3411 réponses à ce sujet

[Ashevajak]

Bryan, I think you probably killed the thread.

 

 

A wild Byran Johnson appears!

He uses "giving feedback on the forums".  It's super effective!

[Bryan Johnson]

Thank you for answering.

 

Kind of wish I got the Japanese version of the game now. 

 

I know you probably can't answer, but compared to other Bioware games with this material where would you place Mass Effect: Andromeda?

I do not work on Andromeda, and my exposure has been severely limited (talking seeing less than an hour of it in the last year). Even if I could answer that question I would not because I dont know

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I do not work on Andromeda, and my exposure has been severely limited (talking seeing less than an hour of it in the last year). Even if I could answer that question I would not because I dont know

Okay. Thank you for answering my questions. I appreciate it.

[Swan Killer]

I'm just here, because I saw BroJo's name as the last replyer.

[Gothfather]

Ughh.... just deleted a longer reply, but here's a summation:

 

There's a lot of irony to be found in all the responses telling the OP to 'just not play the game'.  There are threads whining away for more MP instead of SP, more gay romances, more transgendered characters, less-sexy battle armor, etc.  I don't remember nearly as many 'so don't play the game' comments in those threads. 

 

Of course, I didn't exactly commit those to memory, but my feeling on this is that the politically correct sect loves to pick and choose what it will treat gently.... then kicks everything else in the genitalia.

 

Anyway, I don't mind the OP's request... options are good.  Probably would mean those of us who like gore and nudity would get MORE of it, since the publisher wouldn't have to worry as much about offending those who don't want to see it.

 

The main difference here is the OP is asking to eliminate content that gives Bioware titles its mature rating. In essence what is being asked is to be able to not partake in said content. So if you request is to not play said content telling someone to not play the game where such content is objectionable is very germane. If you want a toggle to not see content that is mature in a mature title then really you should be wise enough to realise you don't actually want mature titles and should be playing a teen title.

 

This is a literal request for censorship with a very bad attempt to do a bit of sleight of hand and say I'm just asking for options not censorship. Yet the very request is give me the ability to censor stuff i object to. If you object to the content then don't buy it. Caging the censorship under the guise of options is crap. More options do not make things better. Less is often more. If they gave us 50 companions in the game it would suck because their dialogue budge would be so stretched that every companions would be a cardboard cut-out. It is false and naive to just assume adding an option is better. options take money and budgets are finite so every feature here removes money from the rest of the budget.

 

Not only is there a practical issue of the budgets but also the principle of asking artist to censor their art because of an individuals subjective tastes. And a toggleable censorship is still censorship. Thirdly there is a aspect of personal responsibility, if you find content objectionable then DON'T partake of it. Why is it so wrong to tell someone who objects to content not to partake of it? 

[Oni Changas]

I'm on the anti-toggle side of this discussion, but that "bad *****" does nothing but support the idea that profanity and nudity can end up looking completely unnecessary, and the material would be better without it. Sparingly and accordingly is key.

Stay on that side of the the fence then. I like a bad ass chick with some bad ass... well, you know. The whole point of that line was to tease/seduce Bronn and guys like me. Take away that "*****" line and it loses its meaning. I'd rather have something like that than say... a Rob Zombie script where every other word is ****. It has to be utilized appropriately and never overdone. Jack's use in ME2 never bothered me because I understood it's part of her character; she grew up in a very obscene environment so is very liberal in her language.

[Grieving Natashina]

I do not work on Andromeda, and my exposure has been severely limited (talking seeing less than an hour of it in the last year). Even if I could answer that question I would not because I dont know

I just wanted to say thank you for coming by.  I can't speak for anyone else, but it truly means a lot to me that you were willing to offer some thoughts on this.  That's awesome.

 

We love chatting with you guys.  Please, don't be afraid to come back again!  There is some bad apples, but most of us are pretty nice.  

[xkg]

Not only is there a practical issue of the budgets but also the principle of asking artist to censor their art because of an individuals subjective tastes. And a toggleable censorship is still censorship.

