It's jarring because real people don't behave that way. Or at least they don't if everything has gone the way its supposed to.
Something went drastically off the rails if two people are standing around fully clothed in awkward silence after having had sex. I suppose it would provide some unintentional comedy however.
Prefer romance to sex, and a simple Fade to Black scene is fine with me.
The two are in no way, shape, or form mutually exclusive. Of course, they also in no way, shape, or form require one for the other.
Technically speaking they always do fade to black whether they show nudity or not. They don't actually show the sex; they show the lovers before and after sex and sometimes after sex they're naked.
And there's nothing wrong with that approach. I honestly find this treating the human body as some disgusting, shameful thing that needs to be hidden away from our eyes at all costs to be rather ridiculous.
Personally I don't care if they show nudity or not in the grand scheme of things. But if it fits the scene they've written, then it's inclusion doesn't lower the quality of the game at all, in my opinion.
I would prefer the camera angle not show the person getting shot but just the person shooting and the gun in that scenario. Sort of like what they did with killing Fist in Mass Effect 1.
The Mass Effect games are third person shooters. How do you even play these games?
It's funnier when ala ME1 only one character is fully clothed and then says "ready for round 2?" (or whatever the line). Why did you get dressed then??
Clothed sex is Shepard's kink.
It's just skin and words, folks.
#freethenipple
But think of the children! They've still not recovered from Janet Jackson's nipple slip, and you'd subject them to more mental scarring?
The path to hell is lined with sideboob!
Are you speaking objectively, or subjectively since you are biased on this? I don't mean to sound accusing, but mere curiosity since I have no trouble seeing Vincent saying heck.
There are characters who simply speaking do not care about breaking social norms, being impolite, and potentially offending people around them. And there are characters who intentionally violate those social norms specifically to offend people around them.
This is why Jack and Aria and Vincent Vega and Trevor Phillips do not work without the cursing. Because having them refrain from cursing shows that, despite everything, they still care about whether or not their language offends the people around them, which at best just comes off as silly.
Then you have people who do care about social norms and generally speaking wouldn't swear in most circumstances, but are exposed to stimuli that is so intense that they make a conscious decision of "I normally wouldn't say this, and I know it's taboo, but the rage/disgust/fear/joy I am experiencing right now cannot be expressed any other way than with a swear, because that demonstrates that I care more about expressing that emotion than I do about violating a social taboo and saying a word that is frowned upon in polite company."
This is why you need scenes like Cassandra literally calling bullsh*t. You need these words to express the strength of the emotion because without it, then the emotion isn't stronger than the social taboo on these words.
The two are in no way, shape, or form mutually exclusive. Of course, they also in no way, shape, or form require one for the other.
Technically speaking they always do fade to black whether they show nudity or not. They don't actually show the sex; they show the lovers before and after sex and sometimes after sex they're naked.
And there's nothing wrong with that approach. I honestly find this treating the human body as some disgusting, shameful thing that needs to be hidden away from our eyes at all costs to be rather ridiculous.
Personally I don't care if they show nudity or not in the grand scheme of things. But if it fits the scene they've written, then it's inclusion doesn't lower the quality of the game at all, in my opinion.
I do not find the nudity necessary, and at least with Bioware games in the scenes I have seen, it has not been excessive. But not all games are this way, and as mentioned, Bioware games have become more relaxed almost with each new title. The slippery slope for me is when it reaches the point where I must pass on these titles as well as the others, and I am for ideas as suggested by the OP to help stop this from happening.
We can argue about the 'necessity' of nudity for a while. If we're talking about 'necessity', all we needed was pong. Video games could have stopped there and we'd have had all we needed.
I believe, adamantly, that nudity has artistic value. It can be used to show comfort, vulnerability, intimacy, passion, and savagery. There are scenes Bioware has done that should have included nudity.
The one scene I always point out is Samantha's romance scene in ME3 where she's showering in her bra and panties, and Shepard joins her in the shower fully clothed, and then afterwards their cuddled together in their underwear. Everything about that scene is wrong, to me. Samantha should be naked in the shower because that's how people shower. Shepard should slip out of her clothes before joining her because that's what you do in that situation. Afterwards, could go either way, but it's just my personal experience that post-sex cuddling doesn't happen with the clothes on.
The whole scene could have been a very passionate, romantic affair. Instead it comes off as absurd, hilarious, and artificial in the ways they avoided showing nudity in a situation where there was no logical reason for the people involved not to be naked.
There are other scenes like this scattered throughout both series, but that was always the most blatant example to me.
And ultimately that's my thing; if they write a scene where it makes more sense for the characters to be naked than clothed, then they should be naked. Logic should not be defied for the sole, artificial purpose of shielding our eyes from nipples.
You can say you'd rather just avoid they show those scenes all together, which is fine, I guess. But honestly the pure fade to black really has it's logistical issues, too. There are romance scenes in The Old Republic(which is restricted by the T-rating) that have two people flirting, then kissing in one room before walking off to another room to have sex before getting dressed and walking back to the room they started in before speaking to one another again. The very fact that I actually thought about the mechanics of this where these two people had sex and just awkwardly avoided looking at each other in silence as they got dressed, and had to leave the room they had just made love in before being able to carry out a conversation shows how immersion breaking the whole thing is.
At least for me.
The Mass Effect games are third person shooters. How do you even play these games?
The fact I prefer one way does not mean I cannot handle the other.
