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[rashie]

Toning down gore is an easy one for them, all it needs is to simply just not play certain death animations.

 

As for explicit content in terms of voice acting, they'd need to record double sets of all scenes were there may be such content, whether that is a worthwhile effort depends on the dev, I'm all for people having the option even if I wont block it myself. I'm far past the age were any media age ratings are relevant to me.

 

The only thing I am opposed to is devs trimming down content to fit certain audiences instead of an M title, and leaving it out entirely instead of having a toggle in there.

[agonis]

Please no, it's a waste of resource to create 2 versions for that. It would never happen or should it. The game is rated mature, so those who are over 18 should be able to handle it. There are T rated games like Star Wars the Old republic, so Bioware does have games like that. Let ME be ME, don't change it. The game already has a bad reputation for being too mild for today's standard, there is no need to dilute it more.

 

And what exactly is today´s standard?

[izmirtheastarach]

And what exactly is today´s standard?

Game of Thrones. No wait....The Witcher 3. Or porn. 

[Torgette]

And what exactly is today´s standard?

 

Everything is Liveleak.

[Mordokai]

The shower scene with Traynor in the third game has got to be most retarded POS I ever witnessed. Granted, I have memory span of a goldfish, so that may play a role in that, but nah

 

But seriously, if that's the kind of censorship we can expect in the next game... no. I don't support a full on showing of body parts required for copulation, but if I had to choose between those two extremes, then well... show them penises and vaginas(or cross species equivalent of them) and be done with it. Earn your M rating, for frak sake.

[AlanC9]

Good question. There are other games that have had such options in the past, and with the exception of Brutal Ledgend, none of them have used black bars or bleeps, they have simply reworked the scenes to 'skip,' but seemlessly, the content. You can't tell at all that anything is missing.

This makes it sound like a serious resource sink. You're going to have trouble selling that, since very few of us give a damn about this stuff.

[izmirtheastarach]

My absolute favorite part of this so far is the idea that someone who identifies themselves as a "writer" is at the same time using words like "cencorship" and "seemlessly".

[Mcfly616]

People asking for Mature rated games to censor the content which  made it a Mature rated game in the first place....It's about as backwards as those gamers that want open-world devs to make their games more linear, and linear game devs to make their games more open. You know what you're getting into, if it bothers you so much maybe go play a game that has all those things you want instead of asking devs to completely change their approach to their own creation.

[dinobot100]

Those who are over 18 should be able to handle it.

 

It's these kinds of statements that sometimes get under my skin. As I mentioned in the letter, I don't need to explain my reasons for them to be valid, but I will explain a bit here on this issue. Can I "handle" seeing a naked person? Can I "handle" seeing gore or hearing strong language? Of course I can. I'm not going to flip out and start crying and roll myself up into a little ball at the first explict thing, but what so many people don't seem to understand is that It's not a question of being able to "handle" it,  it's about what I think is good for my mind. Can you "handle" eating a bunch of unhealthy food? Sure you can, but there are consequences. I try to be careful with what I feed my mind. I try to avoid gore, language, and sexual nudity. Not because I can't handle them, but because I don't believe they are good for me. If you think they are good for you, or not harmful, that's fine. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what media to view. But I know that I want to keep them out. Of course I already have a choice, the choice to not play, but I'm hoping for a third option. As a paying fan of the series I don't think it's wrong for me to ask for an option to make the games more acessible to me without infringing on anyone else's play experience. I have never understood why such queries make so many gamers angry. You said "don't dilude it," and that's fine. I'm not trying to change what you will see and hear when you play the game. If the toggles are added, you don't have to use them.

[Il Divo]

Game of Thrones. No wait....The Witcher 3. Or porn. 

 

I admit, I chuckled. 

[izmirtheastarach]

People asking for Mature rated games to censor the content which  made it a Mature rated game in the first place....It's about as backwards as those gamers that want open-world devs to make their games more linear, and linear game devs to make their games more open. You know what you're getting into, if it bothers you so much maybe go play a game that has all those things you want instead of asking devs to completely change their approach to their own creation.

It's as though there are NO OTHER games in the world for you to play. No indie games, no T rated games, no foreign imports. There is just SO LITTLE choice in today's market, guys. It's a nightmare. Won't somebody please make some games for me!

[agonis]

Game of Thrones? *chuckles*

 

"Is adult entertainment killing our children? Or is killing our children entertaining adults?"- Marilyn Manson

[Iakus]

  The game is rated mature, so those who are over 18 should be able to handle it. There are T rated games like Star Wars the Old republic, so Bioware does have games like that. Let ME be ME, don't change it. The game already has a bad reputation for being too mild for today's standard, there is no need to dilute it more.

