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[Donk]

My parents were cool, but my grandparents were much different.

 

I'm cool with religious beliefs, but I was just a kid who liked art. Some people can be extreme.

 

Yep and wanna ruin everybody's fun in the process.

 

My boggle is genuine about Dorian and Kaidan (Kaidan!) being used as examples of 'behavior bordering on sexual harassment' I mean really.

 

Before I joined the BSN, I could never imagine complaining about anything. Nearly a year after joining however, I find myself watching stuff on TV.. playing games, reading books and wondering, "Would people complain about this? Oh sh*t.. did I just see somebody's head get sliced off? Oh no, is my favourite show gonna get banned now?"

 

I'm totally cool with an "explicit content" toggle. However, what determines explicity or offensive? It's according to whatever nutjob is sitting in front of the screen.

 

See the example you mentioned.

[Han Shot First]

Mature or not, I wish my grandparents bought me stuff like that.

 

I remember my grandpa raised hell about devil worship, when I wanted some D&D type of artbook.

[straykat]

 

Jack Chick is the furthest thing from Christianity in my mind...

 

But yeah.

 

/offtopic

 

 

Good artwork though, tbh

[Han Shot First]

Jack Chick is the furthest thing from Christianity in my mind...

 

But yeah.

 

/offtopic

 

 

Good artwork though, tbh

 

His comics are great for unintentional hilarity, though. 

[SardaukarElite]

I'm totally cool with an "explicit content" toggle. However, what determines explicity or offensive? It's according to whatever nutjob is sitting in front of the screen.

 

Who toggles the Togglemen?

[KaiserShep]

Jack Chick is the furthest thing from Christianity in my mind...
 
But yeah.
 
/offtopic
 
 
Good artwork though, tbh

It's more along the lines of the circus tent churches, where some charlatan will smack yo fo'head to cast away the devil and cause a righteous conniption fit.

[Iakus]

Oh look, we're back to the whole "You're just a religious zealot" ad hominem argument

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Same can be said about Thane, yet you dont mention him.

But I guess since Thane is a male so it isnt an issue ha?

No, it's because the person I responded to mentioned Samara specifically. I feel the same way towards any character with an outfit that wouldn't work. 

[Donk]

Oh look, we're back to the whole "You're just a religious zealot" ad hominem argument

Wot.

It just came up in conversation.

Besides, religious zealouts are lyk sthooooo laszth centeri.

It's all about the SJWs now

[Chealec]

I find tats on a woman repulsive...

 

I read that as t*ts and assumed you were into chubby men for a moment...

[OriginalTibs]

It's rated Mature. Why would you buy them to children grand or otherwise? And if your grandchildren are Adults who's the intended viewer of the game, why would you have to explain anything to their parents?



Im genuinely boggled.

My grandchildren aren't adults or it wouldn't be an issue for me.

 

I understand that the game is clearly labelled 'Mature', but the quality of the story, the development of the characters, the plot and subplots are all wonderful and artfully crafted. I wish to provide to my grandkids such a tale as it is wonderfully told.

 

I was expressing a preference, a wish, that there were a way for the young to engage in the richness of these conversations with diverse characters who are straight and others who are gay and others who are bisexual without it inevitably leading to a sexual encounter.

 

Engaging in conversation as a male with a male friend who happens to be gay does not result in my being gay. My friends are as respectful of my straight preferences as I am respectful of theirs.

 

I believe it would be a greater good to teach mutual respect and sensitivity, that meaningful conversations are not always foreplay.
 

I wasn't at all trolling. I consider it a missed opportunity for our shared gaming culture to nurture mutual tolerance and respect between the LGBT and straight cultures just as sensitively as we should between men and women.

 

When there is potential romance between male and female characters it can actually be difficult to discover the exact combination of choices and timing in the plot to reach a romantic relationship (I am mostly thinking of one of the mass effect romance options between male shep and Ashley). Yet a romantic relationhip with LGBT characters is almost unavoidble unless the player is already aware of what those heart tips mean.

 

Or do LGBT enthusiasts really believe that all non-sexual relationships must be kept shallow unless the objective of both parties is to engage in sex?

