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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Who cares about costumes and headgear when one has the VO of Counselor Troi?!

 

When I first played, I was expecting her to tell Saren "I sense anger"

[Il Divo]

I never paid attention to Benezia's bosom. Wasn't impressed. But I was laughing more at the headgear she wore and the stupid comment she made about 'Have you ever seen an asari commando unit before? Few humans have.' she says to Shepard. Just before she dies I wanted to say, Have you ever seen a human spectre before? Few asari have.'

 

The armor that Samara wore didn't impress me or lack of when it came to her bosom. What made it even worse is her wearing the face mask. Yeah. Whatever. That armor might be fine on a ship in between missions, but during a mission and in a hostile environment, it doesn't work

 

Of course this  applies to the other squadmates that use the face mask and lack of armor as well

 

I loved Noveria overall. It's one of my favorite Bioware sequences. But everything about Benezia from her voice-acting, to her dialogue, to the boss fight itself was pretty bad. It was probably the low point of the game, imo. 

[Paulomedi]

I would love to play a game placed only on The Citadel, envolving C-SEC, drugs, corruption and so on, with an 80's vibe on it (nudity, violence, mature themes and so on).

[Vazgen]

Again, though, this only works if the scenes with explicit content have nothing else in them. If you have a scene that contains nudity but also has dialogue and character development in it, then a feature like this would cut out that.

 

Of course, we can't say for sure which way Bioware'll go with the love scenes; just because this is the direction the Dragon Age team seems to be going doesn't mean the Mass Effect team will follow suit. But if they did go in the direction of the "explicit" scenes having dialogue and story development in them, then that would be a reason not to include this feature.

Why not? So these people will miss that piece of character development, what of it? They make the choice to avoid explicit content, that means they cut themselves of the portion of the game. It's their choice and their sacrifice to make.

[Iakus]

Why not? So these people will miss that piece of character development, what of it? They make the choice to avoid explicit content, that means they cut themselves of the portion of the game. It's their choice and their sacrifice to make.

It shouldn't be, though

[Vazgen]

It shouldn't be, though

Why not? They make a conscious choice to avoid content. The game should not penalize them for it, but it does not mean that people with censorship filter option turned on will get the same amount of content as those who have it turned off. That statement is false by its very definition. 

An example, "always on" option for the helmet in the trilogy. Using it is a choice that players make. It locks them away from seeing facial expressions and they might lose important contextual clues in certain scenes. But it is an option, a choice players can make if they feel that Shepard breathing without a hitch on a desolate moon, krogan and quarian homeworlds breaks their immersion. 

[9TailsFox]

When I first played, I was expecting her to tell Saren "I sense anger"

I want some alians who have psionic powers. Imagine your companion mid controlled by someone.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

They should make the content even more explict.

[Chealec]

Why not? They make a conscious choice to avoid content. The game should not penalize them for it, but it does not mean that people with censorship filter option turned on will get the same amount of content as those who have it turned off. That statement is false by its very definition.

 

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That's pretty much the point I was trying to make (several) pages back - only worded better

[Former_Fiend]

You know, a thought occurs to me. 

 

I wonder if, for those here who don't want nudity included in the games and don't like romance scenes that feature nudity, if the problem isn't a lack of immersion. If you don't feel like one of the characters in the scene and instead feel like a voyeuristic observer, and that is part of what makes you uncomfortable. Or, perhaps the awareness that millions of others are playing these games and seeing the same scene, just on that basic knowledge, takes you out of it and it becomes less personal.

 

I mean, presumably everyone here is alright with the idea that our character and their love interest see each other naked, whether that happens on camera or off. I know there are some who would like a "wait until marriage" option but aside from that the only real complaint here is that once the sex is over and the camera fades back in, the characters haven't hurriedly rushed back into their clothing.

 

So, am I near the mark here? Is the problem with it that you just feel like a third party to these scenes?

[Elhanan]

Only speaking for myself, but No; immersion is not the case.

It simply is not appealing for me to have virtual nudity. Seeing examples of all those Player created mods for various games, titles that focus on sex and nudity as exploitive bait, etc; have no desire for the inclusion.

As for the subject, prefer to not have it included, but if implemented, have it remain optional. It appears thru this discussion that some scenes in DAI may not have been avoidable via Escape key. However, one could also pass on the Romance, so it was my choice to encounter such content.

This is the difference with obscenity; not as avoidable, and it is intrusive. Having an option for this to be optional in some way seems like a fine idea, IMO.

[Former_Fiend]

I've said before in other threads, I don't find the inclusion of sex and nudity to be inherently exploitative or obscene. When used poorly or gratuitously, it can be either and both. But almost anything can be exploited and a whole host of things used in the wrong context can become obscene. 

 

Again, I don't think anyone should be forced to see anything; I think you should be able to watch or not watch whatever you want. But I do find that the blanket labeling of any use of sex and nudity in media to be obscene and/or exploitative to be disturbing and indicative of serious problems in western culture. 