 

Funny, a game I've been playing, Life is Strange, is rated M, and has no nudity, even with a shower scene for the (female) protagonist.  Nothing below the shoulders was shown.

 

There is violence, even shootings, but not a whole lot of blood.  Certainly no exploding heads.

 

There is a considerable amount of foul language, yes.  And a considerable amount of mature subject matter  (drug abuse, rape, suicide, etc)

 

SO yeah, just because there's an "M" stamped on a game, doesn't mean it's necessarily "Mature"

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well, self-censorship maybe. He did ask for the option to do it, to be fair. 

 

It would not be self-censorship, as the developers are the ones being asked to make changes in order to limit access to the content.

 

How would the proposed toggle work in practice? Black bars or blurred screens for nudity? Bleeps for bad language?

 

Developers avoid doing this, because in practice, two versions of the game need to be created, complete with new cut scenes and animations that require significant amounts of additional QA and resources.

 

I guess it's a matter of semantics, but to me "cencorship" implies I'd be trying to limit what content they put in the game, and I'm not.

 

Censorship is requiring people to change content to meet an arbitrary standard. What you are asking for is not only time-intensive at the development stage, but it limits the freedom of content that can be created, since everything has to be QA-tested to provide a consistent experience to the playerbase regardless of which toggle is chosen.

 

Semantics isn't really an issue here. Practicality is an issue here. A toggle that alters the content of the game so drastically is going to become a focus of resources and effort. Since it is not based on what the developers want to do, but what some of the audience considers offensive, the cost-benefit analysis consistently comes back that it is preferable not to use a censorship toggle because of the expense and limitations. That's why, although some games use a version of it (typically a "gore toggle" or "blood toggle") those games are usually simple in design, and they are the exception.

[The Night Haunter]

I'd rather the dev's put more effort into... pretty much every thing else rather than a 'G Rated' toggle. Violence in video games is on par with violence in movies (or milder if you watch a lot of horror movies). Sex in video games is way behind sex in movies. Swearing in games is about on par, maybe a bit milder than swearing in movies.

 

If you don't want your kids (or you yourself) to experience PG-13 rated content, then avoid ME/DA. DA finally went with a real nudity love scene, something Bioware took far too long to do imo, and I'd hate to see them backtrack.

 

I get that you don't like it OP, but sheltering yourself from reality is like an emu sticking its head in the sand. It fixes nothing.

[Iakus]

Game of Thrones. No wait....The Witcher 3. Or porn. 

 

The Witcher series has a "mature" rating

 

The Witcher series has graphic nudity.

 

Therefore, a game needs graphic nudity in order to be "mature" 

[Undead Han]

Although mature content doesn't bother me and I don't consider the requested feature a necessity, I have to give the OP credit for lumping gore in with nudity as being explicit content. This isn't the first time someone has asked for a similar feature, or for explicit content to be removed from the series, but I think it is the first time someone has posted a similar request without referring solely to nudity.

 

I always thought it a bit ridiculous that some people were offended by Liara's naked bum but not some mook getting his head blown to pieces with a sniper rifle.

[Zymandis]

I try to be careful with what I feed my mind. I try to avoid gore, language, and sexual nudity. Not because I can't handle them, but because I don't believe they are good for me.

 

Ah, you're one of those. "Video games make kids violent" and all that.

[izmirtheastarach]

It's these kinds of statements that sometimes get under my skin. As I mentioned in the letter, I don't need to explain my reasons for them to be valid, but I will explain a bit here on this issue. Can I "handle" seeing a naked person? Can I "handle" seeing gore or hearing strong language? Of course I can. I'm not going to flip out and start crying and roll myself up into a little ball at the first explict thing, but what so many people don't seem to understand is that It's not a question of being able to "handle" it,  it's about what I think is good for my mind. Can you "handle" eating a bunch of unhealthy food? Sure you can, but there are consequences. I try to be careful with what I feed my mind. I try to avoid gore, language, and sexual nudity. Not because I can't handle them, but because I don't believe they are good for me. If you think they are good for you, or not harmful, that's fine. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what media to view. But I know that I want to keep them out. Of course I already have a choice, the choice to not play, but I'm hoping for a third option. As a paying fan of the series I don't think it's wrong for me to ask for an option to make the games more acessible to me without infringing on anyone else's play experience. I have never understood why such queries make so many gamers angry. You said "don't dilude it," and that's fine. I'm not trying to change what you will see and hear when you play the game. If the toggles are added, you don't have to use them.