[pra_viilon]

My grandchildren aren't adults or it wouldn't be an issue for me.

 

I understand that the game is clearly labelled 'Mature', but the quality of the story, the development of the characters, the plot and subplots are all wonderful and artfully crafted. I wish to provide to my grandkids such a tale as it is wonderfully told.

 

I was expressing a preference, a wish, that there were a way for the young to engage in the richness of these conversations with diverse characters who are straight and others who are gay and others who are bisexual without it inevitably leading to a sexual encounter.

 

Engaging in conversation as a male with a male friend who happens to be gay does not result in my being gay. My friends are as respectful of my straight preferences as I am respectful of theirs.

 

I believe it would be a greater good to teach mutual respect and sensitivity, that meaningful conversations are not always foreplay.
 

I wasn't at all trolling. I consider it a missed opportunity for our shared gaming culture to nurture mutual tolerance and respect between the LGBT and straight cultures just as sensitively as we should between men and women.

 

When there is potential romance between male and female characters it can actually be difficult to discover the exact combination of choices and timing in the plot to reach a romantic relationship (I am mostly thinking of one of the mass effect romance options between male shep and Ashley). Yet a romantic relationhip with LGBT characters is almost unavoidble unless the player is already aware of what those heart tips mean.

 

Or do LGBT enthusiasts really believe that all non-sexual relationships must be kept shallow unless the objective of both parties is to engage in sex?

 

LGBT are a minority, and I guess that has a certain effect on how they approach the relationship paradigm, and how their searching for a partner philosophy works. Knowing that from RL, I was not bothered at all with all the LGBT romances in ME.

Coming back on topic: I really wish ME2 and ME3 had more nudity, and some sort of nudity-off switch, enabled by default. Just for the good press sake. Maybe even asking for your birth date before allowing you to toggle the nudity on. 

[9TailsFox]

LGBT are a minority, and I guess that has a certain effect on how they approach the relationship paradigm, and how their searching for a partner philosophy works. Knowing that from RL, I was not bothered at all with all the LGBT romances in ME.

Coming back on topic: I really wish ME2 and ME3 had more nudity, and some sort of nudity-off switch, enabled by default. Just for the good press sake. Maybe even asking for your birth date before allowing you to toggle the nudity on. 

It ask your birth date. you must be 18 or older. We don't need toggle because you shouldn't be playing game in the first place.

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[KaiserShep]

I still think explicit material toggles are dumb. A better solution is simply having more options in how to deal with your PC's love interest without your only options being stay and f**k me or get the hell out of my cabin, though how this works should depend on the companion's personality. 

[pra_viilon]

It ask your birth date. you must be 18 or older. We don't need toggle because you shouldn't be playing game in the first place.

 

Yeah sure, but if those +18 and other labels on the games would really be obeyed by all the people who buy the games, then EA's sales would drop quite significantly. But that's a topic for another discussion anyway. 

[Stakrin]

I don't think you can get away from even a small amount of gore when a game is 85% combat. As for nudity it only happens in select romances if you choose to pursue the romance content, and as for language...why limit the writers in an adult game with an adult rating? The language is not that bad from what I recall in all games. I've only heard the 'heavier' swear words being used in both mass effect and dragon age combined less than 10 times.

Both the series were never meant to be for younger audiences, regardless if people choose to ignore it.

Alien homonoid flower blood. Boom.

I wouldn't mind them adding toggles. Maybe it would take a bit extra time to develop a feature I won't use, but other people would also get maximum enjoyment none-the-less, while it wouldn't take away from my own.

[9TailsFox]

Yeah sure, but if those +18 and other labels on the games would really be obeyed by all the people who buy the games, then EA's sales would drop quite significantly. But that's a topic for another discussion anyway. 

I buy 18+ games since I was 14 if I was younger than 18 i shouldn't have mass effect game in the first place, and bioware shouldn't care label exist it's irrelevant if younger people play it, it's not bioware job to uphold the law.

[Seraphim24]

By that standard ME2 should be considered the worst game in the series as a huge chunk of it is basically pandering to the needs of your space buddy NPCs - the loyalty missions aren't romance necessarily but they are all about "another person and their issues, concerns, desires, problems, hopes, whatever". Yet ME2 is considered by many to be the best game in the trilogy.

