It is my hope the moderation will be more robust to allow the conversation to develop into that area. I would like to share but it doesn't seem a safe place to do so currently.
No I disagree with your letter. Bioware, please do not think the OP's views represent the way you should go.
Thank you for clarifying it was a *big ole hug*
"Safe" seems like an odd concept to deploy here. What would a lack of safety look like? Merciless mockery of your position? That wouldn't actually be a problem for you, unless the mockery was justified. It'd just make your critics look bad.
It isn't odd at all. Perhaps you should read the site rules.
Specifically to this case, if you dislike a position or think it doesn't have merit attack the points made not the person. If that isn't possible. Silence.
If moderation doesn't control disruptive and immature behavior then the posters under personal attack are left to defend themselves. Often this derails conversations or degrades the conversations to conform to a baseline.
This potential direction of conversation on sexual themes sublimated in the Noveria mission is a continuation of an already provocative subject that requires thought and contemplation. Two conditions that are challenging for many who would prefer to remain at their baseline understanding but is too enticing to ignore. This creates a restless state of mind that results in disruptive unnecessary outbursts not against the words spoken -that would require thought!- but the speaker.
Anyhow, this is off topic but it seemed necessary to clarify.
^That doesn't make your use of the word safe any less accurate. And it doesn't help make your attempts at subverting the subject, which you've tried to do multiple times in multiple threads with half-baked arguments, any more worthy of applause. Your latest example being the "there is more than minimal support for a toggle based on this thread", which is pretty untenable.
Of course. We had that happen over on the DA:I board today when Qis couldn't handle everybody disagreeing with him about firearms in DAI. But refraining from a topic because you're worried that the thread might degrade? I don't understand how thread degradation is your problem. If people blow up the thread, they blow it up.It isn't odd at all. Perhaps you should read the site rules.
Specifically to this case, if you dislike a position or think it doesn't have merit attack the points made not the person. If that isn't possible. Silence
If moderation doesn't control disruptive and immature behavior then the posters under personal attack are left to defend themselves. Often this derails conversations or degrades the conversations to conform to a baseline.
I think you're got the process completely wrong here -- when a thread blows up like that it's almost always because someone is posting something that people think is simply nonsense. You can't be challenged by nonsense. (Whether it's actually nonsense isn't all that relevant.)This potential direction of conversation on sexual themes sublimated in the Noveria mission is a continuation of an already provocative subject that requires thought and contemplation. Two conditions that are challenging for many who would prefer to remain at their baseline understanding but is too enticing to ignore. This creates a restless state of mind that results in disruptive unnecessary outbursts not against the words spoken -that would require thought!- but the speaker.
Of course. We had that happen over on the DA:I board today when Qis couldn't handle everybody disagreeing with him about firearms in DAI. But refraining from a topic because you're worried that the thread might degrade? I don't understand how thread degradation is your problem. If people blow up the thread, they blow it up.
I think you're got the process completely wrong here -- when a thread blows up like that it's almost always because someone is posting something that people think is simply nonsense. You can't be challenged by nonsense. (Whether it's actually nonsense isn't all that relevant.)
I don't think we can test that theory until you deliver the challenge, though.
The continuation of this thread is important to all who value the content and direction of this thread not only one person.
If site rules aren't being violated by a posters content and valid responses within site rules cannot be made then simply ignore or use the ignore feature. There is no need to harass another user and no justification.
That is the last I'll say on this matter within this thread. If you wish to discuss this more with me or anyone else start a thread in BioWare Forum/BSN Help .
The challenge had already started. Fortunately, there was one who could engage the challenge with vigor, intelligence and respect. For that I am grateful.
Brilliant deconstruction. You should be proud of yourself.
I dunno. I thought it was funny.
Of course, the crown jewel of Noveria is Benezia's chilling delivery of her final words.
I don't see a light - they said there would be a...
In general, I thought the Liara/Benezia dynamic was weak all around: boss fight, dialogue, aesthetics, etc.
In general, I thought the Liara/Benezia dynamic was weak all around: boss fight, dialogue, aesthetics, etc.
Goodnight, little wing.
I dunno. I thought it was funny.
Of course, the crown jewel of Noveria is Benezia's chilling delivery of her final words.
I don't see a light - they said there would be a...
What do you think those final words meant to her character?
On one level, it seemed to say something prevented the natural death experience of the Asari. This can be representative as an examination of the little death within an aspect of the archetype of the Ice Queen but that is another matter to be discussed later, maybe.
Probably that Marina Sirtis should have taken the role a little more seriously.
What do you think those final words meant to her character?
On one level, it seemed to say something prevented the natural death experience of the Asari. This can be representative as an examination of the little death within an aspect of the archetype of the Ice Queen but that is another matter to be discussed later, maybe.
Perhaps, but at that moment, the only thing I could think of was the avalanche of cheese that buried me. A FedEx truck crashing through my window would be a better delivery.
Hope you have a filter in your brain for when you go to a beach or swimming pool, you'll see about as much "explicit" content there as in any ME game........
