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[Arius]

There already ARE options to skip cutscenes. It is called space button and it isn't rocket science, despite the name of it. So how about YOU take the ****** 2 seconds out of your life, to be ready to press that button, and thus save the devs the time then?

 

And it isn't just you. There have also been others on here, asking for them to remove the swearwords, blood, etc.

 

Um dude it isn't always just hitting the space key, that's been highlighted in this thread before. In fact, in DA:I it ties dialogue to seeing nudity and you can't skip it without mashing random dialogue and easily making a mistake on what you want to say. In DA:I they could have easily changed the camera angle to just show Cas' head, but instead they had to include the boobs as well. That's fine, but if they're gonna do something like that again I think it'd be a kind gesture if they were to make an option to make the content less explicit, you're not going to seriously say changing the 'camera angle' for a couple scenes is a lot of work right?

 

And I know, but you're talking to me now, not them. If you want to address them, that's fine, but you need to make that clear. Since you're quoting me, I take it to mean you're responding to me, not them.

[AlanC9]

The latter point was more me just thinking that discussing other lovers to the lover you just made love with seems inappropriate, so goes against the scene being fully appropriate.

Appropriate in which sense? Cass being inappropriate, or the devs being inappropriate?

[AlanC9]

Um dude it isn't always just hitting the space key, that's been highlighted in this thread before. In fact, in DA:I it ties dialogue to seeing nudity and you can't skip it without mashing random dialogue and easily making a mistake on what you want to say. In DA:I they could have easily changed the camera angle to just show Cas' head, but instead they had to include the boobs as well. That's fine, but if they're gonna do something like that again I think it'd be a kind gesture if they were to make an option to make the content less explicit, you're not going to seriously say changing the 'camera angle' for a couple scenes is a lot of work right?

Not a lot, but work they probably won't want to do. But if they do want to do it, this is fine with me; I have no interest in how a toggle functions asa long as they don't make the untoggled scene worse.

[Former_Fiend]

Other than the whole "You have no choice but to have sex" part of it. And of course her talking about her previous lover right after having sex with you.

 

Me, personally, I don't see how that's an issue. 

 

As for the first part, I'd be ok with them having a "I want to wait until marriage" dialogue option for the romances, but I think for some romances that should be the equivalent of choosing to end it. Just like you're uncomfortable with pre-marital sex, some people are uncomfortable with waiting that long, or with marriage at all. 

[Gwydden]

Me, personally, I don't see how that's an issue. 

 

As for the first part, I'd be ok with them having a "I want to wait until marriage" dialogue option for the romances, but I think for some romances that should be the equivalent of choosing to end it. Just like you're uncomfortable with pre-marital sex, some people are uncomfortable with waiting that long, or with marriage at all. 

I find the idea of alien species sharing the exact same cultural traditions with humans to be a silly concept. Problem right there.

 

Other than the whole "You have no choice but to have sex" part of it. And of course her talking about her previous lover right after having sex with you.

Oh, but you do have a choice! Just don't pursue her. Easy enough, I think.

[Il Divo]

And the more explicit any part of that becomes, the less control the player has of the character.​

 

 

For me it just comes down to this. I don't find videogame sex to be all that interesting from a character perspective, even when Bioware does follow through on pillow talk. I think ME1 Ashley was the only time I didn't outright hate it. Not that it would ever happen, but if I could get Bioware to revert to fade to black, I'd rather those resources go elsewhere, just from a practicality stand point.

[Gwydden]

For me it just comes down to this. I don't find videogame sex to be all that interesting from a character perspective, even when Bioware does follow through on pillow talk. I think ME1 Ashley was the only time I didn't outright hate it. Not that it would ever happen, but if I could get Bioware to revert to fade to black, I'd rather those resources go elsewhere, just from a practicality stand point.

Please no. If you leave them enough spare resources they might actually add an extra national park the likes of the Hinterlands! I'd rather have actual porn than nature porn 

[Il Divo]

Please no. If you leave them enough spare resources they might actually add an extra national park the likes of the Hinterlands! I'd rather have actual porn than nature porn 

 

Tell you what, let's put our resources together and have them implement both together. Actual porn in the context of nature porn. It's the next step in story-telling. ​

[The Night Haunter]

I find the idea of alien species sharing the exact same cultural traditions with humans to be a silly concept. Problem right there.

 

Oh, but you do have a choice! Just don't pursue her. Easy enough, I think.

