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[Il Divo]

At the least, it makes for a nice change of pace to being defeated before destroying the world. Kinda Watchmen-esque. 

[wyrdx]

Miranda was kind of cute, look all the Bioware characters tend to be a bit cute regardless of whatever clothes they are or aren't wearing.

 

The OP obviously was thinking of Cassandra's boobs or something and yet it's like how different is it when she's wearing clothes?

 

Look, people that like to have lots of sex or whatever, people's brains and emotions will process that, regardless of what they do or present at any particular moment.

 

There are lots of people, in other media, that seem like the types that have a lot of sex with a lot of different women or men as the case m ay be, do we have this in front of us photographically at that second? No. Heck maybe it's just something they've done, and now they are in front of you wearing clothes, but you can feel it anyway, that's just how people's brains work.

 

Does Merrill or even Miranda have a lot of sex with a lot of different men? No, at least, not compared to this other random person or even standard, consequently, no matter how many clothes she is or is not wearing, I regard them as a person as less "explicit" if that makes sense.

 

If someone deep down is a type that has lots of sex or just treats themselves with a lot of sexual carnage, my brain and other people will view and feel from them as such regardless of whether or not they are wearing clothes or what they are doing at that  moment, and vice versa if they don't.

 

I mean I've seen pictures of what may qualify as "pornography" in United States or something, but not view it as very explicit if at all. In fact, if you think about it images of a naked person do not really say anything about them sexually, a person could have pictures of themselves naked around the internet and it would qualify as "pornography" but that person could still be a virgin and have never had sex (because, it is just a naked person)

 

In fact, that person could probably qualify as a softcore porn adult film star and yet never also have literally never had sexual intercourse in their life, that's how backwards sexual explictness is treated.

 

Better to just look at a person, what are they like? Not the afterimages and effects.

 

Like I said, with Bioware no matter how explicit it is does not seem very sexually motivated, it is in the middle somewhere, like between something highly graphic and something more virginal, and it doesn't depend at all on what the characters are wearing or whatever at any moment really.

 

People's brains and emotions do process the perception of sexual depictions but it isn't necessary for them to be explicit or even readily apparent to the conscious processes. It is that some minds are so mechanical and numb only the most overt explicit images make any conscious impression. This is individual and not based on nationality, gender, race or belief system.

[AlanC9]

People's brains and emotions do process the perception of sexual depictions but it isn't necessary for them to be explicit or even readily apparent to the conscious processes. It is that some minds are so mechanical and numb only the most overt explicit images make any conscious impression. This is individual and not based on nationality, gender, race or belief system.

Process it how, though? I'm not sure how this would be useful to Bio. Or is this a tangent with no real relevance to design?

[Il Divo]

Process it how, though? I'm not sure how this would be useful to Bio. Or is this a tangent with no real relevance to design?

 

This also begs the question: why intentionally design your game that way? Sure, people have written amazing stories without explicit content that are considered "artistic". Yet people also write amazing stories with explicit content that are considered "artistic". That's not exactly a reason for intentional exclusion of it any more than the claim that it opens the game up to a wider audience. 

[wyrdx]

Process it how, though? I'm not sure how this would be useful to Bio. Or is this a tangent with no real relevance to design?

 

When was the last time you beat your wife?

It relates to design in the sense that explicit content doesn't need to be overt. 

[Heimdall]

Wait... he's defeated after he destroys the world?

Anyway, I'm glad to see that the thread's moving in a more productive direction.

Well, it still existed... But it was a dying wasteland.

It got better.

[wyrdx]

I'm all for trying to analyze things in a different way, like comparing a setting to a character archetype. I can roll with that. But so far I don't see a comparison, just that some words for the specific setting and the archetype match and that's it. (Noveria has ice. Ice Queen. Queen being a female in a position of power, Benezia.)

For example:


"On one level" There is an implication in this statement that there must be another level, another interpretation. Where is it?

Then "it seemed to say something prevented the natural death experience of the Asari" She mentions a light, like in the human myth of the light at the end of the tunnel you're supposed to see when you die, thing is, it is a myth because no one has come back from death to talk about it. Except Shepard in the ME setting, and Shep never talks about it. I just don't think there was ever a specific death experience to the asari that was different from the rest of species.

"This can be representative as an examination of the little death within an aspect of the archetype of the Ice Queen" Personally, as a linguist, I think the phrase would be better if you cut out "as an examination" because she just dies and we don't see much focus on Benezia herself, more on the Rachni Queen or on how Liara deals with the event of her mother being dead, no examination on my opinion. I also don't see a connection with her literal death to the metaphorical little death in the archetype, aside that they're the same word, using as mentioned the literal and metaphorical meaning. She tried to infiltrate the organization of someone she considered to be an enemy, Saren, to try to prevent his plans and due to Sovereign ended up being what she pretended to be. If anything her death has more to do with the death of a tragic hero than with the little death of the Ice Queen archetype.