[Elhanan]

I've said before in other threads, I don't find the inclusion of sex and nudity to be inherently exploitative or obscene. When used poorly or gratuitously, it can be either and both. But almost anything can be exploited and a whole host of things used in the wrong context can become obscene. 
 
Again, I don't think anyone should be forced to see anything; I think you should be able to watch or not watch whatever you want. But I do find that the blanket labeling of any use of sex and nudity in media to be obscene and/or exploitative to be disturbing and indicative of serious problems in western culture.

Evidently, varied standards are problematic for game designers in all cultures (eg; India, Japan, etc). And what one person's standards will vary beyond their own cultural norms. Hence, having a single player method for optional settings is helpful, as well as continuing to help keep such content optional.

[Iakus]

You know, a thought occurs to me. 

 

I wonder if, for those here who don't want nudity included in the games and don't like romance scenes that feature nudity, if the problem isn't a lack of immersion. If you don't feel like one of the characters in the scene and instead feel like a voyeuristic observer, and that is part of what makes you uncomfortable. Or, perhaps the awareness that millions of others are playing these games and seeing the same scene, just on that basic knowledge, takes you out of it and it becomes less personal.

 

I mean, presumably everyone here is alright with the idea that our character and their love interest see each other naked, whether that happens on camera or off. I know there are some who would like a "wait until marriage" option but aside from that the only real complaint here is that once the sex is over and the camera fades back in, the characters haven't hurriedly rushed back into their clothing.

 

So, am I near the mark here? Is the problem with it that you just feel like a third party to these scenes?

A voyeuristic observer is a good choice of words.

 

I mean, imagine hearing your neighbors going at it.  Even if you're the one who originally  introduced them, do you really want that much information on their love lives?

[AlanC9]

Maybe it's just because I'm finally getting around to reading The Elementary Particles this week, but I'm finding this whole topic hard to take seriously.

Anyway, I think Elhanan's right above that there is some value in letting gamers tailor peripheral aspects of the game to their own tastes -- whatever ME:A will be about, it certainly isn't going to be about the characters' sexuality, and just as certainly won't be about the sheer carnage of warfare. The question is whether the value is worth the cost, and that's always going to depend on the specific implementation proposed.

[Pasquale1234]

You know, a thought occurs to me. 
 
I wonder if, for those here who don't want nudity included in the games and don't like romance scenes that feature nudity, if the problem isn't a lack of immersion. If you don't feel like one of the characters in the scene and instead feel like a voyeuristic observer, and that is part of what makes you uncomfortable. Or, perhaps the awareness that millions of others are playing these games and seeing the same scene, just on that basic knowledge, takes you out of it and it becomes less personal.
 
I mean, presumably everyone here is alright with the idea that our character and their love interest see each other naked, whether that happens on camera or off. I know there are some who would like a "wait until marriage" option but aside from that the only real complaint here is that once the sex is over and the camera fades back in, the characters haven't hurriedly rushed back into their clothing.
 
So, am I near the mark here? Is the problem with it that you just feel like a third party to these scenes?

You're getting there. I personally am not nearly as bugged about NPC nudity as I am about seeing the PC nekkid - it's one of the reasons I haven't bought or played DAI (the OTT sexy strut walk / run animation is another).

I consume a lot of other forms of media that include nudity and sex scenes, but just can't quite go there in an RPG. And even then, I get tired of it sometimes - a lot of it really doesn't add much of anything to characterization or plot. I understand that porn is a multi-billion $ industry, but I don't generally see sex as a spectator sport. I'm big on respecting privacy, and am not into voyeurism.

BTW, just because someone doesn't like something does not mean they are offended by it. I don't want tomatoes on my sandwich, but that doesn't mean they offend me.

In role-play, I put a lot of myself into my character. That doesn't mean that all of them are self-inserts, only that I like to fully know the character I am playing - her thoughts, feelings, ideas, priorities. I fill in a lot of the blanks. The role-play is happening in my brain, and the more the devs try to invade that space, the harder it is for me to want to maintain that connection. The idea that a group of guys sitting in an office thousands of miles away decided how my character looks and acts nekkid is, frankly, more than a little creepy.

On top of all of that, some of it just looks... weird. Static breasts (sans jiggle physics) on a body moving around look no more "natural" than showering in undies, imho. In fact, static breasts look a lot more natural if they are confined and supported by a bra. But taking off that bra gets praised as something so much more natural and progressive.

As for other intimate conversation (e.g., pillow talk), I find some of it much more meaningful if it occurs elsewhere. The post-coital setting is where people are at their most vulnerable, and most likely to say things they might not say or mean in a different atmosphere. So I'd actually prefer that the "I love you" (or whatever) conversations take place elsewhere.

JMHO.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Liara never wears any.

Neither do Banshees *shudder*

I read the OP and can't say I have a problem with the request. OP is asking for more options, not the option to censor what people like. Those are two different things. Nothing to get upset about. If the OP was demanding that this stuff be cut from the game, then you'd have something to complain about. That's not what they're asking, though, which is why reading the entire OP is important.

[Cheviot]

You know, a thought occurs to me. 

