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An Open Letter to Bioware Regarding Explicit Content


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AlanC9

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That's not happening at all.
 
I think this is a non-issue. Except in places like India or something. I'm surprised this thread is even that long.
 

It has happened a few times; The Witcher 1, for instance. Usually there's a way for a US player to get his hands on the offending content, though.

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It has happened a few times; The Witcher 1, for instance. Usually there's a way for a US player to get his hands on the offending content, though.

 

Strange. I didn't know. And I don't know why it would happen either. It can't just be the ratings.. maybe something to do with importing?

 

Actually, I remember this happened to Fahrenheight/Indigo Prophecy as well, but that was only the console versions, I think.



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On topic though, I really hope America doesn't get a censored version of this game. I would be very sad. 

 

Regionalization isn't uncommon.

Are you suggesting having content toggles/sliders to give the consumer the ability to set the level of content they would want is better than only being able to access a single version?

 

There is also the option for the developers to create separate explicit content and sell it as DLC instead of including it in the main game.



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Strange. I didn't know. And I don't know why it would happen either. It can't just be the ratings.. maybe something to do with importing?

 

It was the decision of the US publisher, Atari. From memory they were worried about how naked women would affect the game's reception not actual classification issues.

 

Tolerance for nudity in games seems to be growing though.


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There is also the option for the developers to create separate explicit content and sell it as DLC instead of including it in the main game.

 

On a forum full of bad ideas, this stands out as one of the worst.


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Strange. I didn't know. And I don't know why it would happen either. It can't just be the ratings.. maybe something to do with importing?

 

Actually, I remember this happened to Fahrenheight/Indigo Prophecy as well, but that was only the console versions, I think.

 

Probably exceeded some kind of swear-o-meter which meant the game was not suitable for anyone outside of Europe; there ain't no sweary c***s as sweary as them f***in' Lahndun sweary c***s, innit!

 

 

n.b. with proper enunciation there are no 'O's in the word London - true fact.



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On the flip side you'd get to live in London for a few months.

But you still won't have been born in London  :P



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It was the decision of the US publisher, Atari. From memory they were worried about how naked women would affect the game's reception not actual classification issues.

 

They might have been justifiably worried about people actually being able to play the game after getting the first "sex card" made their eyes roll out of their heads and onto the ground.



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Strange. I didn't know. And I don't know why it would happen either. It can't just be the ratings.. maybe something to do with importing?

 

Actually, I remember this happened to Fahrenheight/Indigo Prophecy as well, but that was only the console versions, I think.

When the "Director's Cut" was released it was resubmitted for a new rating.  It got an M instead of AO because the rules have been relaxed a bit.



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There is also the option for the developers to create separate explicit content and sell it as DLC instead of including it in the main game.


This would be a good example of the cure being worse than the disease.
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On a forum full of bad ideas, this stands out as one of the worst.

 

Explain why then.



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This would be a good example of the cure being worse than the disease.

 

How so?



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KaiserShep

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How so?


This isn't new story content that adds to the game; it's basically just bits and pieces of sequences already in the game that would be offered piecemeal, which strikes me as a terrible idea. Why would anyone want to pay for a dialogue patch?
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This isn't new story content that adds to the game; it's basically just bits and pieces of sequences already in the game that would be offered piecemeal, which strikes me as a terrible idea. Why would anyone want to pay for a dialogue patch?

 

A dlc may not necessarily have to be a dialogue patch, nudity patch or other explicit content patch to make the main game M. It could be something like a set of missions with companion dlc that offers M rated content (intoxicants, sex, swearing, graphic violence, nudity). 



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There is also the option for the developers to create separate explicit content and sell it as DLC instead of including it in the main game.

Are you familiar with the reactions to when Total War rome 2 sold graphical fidelity in that manner as a DLC pack, titled blood and gore?

 

Its a pretty good estimation on how both media and gamers would react to such a thing.


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They might have been justifiably worried about people actually being able to play the game after getting the first "sex card" made their eyes roll out of their heads and onto the ground.

If people could handle the ME2 and DAO sex scenes, a sex card is hardly going to be an issue.



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On the flip side you'd get to live in London for a few months.


As if she could afford it. It's criminally expensive here.
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If people could handle the ME2 and DAO sex scenes, a sex card is hardly going to be an issue.

You're going to have to explain the logic behind that.  There's a difference between "awkward underwear scene" and "Sex=Erotic CCG".



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This isn't new story content that adds to the game; it's basically just bits and pieces of sequences already in the game that would be offered piecemeal, which strikes me as a terrible idea. Why would anyone want to pay for a dialogue patch?

To be fair, it could be a Free DLC. Bioware has done that before with ME3 and DAI. Thus the people who want that content don't have to pay for anything. 



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To be fair, it could be a Free DLC. Bioware has done that before with ME3 and DAI. Thus the people who want that content don't have to pay for anything.

Then this brings us right back to the language filter toggle, which is fundamentally no different than this, only now it's just stuff excluded from the game as stock for no particularly good reason. I am glad that BioWare is not likely to bother doing stuff like this.
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You're going to have to explain the logic behind that.  There's a difference between "awkward underwear scene" and "Sex=Erotic CCG".

Because a silly sex card is just as bad as horrible done models wearing ugly undies grinding eachother with horrid animations. In fact DAO is worse then sex cards because at least it was drawn and looks like nudie art. Poor nudie art, but it still had a sense of effort put into it. 


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Hanako Ikezawa

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Then this brings us right back to the language filter toggle, which is fundamentally no different than this, only now it's just stuff excluded from the game as stock for no particularly good reason. I am glad that BioWare is not likely to bother doing stuff like this.

Oh, I agree that this is not the best route for them to take. I was just addressing your point of people having to pay for the extra content. 



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Because a silly sex card is just as bad as horrible done models wearing ugly undies grinding eachother with horrid animations. In fact DAO is worse then sex cards because at least it was drawn and looks like nudie art. Poor nudie art, but it still had a sense of effort put into it. 

Yeah, but on the plus side, you could hit a button and skip right past the ugly undies.

 

Does the Witcher give the same courtesy with their nude scenes?



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Yeah, but on the plus side, you could hit a button and skip right past the ugly undies.

 

Does the Witcher give the same courtesy with their nude scenes?

You can skip the sex scenes in TW2/3 and the sex card in TW is showed very fast and never shown again unless you purposely look for it.



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A dlc may not necessarily have to be a dialogue patch, nudity patch or other explicit content patch to make the main game M. It could be something like a set of missions with companion dlc that offers M rated content (intoxicants, sex, swearing, graphic violence, nudity). 

 

This strikes me as being a bit like the Bioware fans who insisted that it would be a good idea for Bioware to give us the option to play as the Warden in DA:I since anyone who didn't enjoy it could simply play as the Inquisitor.

 

Given the almost non-existent support for this feature, redesigning the experience around a (literal) handful of people generally isn't the best idea. Basically, it's not worth the effort for the redesign just so the main game can avoid all foul language.


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