 

There are two problems with your reasoning.

1. Not everyone consider computer games to be art. I don't and I consider them to be commercial products made to be sold and earn money. Nothing more.

2. Not everyone sees artists as anything special. Especially not the ones who do it for living. So asking them to change their product is as normal as asking a cook at restaurant to prepare the meal according to ones likings.

 

I see nothing wrong with OP's request.

[Catastrophy]

I'm on the anti-toggle side of this discussion, but that "bad *****" does nothing but support the idea that profanity and nudity can end up looking completely unnecessary, and the material would be better without it. Sparingly and accordingly is key.

You can make someone covered with cloth appear hotter than a naked one. One of the best sense of sexyness is still imagination.

[Simfam]

I recently posted this on my blog, and I wanted to share it here as well.

 

*snip*

 

 

 

bruh

[Gwydden]

Beyond the financial and artistic arguments which have been covered here, there is another reason I'm strongly opposed to this idea.

Expecting other people to bend over backwards to cater to your sensibilities seems to be trendy right now. Instead of growing the #@$! up (see what I did there?) is like no one can stand anything that even slightly offends them. Whatever happened to growing a thicker skin, or don't like it don't see it?

Say the OP was asking for a toggle for homosexual content. Wouldn't be the first time. How is that request any less reasonable? They're asking for the option to remove content that offends and disturbs them personally. It won't affect anyone else's game, and they'll be able to better enjoy the experience!

What I would tell them it's pretty much the same thing I'll tell the OP. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If it's that big of a problem for you, don't play the game, or at least avoid content you don't like. There's not that much, it should be easy. If it's not that big of a problem for you I guess you'll have to put up with it.

In not trying to deride you, but that comfort zone of yours? Might be valuable going out of it from time to time. I'm sorry, but that blatant refusal to leave it, to the point of asking other people to go way out of their way so you don't have to be bothered, looks awfully childish from where I'm standing.

If someone wanted a homosexual toggle, I'd tell them homosexuality is a thing that exists, that no one is forcing them to play the game or that part of it, and that being exposed to it, even a little, might be good for them and soften up their prejudice.

To the OP I say words don't bite, not even if they're cusswords, which after all are just those we've arbitrarily decided are inappropriate. I would tell him not all that long ago in the great fabric of things both our ancestors went around naked all the time with no one the wiser, and that sexual taboos are as human made as clothes. I would suggest that, in a game that is all about violence, pretending gore is 'bad for you' is more than a little hypocritical.

He obviously doesn't agree with me, and it's unlikely he ever will. But everyone everywhere is offended by something. I'm offended by the overabundance of Christian iconography and the insistence on praying before eating at my cousin's mother's house. I most definitely think that stuff (religion) ain't good for the soul, but you won't see me asking them to put away their toys and stop talking into the air when in around.

Because the thing is, what offends the OP it's no more important than what offends others. It doesn't merit special treatment, and in the end I think everyone should leave their comfort zone from time to time and be exposed to other points of view, not cuddled so they don't ever ever have to leave it.

[Linkenski]

Full clothes for inquisitor and Cassandra/Sera

This is why japan always confuses me. They have these revealing anime girls on everything and in every game they produce (except for Souls lol) that pander to their audience, and I haven't played any japanese game yet with story-focus where there wasn't some dialogue involving someone being "a perv" or a Kame Sennin type character who liked young girls and generally really awkward and occasionally taboo stuff... but then when Western games ship in Japan and they include the portrayal of mundane if sometimes "sexy" romances that includes nudity (but no humping or moaning) Japan chickens out or it's just their age-rating approvals that suck or something.

 

I mean, it's like they take it as far in all directions as they can with the sexy stuff but when push comes to shove they won't go all the way, which always rubbed me wrong. They are so perverted, yet so shy of real but mundane sexy content, and their own fantasies and perversions often go way beyond ordinary stuff, like swim-suits and maid outfits, hell, even ugly suff like incest undertones

 

I am aware how generalizing this is, but c'mon you can't deny there's a lot of what I'm talking about in Japan if you haven't been living under a rock for your entire life.