 

I wonder if, for those here who don't want nudity included in the games and don't like romance scenes that feature nudity, if the problem isn't a lack of immersion. If you don't feel like one of the characters in the scene and instead feel like a voyeuristic observer, and that is part of what makes you uncomfortable. Or, perhaps the awareness that millions of others are playing these games and seeing the same scene, just on that basic knowledge, takes you out of it and it becomes less personal.

No it's because the animation is wonky as hell and you don't have dialogue to take you're mind off it and, even if you looked past that what you've got is, at best, a deleted scene from the Red Shoe Diaries.

[Seishoujyo]

ME1 was nearly accused from being pornography in TV for showing nudity, it was quite big affair.

 

Nudity in ME1 is reason why in next installments love interest were always in underwear.  

 

Lol what ? You call this nudity ? Wow you have a serious problem in the USA and you should really to do something about it.

 

ME1 was really NOTHING in term of nudity, a joke, let's talk about Heavy Rain, GTA V or The Witcher, that's actually is nudity or even sex, and nobody's making a fuss about it in Europe.

 

And Bioware should be ashamed to censor ME2 because of some stupid reporters, they should give them the middlefinger and put even more nudity in ME2, grow some balls dammit because being infamous for the medias isn't a bad thing, GTA call tell you something.

[Shechinah]

Yes, Bioware was so ashamed of the "journalism" that just about everybody ridiculed even a man infamous for making baseless accusations against games and their developers. Their shame were further enforced by EA who requested that Fox News issued an open letter with corrections about the serious errors.

 

The Mass Effect development team were so ashamed that they decided in Mass Effect 2 to, amongst other things, introduce a crew amongst which was someone who had some serious clevage going on, someone who wore a series of straps in place of a shirt, someone whose behind had lingering shots dedicated to it and someone who performs an erotic dance for you personally and privately in a stripper's outfit.

 

From what I've read and seen in regards to the incident, Bioware had the support of everyone that were important to their continued business; their parent company, gaming journalism and gamers. Any of their subsequent games comes closer to match the criteria of the accusations that were levelled at the first Mass Effect installment. 

 

(http://www.shacknews...nds-to-fox-news) - For those curious about or interested in reading EA's response to Fox News. 

[JamesFaith]

Lol what ? You call this nudity ? Wow you have a serious problem in the USA and you should really to do something about it.

 

ME1 was really NOTHING in term of nudity, a joke, let's talk about Heavy Rain, GTA V or The Witcher, that's actually is nudity or even sex, and nobody's making a fuss about it in Europe.

 

And Bioware should be ashamed to censor ME2 because of some stupid reporters, they should give them the middlefinger and put even more nudity in ME2, grow some balls dammit because being infamous for the medias isn't a bad thing, GTA call tell you something.

 

 First - why should I do something with US when I don't live there?

 

Second - FOX call it nudity, not me. In my country US prudence about nudity is bottomless source of jokes.

[Elhanan]

Yes, Bioware was so ashamed of the "journalism" that just about everybody ridiculed even a man infamous for making baseless accusations against games and their developers. Their shame were further enforced by EA who requested that Fox News issued an open letter with corrections about the serious errors.
 
The Mass Effect development team were so ashamed that they decided in Mass Effect 2 to, amongst other things, introduce a crew amongst which was someone who had some serious clevage going on, someone who wore a series of straps in place of a shirt, someone whose behind had lingering shots dedicated to it and someone who performs an erotic dance for you personally and privately in a stripper's outfit.
 
From what I've read and seen in regards to the incident, Bioware had the support of everyone that were important to their continued business; their parent company, gaming journalism and gamers. Any of their subsequent games comes closer to match the criteria of the accusations that were levelled at the first Mass Effect installment. 
 
(http://www.shacknews...nds-to-fox-news) - For those curious about or interested in reading EA's response to Fox News.

Also recall a few positive articles published on Fox News regarding ME, as well as a report that a country banned the game for a time, too. As Martha M still is working, am guessing that such an apology was issued, too. Would not want any to think that they are as prejudiced as the gaming community....

[Former_Fiend]

I will say that I actually liked the ME2 scenes better than the ME1 scene. I say scene because it was the same thing for all three of the romance options, just a few seconds of naked twister that doesn't really mean anything. 

 

The ME2 scenes where specially crafted for each of the LI's and were meant to be appropriate to them. I like that approach better. 

 

They can do that with or without showing nudity - I think Miranda's scene would have worked just as well with nudity as without. With most of the others I'm not sure how much of the issue came to being one-bit-twice-shy about it after Fox made a fuss about the first game compared to resource management in making nude models for everyone, given that in ME the clothes are actually the model's "skin".

[FKA_Servo]

Also recall a few positive articles published on Fox News regarding ME, as well as a report that a country banned the game for a time, too. As Martha M still is working, am guessing that such an apology was issued, too. Would not want any to think that they are as prejudiced as the gaming community....

 

As if blatant dishonesty and lack of integrity are any barrier to continued employment at Fox News.

[Elhanan]

As if blatant dishonesty and lack of integrity is any barrier to continued employment at Fox News.

My cautionary point illustrated....