 

 

It's important to clarify that the "Ice Queen" archetype doesn't need to have the status of a leader. It is an indicator of world view, personality and behavior. It isn't based on physical gender either.

 

Yes, there is more than one way of interpreting those last words but that gets into exploring the idea of Asari religion, the human understanding of death and the concept of samadhi. 

Benezia, representing a facsimile of an Ice Queen, experiences a null samadhi as there is no her anymore; she has been consumed, at least in part, during indoctrination. The little death in terms of the larger scope of the Ice Queen, of which Benezia is a fake, represents that without self actualization there is a lack of connection that creates a situation where the orgasmic experience cannot happen in the experiential realm of the Ice Queen. There is lack of elements and no combustion.

[Lady Artifice]

I realize this is probably a very controversial statement, but... I think you tend to age out of them. I haven't been able to stomach one since high school.

 

I couldn't really stomach one in high school. I know it's just a personal idiosyncrasy though, because I could still stomach Star Trek TNG, and that's at least as cheesy. It's weird because I did kind of want to like it. I like the idea of it. I just don't really like...it. 

[Puddi III]

The only thing I aged out of is my old playstation systems.

 

But it's all daijoubu now.

 

[Former_Fiend]

You know, I'm not even going to read back on the last few pages to see how this thread went down this particular rabbit hole. I'm pretty sure I just do not want to know.

[Seraphim24]

People's brains and emotions do process the perception of sexual depictions but it isn't necessary for them to be explicit or even readily apparent to the conscious processes. It is that some minds are so mechanical and numb only the most overt explicit images make any conscious impression. This is individual and not based on nationality, gender, race or belief system.

 

Well wait a sec that's not what I said.

 

Imagine someone just fully clothed talking about sex and being very graphic.

 

It's still feeling very explicit right? I'm just questioning the genesis of the idea that breasts or butt = explicit. Explicit or non-explicit is more of an experience motivated by a large number of factors.

 

Like that guy in GoT, the uh Wildling commander leader he's talking about how to have sex in this way or that, it feels explicit or graphic but it isn't.

[Chealec]

People's brains and emotions do process the perception of sexual depictions but it isn't necessary for them to be explicit or even readily apparent to the conscious processes. It is that some minds are so mechanical and numb only the most overt explicit images make any conscious impression. This is individual and not based on nationality, gender, race or belief system.

 

... or conversely some people's minds are so sexually charged that they see sexual content where none exists.

 

Is a naked woman inherently sexual content for a straight male? In the context of a life studies class, no... no more so than a bowl of fruit, or a ram's skull. It's the same thing, a study in line, tone, texture and colour - the actual subject matter becomes largely irrelevant beyond these concerns.

 

Strangely naked men are actually harder to get "right" in a life study than naked women - and not just the genitalia - the female form is more varied in proportion and shape so it's more forgiving of mistakes.

[Lady Luminous]

I've been trying to figure out my thoughts on this without feeling like a hypocrite for weeks, and I think I've finally sorted it out.

I enjoy sex or after sex scenes when I feel they've been done well and progress the story or romance along, and yes I'll admit that I do enjoy looking at the nudity in these scenes; if that makes me a perv or dumb then okay, fine.

I enjoyed lounging around with Bull naked after sex; when I'm with my sweetie I don't imediately get dressed afterwards, we cuddle and chat. I think the scene is lovely and realistic.

Now, having Miranda's ass gratuitously thrust in my face when I have no interest in her is bloody annoying, and I feel takes away from the seriousness of a number of scenes.

[Former_Fiend]

I've been trying to figure out my thoughts on this without feeling like a hypocrite for weeks, and I think I've finally sorted it out.

I enjoy sex or after sex scenes when I feel they've been done well and progress the story or romance along, and yes I'll admit that I do enjoy looking at the nudity in these scenes; if that makes me a perv or dumb then okay, fine.

I enjoyed lounging around with Bull naked after sex; when I'm with my sweetie I don't imediately get dressed afterwards, we cuddle and chat. I think the scene is lovely and realistic.

Now, having Miranda's ass gratuitously thrust in my face when I have no interest in her is bloody annoying, and I feel takes away from the seriousness of a number of scenes.

 

That's not hypocritical at all. That's recognizing that it's a more complex issue than "all explicit content is bad", and that how it's implemented is important.  

[Lady Luminous]

That's not hypocritical at all. That's recognizing that it's a more complex issue than "all explicit content is bad", and that how it's implemented is important.

Thank you! It's taken me a while to figure out why I hate bikini armour, but am okay with sex scenes, lol.

[Ahglock]

I realize this is probably a very controversial statement, but... I think you tend to age out of them. I haven't been able to stomach one since high school.

People change when they age. I'm not sure I'd callitage out in this case as it implies maturity = dislike of JRPGs.

I still play them though the changes made to them making then more action based and less menu based is driving me away. I liked and stil like turn based combat in its various interpretations. FFxii is the last final fantasy I liked. It stil felt like a FF game. I played it on my PS3 just a couple years ago. I play 7 and 8 on steam occasionally.

