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[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Fact that it was the same music for all the LI's also hurt. One thing about DA2 that I liked was that they had different music for each of the LI's that fit the mood of their scenes better. 

A thousand times yes! 

 

In my mind there will never be a better set of romantic segues than the ones composed for Jaheria, VIconia, Aerie, and even Anomen from Baldur's Gate II...  DA2 had this as well, and really was one of the better things about that game's romances.  Defined and characteristic musical themes enhance mood and allow for instant recognition subconsciously, evoking emotions for the characters involved.  There needs to be more of this!

[Pasquale1234]

And that's why I keep harping on it. It really was one of the better romance sequences in the Bioware games, but because some people have such hang-ups over the human body, it just comes off as ridiculous.

Instead of blaming some other boogeyman (boogypersons?), how about we place the responsibility where it belongs? It wasn't the customers who designed a scene with people showering in their smallclothes.

There are many, many ways and places where intimate conversations can occur. Isabela's took place in the Hanged Man in DA2; Liara visited Shepard's cabin in ME3 and they stretched out on the bed together. Helping an LI with a personal quest could ignite some sparks, or a quiet dinner for 2 in the captain's cabin.

Just sayin'.

[Han Shot First]

I'm down for more explicit content, whether that be profanity, violence, sex, drugs, nudity...so long as the content isn't gratuitous. Explicit content becomes an issue for me only when it has no reason to be in the game other than for shock value or titillation.

 

On that note I thought the most gratuitous content in the Mass Effect series wasn't profanity or nudity, but the ridiculous camera angles centered on Miranda's clothed backside during conversations.

[Nomen Mendax]

I'm down for more explicit content, whether that be profanity, violence, sex, drugs, nudity...so long as the content isn't gratuitous. Explicit content becomes an issue for me only when it has no reason to be in the game other than for shock value or titillation.

 

On that note I thought the most gratuitous content in the Mass Effect series wasn't profanity or nudity, but the ridiculous camera angles centered on Miranda's clothed backside during conversations.

And your squad members clothing. It's pretty noticeable that you have four female squad members in DA2 and three of them are wearing revealing or tight clothing. And even if you make the argument that the (lack of) clothing makes sense for the character (which has been argued for Jack) it was still the choice of the designers to go with that character. And Samara's outfit is just ridiculous.

[Han Shot First]

And your squad members clothing. It's pretty noticeable that you have four female squad members in DA2 and three of them are wearing revealing or tight clothing. And even if you make the argument that the (lack of) clothing makes sense for the character (which has been argued for Jack) it was still the choice of the designers to go with that character. And Samara's outfit is just ridiculous.

 

I thought the Mass Effect series was mostly good in that regard. The only game that had a problem with catsuits was Mass Effect 2. I do think the devs were paying attention to criticism of that element of Mass Effect 2, since Mass Effect 3 returned to giving all characters on the squad proper armor. Ashley was the only character that had a catsuit in ME3, but its optional for missions. 

[LinksOcarina]

I thought the Mass Effect series was mostly good in that regard. The only game that had a problem with catsuits was Mass Effect 2. I do think the devs were paying attention to criticism of that element of Mass Effect 2, since Mass Effect 3 returned to giving all characters on the squad proper armor. Ashley was the only character that had a catsuit in ME3, but its optional for missions. 

 

I never noticed it honestly in Mass Effect 3. Still, I bet the armor is going to be more or less following the trends of being a bit more realistic and not skin-tight to the body shape. 

[Torgette]

Anybody else think the whole "mature content" thing as inspired by Game of Thrones feels like the 80's love affair with "gross" content? If you're unfamiliar, there was a popular trend to add grittiness in almost comical portions in a bunch of 80's movies, each movie trying to up the ante. Robocop and Total Recall are great examples of this 80's emphasis on violence and gore done well. Anyways there was nothing wrong with that - it had its time and place - but I kind of want Bioware to do whatever they want to do and not bend to a trend just to be trendy - otherwise you risk doing something far worse like the equivalent of another "gross" style movie in Super Mario Brothers. 

 

One reason Mass Effect 1 still appeals is it did its own thing at a time when games were increasingly post-apocalyptic destructathons, it benefited by not following trends.

[9TailsFox]

And your squad members clothing. It's pretty noticeable that you have four female squad members in DA2 and three of them are wearing revealing or tight clothing. And even if you make the argument that the (lack of) clothing makes sense for the character (which has been argued for Jack) it was still the choice of the designers to go with that character. And Samara's outfit is just ridiculous.

I think Samara's outfit was great she is like space monk. And Jack I don't like but only because I don't like tattoo.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Samara's outfit looked like it was picked from a Fredericks of Hollywood catalogue, if I could be blunt. I never cared for Jack's style or personality, so she just seemed trashy to me more than sultry. Miranda was pretty obviously a Bond girl. There's good and bad associated with that imagery, depending on your view of sexuality as empowerment.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I think Samara's outfit was great she is like space monk.

 

Monk doesn't equal revealing outfit in any context I am aware of. Certaintly not once we add space to the equation.

[dreamgazer]

I'll be honest: I gave Samara's outfit a pass after seeing Benezia in ME1. Just seemed like accepted garb among significant asari.

Doesn't excuse the broken logic behind wearing it in harsh environments, but still.

[Nomen Mendax]

I'll be honest: I gave Samara's outfit a pass after seeing Benezia in ME1. Just seemed like accepted garb among significant asari.

