in a public space where my family can and will see what I'm doing constantly.

 

I don't see why people who want same sex romances are not "wasting developers time" by demanding voice acting, scripting, programming, etc... for their requested features, but if I dare ask for a bloody toggle I'm wasting their time? This is how companies operate, people request features for ways they think the game can be improved. This thread PROVES that although the toggle community for explicit content may be a minority, it exists. The fact that you're taking this so seriously/personally is a little disturbing, it's not like my little toggle is going to ruin your boob scenes lol.

 

Edit: And you think a toggle that automatically chooses every single piece of dialogue in the game for you is more simple than altering what will probably at most amount to 6 scenes in the entire game in very basic ways (ie fade to black, reposition camera)? Lol.

There already ARE options to skip cutscenes. It is called space button and it isn't rocket science, despite the name of it. So how about YOU take the ****** 2 seconds out of your life, to be ready to press that button, and thus save the devs the time then?

 

And it isn't just you. There have also been others on here, asking for them to remove the swearwords, blood, etc.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was speaking to the level of risque, I guess. I don't think it's inappropriate, which is the theme of day.

Ah, okay. Sorry for misunderstanding your post then. In terms of risque,  Liara's scene in Mass Effect 3 seems a good level, though having both characters like Liara rather than one like her and one in underwear like Shepard. Clever camera angles and use of shadows.

 

There already ARE options to skip cutscenes. It is called space button and it isn't rocket science, despite the name of it. So how about YOU take the ****** 2 seconds out of your life, to be ready to press that button, and thus save the devs the time then?

Except now they are having cutscenes with objectionable material where you cannot skip since they tie dialogue interaction with them. That's where people are complaining. If it was like the romance scenes in the Shepard Trilogy where nothing but sex happens in the sex scene so you can skip then most people seem fine with that.