[Farangbaa]

This is why japan always confuses me. They have these revealing anime girls on everything and in every game they produce (except for Souls lol) that pander to their audience, and I haven't played any japanese game yet with story-focus where there wasn't some dialogue involving someone being "a perv" or a Kame Sennin type character who liked young girls and generally really awkward and occasionally taboo stuff... but then when Western games ship in Japan and they include the portrayal of mundane if sometimes "sexy" romances that includes nudity (but no humping or moaning) Japan chickens out or it's just their age-rating approvals that suck or something.
 
I mean, it's like they take it as far in all directions as they can with the sexy stuff but when push comes to shove they won't go all the way, which always rubbed me wrong. They are so perverted, yet so shy of real but mundane sexy content, and their own fantasies and perversions often go way beyond ordinary stuff.
 
I am aware how generalizing this is, but c'mon you can't deny there's a lot of what I'm talking about in Japan if you haven't been living under a rock for your entire life.

Hey man, if no octopus is involved, they gotta censor that stuff.

[dreamgazer]

Japan should've just heavily pixelated all the things instead.

[Farangbaa]

Japan should've just heavily pixelated all the things instead.

My little brother can not get enough of telling people that this pixelation in Japanese porn has caused some Japanese men to get turned on by pixelation.

He thinks it's hilarious, and I agree.

[FKA_Servo]

This is why japan always confuses me. They have these revealing anime girls on everything and in every game they produce (except for Souls lol) that pander to their audience, and I haven't played any japanese game yet with story-focus where there wasn't some dialogue involving someone being "a perv" or a Kame Sennin type character who liked young girls and generally really awkward and occasionally taboo stuff... but then when Western games ship in Japan and they include the portrayal of mundane if sometimes "sexy" romances that includes nudity (but no humping or moaning) Japan chickens out or it's just their age-rating approvals that suck or something.

 

I mean, it's like they take it as far in all directions as they can with the sexy stuff but when push comes to shove they won't go all the way, which always rubbed me wrong. They are so perverted, yet so shy of real but mundane sexy content, and their own fantasies and perversions often go way beyond ordinary stuff, like swim-suits and maid outfits, hell, even ugly suff like incest undertones

 

I am aware how generalizing this is, but c'mon you can't deny there's a lot of what I'm talking about in Japan if you haven't been living under a rock for your entire life.

 

Don't Germany and Australia have insane censor rules for games too?

 

I know Germany heavily censors that one thing (which I won't bother typing because I'm pretty sure this forum does too), but I thought they got really weird about violence as well. Australia is, of course, just bonkers in this regard, if I recall.

[Farangbaa]

Don't Germany and Australia have insane censor rules for games too?
 
I know Germany heavily censors that one thing (which I won't bother typing because I'm pretty sure this forum does too), but I thought they got really weird about violence as well. Australia is, of course, just bonkers in this regard, if I recall.

Green blood (or no blood). In Germany and France, if I recall correctly.

edit: nope, only Germany.

Australia is a whole other bucket of madness in the censorship department.

[Grieving Natashina]

Don't Germany and Australia have insane censor rules for games too?

 

I know Germany heavily censors that one thing (which I won't bother typing because I'm pretty sure this forum does too), but I thought they got really weird about violence as well. Australia is, of course, just bonkers in this regard, if I recall.

Germany's big thing is violence.  

 

https://en.wikipedia...o_games#Germany

 

Australia is just...weird.  

 

https://en.wikipedia...lia#Video_games

https://en.wikipedia...es_in_Australia

[FKA_Servo]

Green blood. In Germany and France, if I recall correctly.

 

 

So... DAO and the like had green blood? What did they do with the Witcher games, or like, GTA? Or... jeez, basically any game. It must look more ridiculous than no blood at all.

 

That sounds so absurd to me that I can't believe people haven't broken the internet criticizing it, but maybe they just do it elsewhere.

[Elhanan]

Beyond the financial and artistic arguments which have been covered here, there is another reason I'm strongly opposed to this idea.