Doesn't excuse the broken logic behind wearing it in harsh environments, but still.

I'm currently replaying ME1 and just finished Noveria this evening. I cannot take Benezia's outfit seriously, and having my attention continually drawn to her cleavage in what is meant to be an emotional conversation seemed to be a pretty odd design choice. It also doesn't seem to make much sense as clothing for a matriarch since they've moved beyond both the exploratory (i.e. asari dancers) and family raising stages of their life. And, as you point out, its made even sillier by the fact that Peak 15 is in the middle of a blizzard.

[Elhanan]

Asari do have Barrier, which should be helpful in extremes, as well as cellular regeneration, I believe. The latter helps them live to the extreme ages noted in the lore.

And Kenneth Donnelly also notes that Asari Matriarchs are more 'ample', as he wishes to possibly retire to a home including them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

According to Matriarch Aethyta, it's a political tactic. Asari Matriarchs use sex appeal to help get what they want in negotiations. 

[Il Divo]

That's cool but doesn't really have much meaning when out in the middle of a blizzard, especially since the reason Benezia has to visit Peak 15 in the first place is the Rachni going crazy. That's more military containment than it is political negotiation. 

[KaiserShep]

The whole idea of using sex appeal to get what one wants out of cold, heartless space corporations, especially ones run by frogs and birds seems kind of ridiculous. A salarian is more likely to be aroused by a breeding contract with a prestigious clan than a shapely bosom. 

[Nomen Mendax]

According to Matriarch Aethyta, it's a political tactic. Asari Matriarchs use sex appeal to help get what they want in negotiations. 

I didn't know there was a lore reason - but like the squad members clothes its just an excuse for the writers to include some gratuitous T&A. I don't find it particularly offensive (although I wouldn't blame women who did), its just embarrassingly immature, but maybe I'm just too old for it.

[von uber]

Sorry, but I think this has to be said: it's a mature rated game, that in by itself expects a level of maturity when it comes to violence, sex and swearing.
If you are not comfortable with this then maybe mass effect is not for you? It would be like demanding reservoir dogs removes the violence and swearing so as not to offend your sensibilities. Bizarre.

[JGDD]

Sorry, but I think this has to be said: it's a mature rated game, that in by itself expects a level of maturity when it comes to violence, sex and swearing.
If you are not comfortable with this then maybe mass effect is not for you? It would be like demanding reservoir dogs removes the violence and swearing so as not to offend your sensibilities. Bizarre.

Correction: last three installments were mature rated games. We can presume the next will follow suit, but no one can say for certain right now.

[themikefest]

I never paid attention to Benezia's bosom. Wasn't impressed. But I was laughing more at the headgear she wore and the stupid comment she made about 'Have you ever seen an asari commando unit before? Few humans have.' she says to Shepard. Just before she dies I wanted to say, Have you ever seen a human spectre before? Few asari have.'

 

The armor that Samara wore didn't impress me or lack of when it came to her bosom. What made it even worse is her wearing the face mask. Yeah. Whatever. That armor might be fine on a ship in between missions, but during a mission and in a hostile environment, it doesn't work

 

Of course this  applies to the other squadmates that use the face mask and lack of armor as well

[Elhanan]

I never paid attention to Benezia's bosom. Wasn't impressed. But I was laughing more at the headgear she wore and the stupid comment she made about 'Have you ever seen an asari commando unit before? Few humans have.' she says to Shepard. Just before she dies I wanted to say, Have you ever seen a human spectre before? Few asari have.'
 
The armor that Samara wore didn't impress me or lack of when it came to her bosom. What made it even worse is her wearing the face mask. Yeah. Whatever. That armor might be fine on a ship in between missions, but during a mission and in a hostile environment, it doesn't work
 
Of course this  applies to the other squadmates that use the face mask and lack of armor as well

Who cares about costumes and headgear when one has the VO of Counselor Troi?!

[themikefest]

Who cares about costumes and headgear when one has the VO of Counselor Troi?!

Who is that?

[Elhanan]

Who is that?

Marina Sirtis

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000642/

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I never paid attention to Benezia's bosom. Wasn't impressed. But I was laughing more at the headgear she wore and the stupid comment she made about 'Have you ever seen an asari commando unit before? Few humans have.' she says to Shepard. Just before she dies I wanted to say, Have you ever seen a human spectre before? Few asari have.'

 

The armor that Samara wore didn't impress me or lack of when it came to her bosom. What made it even worse is her wearing the face mask. Yeah. Whatever. That armor might be fine on a ship in between missions, but during a mission and in a hostile environment, it doesn't work

 

Of course this  applies to the other squadmates that use the face mask and lack of armor as well

 

Not to mention Jack's upper body "armour" in space.

 

Me 2 and 3 went with the 'iconic' look, which let them design an outfit that they felt  matched the personality of the character they were trying to portray. Beyond all common sense when it comes to practicality.

[God]

I'm down for more explicit content, whether that be profanity, violence, sex, drugs, nudity...so long as the content isn't gratuitous. Explicit content becomes an issue for me only when it has no reason to be in the game other than for shock value or titillation.

 

On that note I thought the most gratuitous content in the Mass Effect series wasn't profanity or nudity, but the ridiculous camera angles centered on Miranda's clothed backside during conversations.

 

As a Miranda fan who is very intrigued with her character in a narrative sense, it does come off as rather irritating when BW constantly came up with those shots. Once might be fine, but to make it a running joke was just juvenile.