I guess at the end of the day the real problem is: no one is making you play these games. If your sensibilities (whether they seem delicate to me or not) are offended by the content of these games, there is literally a massive universe of other games for you to play. Why is the solution for the developer to add a feature that caters to you specifically? Does it not make more sense for you to just find games that already fit within your particular worldview?

[Amplitudelol]

Just post more nude pictures from Mass Effect and the OP will chicken out .

[MrFob]

I don't mind a toggle or whatever. For me personally, I would just like to have the game as realistic as possible in whatever is shown.

That doesn't mean everything has to be shown. Romance scenes that just fade to black are perfectly alright. However, if you show stuff, than show it properly, for example, if you decide that you want to show Traynor in the shower than do it without the underwear. If you don't want to show nudity in whatever form, rather keep the camera angle to only show her head, shoulders and back like abut a gazillion movies do.

 

Same goes for combat. If you say that your bullets are as small as grains of sand and just cause internal damage or whatever, than I am perfectly fine with no gore animation. But if the description says that incendiaries burn people, than show me that and don't just make then disintegrate into little red flakes (yes, I'm looking at you, ME1 ammo mods).

 

Same goes for characters, if I am dealing with some rough rogues from the Terminus than I'd expect them to curse, but I don't want everyone to curse all the time just for the heck of it (ME and BW in general has done this pretty well so far, no complaints here, I'd rather look at the Witcher series for negative examples in that area)

 

For me, the most important thing to get into the game is that in game/universe descriptions and reasoning fit together with what is actually shown on screen. As long as this principle is upheld, I'm happy. Of course, if the devs decide that they want an extra toggle to turn all of that off, that's their business but IMO, for an M-rated title, it's not necessary.

[Il Divo]

It would not be self-censorship, as the developers are the ones being asked to make changes in order to limit access to the content.

 

 

Self-censorship might have been the wrong word (just looked it up, it involves inhibiting your own work). Regardless they're not actually limiting access. Hence the optional tag. It's about as much censorship as Bioware giving us the option to turn the difficulty down if we want to play on easy mode instead. 

 

Now, resource intensive is another issue entirely. 

[rashie]

Game of Thrones? *chuckles*

 

"Is adult entertainment killing our children? Or is killing our children entertaining adults?"- Marilyn Manson

HBO isn't making children's entertainment in the first place, its always funny when people point to it as a bad influence

[Mcfly616]

The Witcher series has a "mature" rating

 

The Witcher series has graphic nudity.

 

Therefore, a game needs graphic nudity in order to be "mature" 

 I think what he's implying is that The Witcher series fully embraces its mature rating in all aspects. Whereas Bioware tends to shy away from it in certain aspects. Not that it's absolutely necessary to show nudity. Just, if you're gonna go that route, do it right. 

[Killroy]

Thank you for proving OP's point.

 
Some people need to be mocked.

It's these kinds of statements that sometimes get under my skin. As I mentioned in the letter, I don't need to explain my reasons for them to be valid, but I will explain a bit here on this issue. Can I "handle" seeing a naked person? Can I "handle" seeing gore or hearing strong language? Of course I can. I'm not going to flip out and start crying and roll myself up into a little ball at the first explict thing, but what so many people don't seem to understand is that It's not a question of being able to "handle" it,  it's about what I think is good for my mind. Can you "handle" eating a bunch of unhealthy food? Sure you can, but there are consequences. I try to be careful with what I feed my mind. I try to avoid gore, language, and sexual nudity. Not because I can't handle them, but because I don't believe they are good for me. If you think they are good for you, or not harmful, that's fine. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what media to view. But I know that I want to keep them out. Of course I already have a choice, the choice to not play, but I'm hoping for a third option. As a paying fan of the series I don't think it's wrong for me to ask for an option to make the games more acessible to me without infringing on anyone else's play experience. I have never understood why such queries make so many gamers angry. You said "don't dilude it," and that's fine. I'm not trying to change what you will see and hear when you play the game. If the toggles are added, you don't have to use them.

So if you don't want to eat junk what do you do? You don't eat it, right? Well if you want to avoid these things that you find unseemly then you need to just stay away from them. If your mind is so fragile and easily mangled then you need to stay from negative influences.
You don't walk into a Twinkie factory and ask that they remove the sugar from some of their product, do you? You don't ask Hollywood executives to make child-friendly versions of R-rated films, do you? Why should video games be any different?