[9TailsFox]

Thank you! It's taken me a while to figure out why I hate bikini armour, but am okay with sex scenes, lol.

[Seraphim24]

I actually have no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm too confused by your wording. 

 

I'm just going to copy paste another response I made here..

 

Imagine someone just fully clothed talking about sex and being very graphic.

 

It's still feeling very explicit right? I'm just questioning the genesis of the idea that breasts or butt = explicit. Explicit or non-explicit is more of an experience motivated by a large number of factors.

 

Like that guy in GoT, the uh Wildling commander leader he's talking about how to have sex in this way or that, it feels explicit or graphic but it isn't.

 

 

[Iakus]

 

I'm just going to copy paste another response I made here..

 

Imagine someone just fully clothed talking about sex and being very graphic.

 

It's still feeling very explicit right? I'm just questioning the genesis of the idea that breasts or butt = explicit. Explicit or non-explicit is more of an experience motivated by a large number of factors.

 

Like that guy in GoT, the uh Wildling commander leader he's talking about how to have sex in this way or that, it feels explicit or graphic but it isn't.

 

 

 

Explicit language is certainly a thing.  And something that can make people uncomfortable.

 

But some people are more comfortable with language than nudity.  And the reverse is also true.  

[Seraphim24]

Explicit language is certainly a thing.  And something that can make people uncomfortable.

 

But some people are more comfortable with language than nudity.  And the reverse is also true.  

 

Not sure anyone has ever treated language on the same level as nakedness

 

Er well except for that Elhanan guy here that bobs around sometimes...

 

To be honest dishonesty is for whatever reason the things that grinds my gears the most. The violence and the naked shepard and the gore is like whatever, when someone is presenting one thing and but often is or feels another, that is the most explicit thing to me.

 

Of course people do that for obvious reasons, the truth is likely unsavory in those instances.

[Caldari Ghost]

You're wrong there as well.
 
Banshees

body horror

I don't follow

[Commander Rpg]

Is it that difficult to ask to not have videogame porn? If I want skimpy alienettes or stuff like this, I can simply buy a Leisure Suit Larry which, with it being (in)famous for the porn representations, at least it has a good gameplay.

[SNascimento]

A subtle take on sexual matters would fit Mass Effect tone very well... something like Bernard Cornwell's books. 

[Sartoz]

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For balance viewpoint(s), I ask Bio to give us the options of dressing out main character in a skin suit (Fallout 4 anyone?).  Add, the ability to customize the colour. If the CC can give us the ability to customize the body, that's an added plus.

 

Oh, make sure the game is rated MM = mature, mature....  which it ought to be for its extreme violence, death and dismemberment scenes.

[chem light]

Admittedly, I have a fairly dark sense of humor.  Call it a defense mechanism.  Most of my life I have worked with and among people that society would consider "rough around the edges" and that's putting it politely.  But I also know when to turn it off and on....most of the time.  My prior military friends, my EMS friends...they will have a different idea of casual conversation than say, the waitress pouring me a cup of coffee.

 

Why do I tell you this?  Because I want to impress people with the fact that I can use profanity so creatively and so eloquently that Jack would blush to hear me speak?  No.  Honestly, I'm sometimes embarrased by that.  I simply felt the need to preface my next comments with that bit of personal information less I get inundated with posts deriding my virgin ears.  My ears, my eyes, trust me, their innocence is long gone.

 

I kinda understand where the OP is coming from.  A person who wants more explicit content can always go out and seek more explicit content.  But the person who is trying to avoid it?  Once exposed, they can never get it out of their head again.  I probably could have earned another degree in the amount of time I spent playing ME:1.  So I'm comfortable saying, that I think if we're honest with ourselves, that game was probably the "cleanest" out of triology, but no less intense.  Besides a Sheperd telling the council to kiss her a$$ and Harkin making some comments about STDs, the language was pretty tame.  Yes, the infamous sex scene that one news station went beserk on and admitted that they hadn't even played the game in the same coverage.  It was a few seconds and awfully sweet.

 

Yet, I don't feel like ME:1 was somehow less "adult."  We need to remind ourselves sex and profanity isn't what makes something mature.  Its gravity does that.  Its relevance does that.  Its voice.  Its themes.  Its satement.

 

I have seen death.  I have seen the people it left behind.  I have had sex.  When the occasion calls for it, I can conjugate profane verbs in ways that confound and mystify.  If it's part of the story and naturally flows from the narrative, it doesn't really bother me.  If it gets to the point where it feels like it's just there to entice people to play I think that would be sad.  But don't wail on someone who wants the excitment and intensity of a mature story without an f bomb dropped on them repeatedly or boobs rubbed in their face.  Maybe it can't be technically done and maybe that person will just have to find a different franchise, but every player has the right to voice their opinion. It will be BioWare's writers in the end that with either take it into consideration or not.  But I can understand if someone wants something beyond Lego:Batman without exposing themselves to something they feel makes them less.  God knows there are things I wish I could unknow.