But that's cutting out some of the content for people just because it includes a sex scene. The devs have already talked about being open to making sex scenes either skipable (no interactive dialogue in the middle of them) or optional in some of their tweets. So all in all I think this issue has more or less gone as far as it can until a Bioware game gets closer to release (probably Andromeda as that is supposedly the nearest to release). At that point people can bring it up again and then we are more likely to have dev input on this issue.

[Gwydden]

But that's cutting out some of the content for people just because it includes a sex scene.

Err, that's not quite the way I see it. The game's rated M in part because if its sexual content. Anyone who purchases it should expect to encounter such content and is not entitled to special privileges just because they do not want to see it.

 

The devs have already talked about being open to making sex scenes either skipable (no interactive dialogue in the middle of them)

Maybe my memory's fuzzy, but when has there been dialogue in the middle of sex scenes? 

 

or optional in some of their tweets.

Well, DAI already has optional sex scenes for most romances. However, I'm not sure why anyone would expect that of all of them.

[Iakus]

Err, that's not quite the way I see it. The game's rated M in part because if its sexual content. Anyone who purchases it should expect to encounter such content and is not entitled to special privileges just because they do not want to see it.

 

I don't think this question ever got answered:

 

Why is it considered okay to be able to skip past conversations and turn off persistent gore, but it's not okay to have skippable nudity/sex scenes

[The Night Haunter]

Err, that's not quite the way I see it. The game's rated M in part because if its sexual content. Anyone who purchases it should expect to encounter such content and is not entitled to special privileges just because they do not want to see it.

 

 

In some sense sure, but in general EA especially, but Bioware too, want the game to be as accessible to as wide an audience as possible to maximize profits (since EA is full speed on the quantity > quality approach to generating revenue), so from that perspective adding a toggle in the Options that allows explicit content to be hidden (changing camera angles for instance) is a *relatively* low cost (I am going to stress relatively, because it does have a cost, and heavily animated scenes are generally some of the costliest) way to ensure people uncomfortable with nudity, and parents with underage children, can have fun with all aspects of the game.

 

I personally wouldn't care if it is included or not for myself (the toggle would always be off for me anyway), but I don't mind some resources going toward this issue.

 

Maybe my memory's fuzzy, but when has there been dialogue in the middle of sex scenes?  

Well Cass's and Sera's have dialogue in them. Not in the middle of the sex scene sure, but while still nude.

[Paulomedi]

This freaking thread again???

 

[Gwydden]

I don't think this question ever got answered:

 

Why is it considered okay to be able to skip past conversations and turn off persistent gore, but it's not okay to have skippable nudity/sex scenes

I don't think I argued otherwise? Sure, make sex scenes skippable like any other cutscene. No big deal. I did point out it's special treatment I take issue with.

 

In some sense sure, but in general EA especially, but Bioware too, want the game to be as accessible to as wide an audience as possible to maximize profits (since EA is full speed on the quantity > quality approach to generating revenue), so from that perspective adding a toggle in the Options that allows explicit content to be hidden (changing camera angles for instance) is a *relatively* low cost (I am going to stress relatively, because it does have a cost, and heavily animated scenes are generally some of the costliest) way to ensure people uncomfortable with nudity, and parents with underage children, can have fun with all aspects of the game.

 

I personally wouldn't care if it is included or not for myself (the toggle would always be off for me anyway), but I don't mind some resources going toward this issue.

 

Well Cass's and Sera's have dialogue in them. Not in the middle of the sex scene sure, but while still nude.

Ah, but see, that's just the issue. What you're suggesting is that instead of creating the content they want to make, they cater to a tiny prudish minority and avoid having anything important happen in the cutscenes so they can be made optional.

 

You've said it yourself. EA doesn't give a damn about quality, only revenue. Do you really want to encourage that kind of approach in art and entertainment?

[Pasquale1234]

In some sense sure, but in general EA especially, but Bioware too, want the game to be as accessible to as wide an audience as possible to maximize profits (since EA is full speed on the quantity > quality approach to generating revenue), so from that perspective adding a toggle in the Options that allows explicit content to be hidden (changing camera angles for instance) is a *relatively* low cost (I am going to stress relatively, because it does have a cost, and heavily animated scenes are generally some of the costliest) way to ensure people uncomfortable with nudity, and parents with underage children, can have fun with all aspects of the game.
 
I personally wouldn't care if it is included or not for myself (the toggle would always be off for me anyway), but I don't mind some resources going toward this issue.

In terms of investment and resource utilization, the simplest solution would be to simply not create any sex scenes in the first place.