 

Right, part of why ME2 is the worst game in the series.

 

Anyway, for people who actively played the CRPGs from which ME is descended and can trace it's roots back, ME2 is obviously just a modern AAA glossy cover shooter. The "many" people are probably people who started playing Bioware games on console or something and simply haven't played the other games or at least in depth.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Right, part of why ME2 is the worst game in the series.

 

[Seboist]

Right, part of why ME2 is the worst game in the series.

 

Anyway, for people who actively played the CRPGs from which ME is descended and can trace it's roots back, ME2 is obviously just a modern AAA glossy cover shooter. The "many" people are probably people who started playing Bioware games on console or something and simply haven't played the other games or at least in depth.

 

Given that ME2 lacks even basic features of the TPS genre that Gears of War 1 had back in '06 such as rolling and going from cover to cover, it isn't. That, combined with ME2 shedding any pretense of being an RPG,  makes ME2 a sub-standard TPS by any measure. What saves it as a game is the TPS and casting hybrid gameplay, that they didn't manage to refine properly until ME3.

 

And don't get me started on how clueless a lot of people in this fanbase are about gaming. I've seen some of the most ridiculous statements on here by people, from them saying ME2 has better mechanics than Gears, JRPGs being slammed for being "linear" and "railroaded" while praising the ME games with a complete lack of self-awareness(not to mention there being various JRPGs that wipe the floor with ME in that department) and just yesterday, I saw someone stating 99% of video game protagonists are "straight white males". Smh

[Il Divo]

Right, part of why ME2 is the worst game in the series.

 

Anyway, for people who actively played the CRPGs from which ME is descended and can trace it's roots back, ME2 is obviously just a modern AAA glossy cover shooter. The "many" people are probably people who started playing Bioware games on console or something and simply haven't played the other games or at least in depth.

 

 

Or it is possible many of us have played them all and just thought most of the old games were terrible.
 

[Andrew Lucas]

Oh yeah, ME2's gameplay can be very underwhelming. ME3 got it much better, but it's not even up there with Gears 2 in the TPS genre. No doubt.

[rashie]

Right, part of why ME2 is the worst game in the series.

 

Anyway, for people who actively played the CRPGs from which ME is descended and can trace it's roots back, ME2 is obviously just a modern AAA glossy cover shooter. The "many" people are probably people who started playing Bioware games on console or something and simply haven't played the other games or at least in depth.

For the record, I've played PC bioware rpg's since the black isle/interplay days, and even I think ME2 is a better game mechanically than the huge screw-up ME1 was, its difficulty curve is hilariously broken along with containing both stat driven and manual aiming all at the same time, which is just terrible. It was never very strong for being an rpg, and neither was its predecessor kotor 1 whom suffers from similar issues in regards to lack of challenging deep gameplay.

 

That's not to stay ME2 is a good TPS game either, there's features in games like uncharted 1 and gears that Bioware still hasn't done by ME3 in 2012.

[wolfhowwl]

ME2's gameplay was widely seen as improvement because it was actually playable which is an improvement over ME1.

[Il Divo]

For the record, I've played PC bioware rpg's since the black isle/interplay days, and even I think ME2 is a better game mechanically than the huge screw-up ME1 was, its difficulty curve is hilariously broken along with containing both stat driven and manual aiming all at the same time, which is just terrible. It was never very strong for being an rpg, and neither was its predecessor kotor 1 whom suffers from similar issues in regards to lack of challenging deep gameplay.

 

That's not to stay ME2 is a good TPS game either, there's features in games like uncharted 1 and gears that Bioware still hasn't done by ME3 in 2012.

 

 

Much as I might love KotOR, this hits the nail right on the head. I always forget how awkward the movement mechanics were, among a million other things.

 

In general though, Bioware's cRPG's were a mixed bag for a number of reasons. The first time I played Baldur's Gate 1 was actually right after ME2. I appreciated the legacy, but after a lot of build-up about how amazing the narrative/characters were, I was more than a bit disappointed.