Gore filters have definitely been used in gaming. "Adult Situations and Nudity" (to quote old cable tv guides) filters, not quite as often, but they have been used, even in Leisure Suit Larry II (although it was pretty easy to disable). I don't recall a catastrophic meltdown of innovation in the gaming industry or LOLcensorship!! because of any of this. In fact, I remember when Joe Lieberman first got the legislation passed creating the ESRB, everyone was like "They're gonna take away my MOARDUL KOMBAT!!," but within a couple of years nobody seemed to even know what the ESRB or an "M" rating was, at least based on the number of parents shopping at my store who had no clue what they were buying for their kids.
Examples of Explicit Gore Follow!!!:
The belief in Gaia or, preferably, panpsychism isn't necessary to construct or understand an artistic piece. A romance can be communicated by sound that doesn't mean the sound is the romance. Noveria is, in a base sense, a computer program. The art is in what it being communicated by that programming. All the elements come together to convey a theme. In the case of Noveria, it's the Ice Queen.
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As to the isolated. Perhaps Emotionally Isolated would be better. There is a distance between the Ice Queen and the rest of the world not imparted from their worldly status which isn't a necessity to be an Ice Queen.
I think you're overthinking it... I don't honestly believe that BioWare, at any point, had to act like a Fine Art student and attempt to justify their work with pretentious, tenuous explanations as to their "motivations behind the piece". I was a Fine Art student - it was never enough to say "well, you know, I kinda wanted to see what would happen if I just welded that lump of metal to that one, stood back and see what it looked like" (even if that was the truth) - you were expected to provide some sort of emotional or rationalised reasoning behind your work ... it was BS then and I think it would be BS now if BioWare did try to explain their game that way.
I think you're seeing something that isn't there - endowing something that's little more than comic book pulp fiction, made into a game, with some kind of overarching, cohesive, philosophical intent. There would have been an artistic vision of course, but I doubt it would have gone beyond "hey, this would look cool with snow!" ... and, you know what, I'm much happier with the honesty of that.
I think you're overthinking it... I don't honestly believe that BioWare, at any point, had to act like a Fine Art student and attempt to justify their work with pretentious, tenuous explanations as to their "motivations behind the piece". I was a Fine Art student - it was never enough to say "well, you know, I kinda wanted to see what would happen if I just welded that lump of metal to that one, stood back and see what it looked like" (even if that was the truth) - you were expected to provide some sort of emotional or rationalised reasoning behind your work ... it was BS then and I think it would be BS now if BioWare did try to explain their game that way.
I think you're seeing something that isn't there - endowing something that's little more than comic book pulp fiction, made into a game, with some kind of overarching, cohesive, philosophical intent. There would have been an artistic vision of course, but I doubt it would have gone beyond "hey, this would look cool with snow!" ... and, you know what, I'm much happier with the honesty of that.
Agreed, in this instance, this seems like another subversive attempt to condemn explicit content, only now on the grounds of "if only Bioware would make their games with the artistic wonder of Noveria". The arguments change like the days of the week with this one.
All that aside, even hearing Bioware talking about their own products, there's a down to earth approach to most of their comments that really isn't present in this analysis.
I was a Fine Art student
You poor thing. You are entirely correct though; there is a lot of attempts by people to make it appear deeper and more thoughtful than it is.
Look at Miranda - on one level you can say she is an interesting deconstruction of a initially emotional distant person whose outward appearance is undermined by complex deep rooted psychological issues around her upbringing and desire to show her worth.
Unfortunately it's undermined by biowares preference for Look at the arse and knockers on that! Pwhoaaarrrrrrr!! LOOK AT HER ARSE LADS! Even better she needs a strong guy in her life to replace her father figure - that's you, you chiselled jawed power fantasy! Let's have it one more time for her ARSE!
So yes. Fine art.
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For someone to negatively criticize Miranda's arse, you sure took a long look and at her boobs too! Pathetic.
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For someone to negatively criticize Miranda's arse, you sure took a long look and at her boobs too! Pathetic.
Miranda's arse itself is worthy of considerable praise, and I would condemn no man (or woman if your tastes tend that way) for spending a considerable amount of time admiring it. Whether the thinking behind (no pun intended) it being in the game in that form is likewise worthy of such admiration is....debatable.
Miranda's arse itself is worthy of considerable praise, and I would condemn no man (or woman if your tastes tend that way) for spending a considerable amount of time admiring it. Whether the thinking behind (no pun intended) it being in the game in that form is likewise worthy of such admiration is....debatable.
been late do nt really know the arument but yeah:
Miranda and Jack were great female characters. I loved both of them.
and yeah miranda's assets (oun intended) should be there.
I personally think that Jack and Miranda don't really work as characters (especially in me2) if you play as femshep. Jack even pretty much shuts you down if you are female.
Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.
They still should both work, because they represent different sides of the Cerberus angle.
I never played Femshep though.. I'm sure there's something left to be desired on the personal end.
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