Problem solved.

[Cyonan]

Ah, but see, that's just the issue. What you're suggesting is that instead of creating the content they want to make, they cater to a tiny prudish minority and avoid having anything important happen in the cutscenes so they can be made optional.

 

Nothing important happens in the sex scenes to begin with anyway.

[Iakus]

In terms of investment and resource utilization, the simplest solution would be to simply not create any sex scenes in the first place.

Problem solved.

Heck IB was nearly a race-gated romance because of the difficulty in his interaction with some body types.

 

If anything, a lack of sex scenes would make romances easier to implement

[Gwydden]

In terms of investment and resource utilization, the simplest solution would be to simply not create any sex scenes in the first place.

Problem solved.

I suppose. I wouldn't mind it much. But I would be suspicious of the reason behind such a drop.

 

Nothing important happens in the sex scenes to begin with anyway.

Prudishness is distracting.

 

"Awesome, I cured these werewolves so now they're human again and... Where did the underwear come from?"

 

"The horror! These darkspawn pulled a Jesus on Cailan and nailed him naked to... Well, not naked, per se. They left his underwear. How nice of them."

 

"Traynor? Traynor? Why are you taking a shower with your, ahem...?"

 

Nudity should be presented unashamedly when it makes sense in the context. That includes sex scenes. Anything else I consider to be a childish attitude.

[Pasquale1234]

Heck IB was nearly a race-gated romance because of the difficulty in his interaction with some body types.
 
If anything, a lack of sex scenes would make romances easier to implement

It would undoubtedly be cheaper, and might also open the possibility of having actual body model options for the protag - which I would love.

[Gwydden]

It would undoubtedly be cheaper, and might also open the possibility of having actual body model options for the protag - which I would love.

I think you're overstating the cost of sex scenes by a tremendous amount. You do realize the IB issue was solved by a single developer on his free time? It's just a handful of animations exclusive to one cinematic e.g. nowhere near the equivalent of a full game worth of them.

[BioWareMod02]

Hello everyone. Let's keep it civil in here. Thank you.

[Pasquale1234]

I think you're overstating the cost of sex scenes by a tremendous amount.

Really? Where did I state the cost?

[Cyonan]

Prudishness is distracting.

 

"Awesome, I cured these werewolves so now they're human again and... Where did the underwear come from?"

 

"The horror! These darkspawn pulled a Jesus on Cailan and nailed him naked to... Well, not naked, per se. They left his underwear. How nice of them."

 

"Traynor? Traynor? Why are you taking a shower with your, ahem...?"

 

Nudity should be presented unashamedly when it makes sense in the context. That includes sex scenes. Anything else I consider to be a childish attitude.

 

Well your original point was that having avoidable sex scenes would result in them avoiding having important content during those cutscenes, which there already isn't.

 

Though the fact remains that BioWare isn't creating an adults only game, so it makes sense to not go all out on the explicit content and keep things like nudity largely restricted to the romance arcs.

 

Although the Traynor shower scene should probably never happen again =P

[Gwydden]

Really? Where did I state the cost?

Well, do correct me if I'm wrong, but you said that:

 

[No sex scenes] would undoubtedly be cheaper, and might also open the possibility of having actual body model options for the protag - which I would love.

Which would imply that the the resources freed up by fade to black would not only be enough to make body models for the PC, but that said resources would end up being used for that in the first place.

 

To the former I'll just point out that DA2 and ME2 already had fade to black, and they didn't seem to enjoy all that many resources as a result. The latter I also doubt, since if sex scenes were eliminated the budget would probably stay within the same general department e.g. dialogue and cinematics.

[Gwydden]

Well your original point was that having avoidable sex scenes would result in them avoiding having important content during those cutscenes, which there already isn't.

Cassandra has a pillow talk with the Inquisitor where you can see her bare breasts. That's certainly important within the context of the romance. It makes perfect sense that they would be naked after sex, and I see no reason why they should go out of their way to avoid showing nudity.

 

Though the fact remains that BioWare isn't creating an adults only game, so it makes sense to not go all out on the explicit content and keep things like nudity largely restricted to the romance arcs.

Though their games could hardly be called hardcore (which makes it all the more surprising that anyone takes issue with them, I'd add) I've never gotten the impression young teens were their intended audience.

 

And anyway, it's in the box. The game's got "Blood, Partial Nudity, Sexual Content, Strong Language, Violence" stamped on the front. You can't open the box and then complain you found just that.