I would prefer the camera angle not show the person getting shot but just the person shooting and the gun in that scenario. Sort of like what they did with killing Fist in Mass Effect 1.
This makes me hope that BioWare captures more detailed viscera if I blow through someone's midsection with a shotgun. ME:A could use a dose of multiple hit points, so I can pop mooks' kneecaps and make them topple over.
There are characters who simply speaking do not care about breaking social norms, being impolite, and potentially offending people around them. And there are characters who intentionally violate those social norms specifically to offend people around them.
This is why Jack and Aria and Vincent Vega and Trevor Phillips do not work without the cursing. Because having them refrain from cursing shows that, despite everything, they still care about whether or not their language offends the people around them, which at best just comes off as silly.
I disagree. It can mean any number of things other than them caring about social norms. It can mean what you describe, yes. But it doesn't necessarily mean that.
Then you have people who do care about social norms and generally speaking wouldn't swear in most circumstances, but are exposed to stimuli that is so intense that they make a conscious decision of "I normally wouldn't say this, and I know it's taboo, but the rage/disgust/fear/joy I am experiencing right now cannot be expressed any other way than with a swear, because that demonstrates that I care more about expressing that emotion than I do about violating a social taboo and saying a word that is frowned upon in polite company."
This is why you need scenes like Cassandra literally calling bullsh*t. You need these words to express the strength of the emotion because without it, then the emotion isn't stronger than the social taboo on these words.
Again, I disagree. There are many words that can express the same level of emotion as if the taboo word was used.
Didn't we establish this last night?
I disagree. It can mean any number of things other than them caring about social norms. It can mean what you describe, yes. But it doesn't necessarily mean that.
Again, I disagree. There are many words that can express the same level of emotion as if the taboo word was used.
Didn't we establish this last night?
That you and I can never agree on this? Yeah, that's well established.
How we can be having this disagreement is beyond me. At this rate you and I are going to be disagreeing about whether or not water is wet.
This makes me hope that BioWare captures more detailed viscera if I blow through someone's midsection with a shotgun. ME:A could use a dose of multiple hit points, so I can pop mooks' kneecaps and make them topple over.
Maybe some Quentin Tarantino level gore? 
"Swear" words have a more serious connotation than 'equivalent' words, that's why I call Ramsey a bastard and not "person born out of wedlock"
Ftfy
That you and I can never agree on this? Yeah, that's well established.
How we can be having this disagreement is beyond me. At this rate you and I are going to be disagreeing about whether or not water is wet.
I'm telling you, water is dry.
As for the things in this thread, I know that these are practices that Bioware will not stop, regardless of how much I wish they would, since these kinds of things move product. Sex sells, violence sells, and even profanity sells. To wish for Bioware to remove these things completely is a fool's errand. They are a business, and the most important thing to them is income. That's why I support the OP. Since removing them entirely will never happen, having an option for people to avoid it is the next best thing. Either through a toggle like the OP suggests or by other means.
rather than it being a cynical ploy for maximized profit, I find it far more likely that they include such content because they think its appropriate for their games, or perhaps even enjoy itI'm telling you, water is dry.
As for the things in this thread, I know that these are practices that Bioware will not stop, regardless of how much I wish they would, since these kinds of things move product. Sex sells, violence sells, and even profanity sells. To wish for Bioware to remove these things completely is a fool's errand. They are a business, and the most important thing to them is income. That's why I support the OP. Since removing them entirely will never happen, having an option for people to avoid it is the next best thing. Either through a toggle like the OP suggests or by other means.
Maybe some Quentin Tarantino level gore?
And make our krogan buddy clean up the mess.
PC: Drack, did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits that he's wrong that he is immediately forgiven for all wrongdoings? Have you ever heard that?
Drack: Get the f*** out my face with that s***! The m******er that said that s*** never had to pick up itty-bitty pieces of skull on account of your dumb ass.
rather than it being a cynical ploy for maximized profit, I find it far more likely that they include such content because they think its appropriate for their games, or perhaps even enjoy it
It used to not be in their games, but as the years went on and they became a bigger and bigger company before becoming part of a huge company that is infamous for wanting to maximize profits off games the more these things showed up. The only logical conclusion is that they want to expand their audience and thus get more money, even if it throws some fans to the curb.
"Did you see a sign that said 'Dead suit rat storage'?"And make our krogan buddy clean up the mess.
PC: Drack, did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits that he's wrong that he is immediately forgiven for all wrongdoings? Have you ever heard that?
Drack: Get the f*** out my face with that s***! The m******er that said that s*** never had to pick up itty-bitty pieces of skull on account of your dumb ass.
I disagree. It can mean any number of things other than them caring about social norms. It can mean what you describe, yes. But it doesn't necessarily mean that.
Again, I disagree. There are many words that can express the same level of emotion as if the taboo word was used.
Didn't we establish this last night?
This isn't an essay, it's a story.
Any decent writers knows how to write "I ******* hate you," in countless ways which technically retain its meaning:
"I have utter disdain for you,"
"I detest your very existence,"
"I loath you with a burning passion,"
etc.
These characters' vocabulary, be they eloquent and well mannered or raunchy and ill tempered, is as inseparable as their past. Censoring or mitigating their words is as much a crime as neglecting their history and possibly their trauma. Words, in context, contain far more meaning than what the dictionary tells.
**** is what their father said.
***** is what their mother said.
And **** is what all their friends said.
Their profanity is their credibility.
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