Expecting other people to bend over backwards to cater to your sensibilities seems to be trendy right now. Instead of growing the #@$! up (see what I did there?) is like no one can stand anything that even slightly offends them. Whatever happened to growing a thicker skin, or don't like it don't see it?

Say the OP was asking for a toggle for homosexual content. Wouldn't be the first time. How is that request any less reasonable? They're asking for the option to remove content that offends and disturbs them personally. It won't affect anyone else's game, and they'll be able to better enjoy the experience!

What I would tell them it's pretty much the same thing I'll tell the OP. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If it's that big of a problem for you, don't play the game, or at least avoid content you don't like. There's not that much, it should be easy. If it's not that big of a problem for you I guess you'll have to put up with it.

In not trying to deride you, but that comfort zone of yours? Might be valuable going out of it from time to time. I'm sorry, but that blatant refusal to leave it, to the point of asking other people to go way out of their way so you don't have to be bothered, looks awfully childish from where I'm standing.

If someone wanted a homosexual toggle, I'd tell them homosexuality is a thing that exists, that no one is forcing them to play the game or that part of it, and that being exposed to it, even a little, might be good for them and soften up their prejudice.

To the OP I say words don't bite, not even if they're cusswords, which after all are just those we've arbitrarily decided are inappropriate. I would tell him not all that long ago in the great fabric of things both our ancestors went around naked all the time with no one the wiser, and that sexual taboos are as human made as clothes. I would suggest that, in a game that is all about violence, pretending gore is 'bad for you' is more than a little hypocritical.

He obviously doesn't agree with me, and it's unlikely he ever will. But everyone everywhere is offended by something. I'm offended by the overabundance of Christian iconography and the insistence on praying before eating at my cousin's mother's house. I most definitely think that stuff (religion) ain't good for the soul, but you won't see me asking them to put away their toys and stop talking into the air when in around.

Because the thing is, what offends the OP it's no more important than what offends others. It doesn't merit special treatment, and in the end I think everyone should leave their comfort zone from time to time and be exposed to other points of view, not cuddled so they don't ever ever have to leave it.

As in other debates with these games, I generally prefer options if possible. This is one I support.

It seems to be little difference than allowing varied costumes, CC, and other choices for each indv Player. I prefer subtitles, no Floating Text, and little UI, but based on many vids, this is not the case for all. Having the ability to tailor the game as much as possible, as well as the characters themselves appears to be a good thing.

[Farangbaa]

 
So... DAO and the like had green blood? What did they do with the Witcher games, or like, GTA? Or... jeez, basically any game. It must look more ridiculous than no blood at all.
 
That sounds so absurd to me that I can't believe people haven't broken the internet criticizing it, but maybe they just do it elsewhere.

No blood is also an option.

And they go as far as changing the story:

Violence in video games is a controversial subject in Germany, and German localisations of violent games are often heavily cut by the publishers to permit a public release. Usually this entails a simple removal or reduction of depictions of blood and gore, but sometimes extends to cuts in the content or plot of the game, as was the case in games such as Counter-Strike and Grand Theft Auto.

From that Wiki link Natashina posted.

[Zazzerka]

Australia is, of course, just bonkers in this regard, if I recall.

Australia is a whole other bucket of madness in the censorship department.

Australia is just...weird.

 

Consider my feelings hurt.

 

Since we (finally) allowed video games to be rated for adults only, things have changed. I swear. I swear.

[Grieving Natashina]

Consider my feelings hurt.

 

Since we (finally) allowed video games to be rated for adults only, things have changed. I swear. I swear.

Here, have a basset hug:

 

[Steelcan]

Consider my feelings hurt.

 

Since we (finally) allowed video games to be rated for adults only, things have changed. I swear. I swear.

lies, you guys sit around playing tetris in between emu attacks

[Zazzerka]

lies, you guys sit around playing tetris in between emu attacks

 

Never been on an emu frontline, have you son? Sometimes a non-violent video game is the only thing that can take you away from the actual violence... and the squawking.