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[FKA_Servo]

That is something I have been curious about. Does skippable cutscenes encourage game developers to focus less on cutscene development? 

 

I think the percentage of people who would actually do so for reasons like this is vanishingly small, so it wouldn't encourage developers to do anything in either direction, particularly.

 

I think most people would watch cutscenes the first few times through, and then appreciate the option to skip past them on subsequent playthroughs, regardless of the content depicted therein.

[von uber]

JOE (pointing to Mr. Orange) This man set us up.

CAMERA does a 360 around the men.

EDDIE Daddy, I'm sorry, I don't know what's happening.

JOE That's okay, Eddie, I do.

MR. WHITE (to Joe) What the dang are you talking about?

JOE (pointing to Mr. Orange) That piece of rubbish. Workin with the cops.

MR. WHITE   MR. PINK   EDDIE What?

JOE I said this lump of dangleberrys is workin with the LAPD.

MR. ORANGE'S POV Looking up from the floor at everybody. Joe looks down at Mr. Orange.

JOE Aren't you?

MR. ORANGE (OS) I don't have the slightest dang-dong-diddly idea what you're talkin about.

MR. WHITE (very calmly to Joe) Joe, I don't know what you think you know, but you're wrong.

JOE Like larksadaisy I am.

MR. WHITE (very calmly) Joe, trust me on this, you've made a mistake. He's a good kid. I understand you're hot, you're
rootin-tootingly angry. We're all real emotional. But you're barking up the wrong tree. I know this man, and he wouldn't do that.

JOE You don't know jack fiddlesticks. I do. This rotten naughty boy tipped off the cops and got Mr. Brown and Mr. Blue killed.

MR. PINK Mr. Blue's dead?

JOE Dead as Dillinger.

EDDIE The cheesemonger killed Vic.

MR. WHITE How do you know all this?

JOE He was the only one I wasn't a hundred percent on. I should have my diddly head examined for goin forward when I wasn't a 
hundred percent. But he seemed like a good kid, and I was impatient and greedy and all the things that mess you up.
 
MR. WHITE (screaming) That's your proof?

JOE You don't need proof when you got instinct. I ignored it before, but not no more.

He WHIPS out a revolver and aims it at Mr. Orange.

Mr. White brings his .45 up at Joe.

Eddie and Mr. Pink are shook awake by the flash of firearms. Eddie raises his gun, pointing it at Mr. White.

EDDIE Have you lost your cowbell mind? Put your gun down!

Mr. Pink fades into the B.G., wanting no part of this.

MR. WHITE Joe, you're making a terrible mistake I can't let you make.

EDDIE Stop pointing your rather nice gun at daddy!

[Kabooooom]

JOE (pointing to Mr. Orange) This man set us up.

CAMERA does a 360 around the men.

EDDIE Daddy, I'm sorry, I don't know what's happening.

JOE That's okay, Eddie, I do.

MR. WHITE (to Joe) What the dang are you talking about?

JOE (pointing to Mr. Orange) That piece of rubbish. Workin with the cops.

MR. WHITE   MR. PINK   EDDIE What?

JOE I said this lump of dangleberrys is workin with the LAPD.

MR. ORANGE'S POV Looking up from the floor at everybody. Joe looks down at Mr. Orange.

JOE Aren't you?

MR. ORANGE (OS) I don't have the slightest dang-dong-diddly idea what you're talkin about.

MR. WHITE (very calmly to Joe) Joe, I don't know what you think you know, but you're wrong.

JOE Like larksadaisy I am.

MR. WHITE (very calmly) Joe, trust me on this, you've made a mistake. He's a good kid. I understand you're hot, you're
rootin-tootingly angry. We're all real emotional. But you're barking up the wrong tree. I know this man, and he wouldn't do that.

JOE You don't know jack fiddlesticks. I do. This rotten naughty boy tipped off the cops and got Mr. Brown and Mr. Blue killed.

MR. PINK Mr. Blue's dead?

JOE Dead as Dillinger.

EDDIE The cheesemonger killed Vic.

MR. WHITE How do you know all this?

JOE He was the only one I wasn't a hundred percent on. I should have my diddly head examined for goin forward when I wasn't a 
hundred percent. But he seemed like a good kid, and I was impatient and greedy and all the things that mess you up.
 
MR. WHITE (screaming) That's your proof?

JOE You don't need proof when you got instinct. I ignored it before, but not no more.

He WHIPS out a revolver and aims it at Mr. Orange.

Mr. White brings his .45 up at Joe.

Eddie and Mr. Pink are shook awake by the flash of firearms. Eddie raises his gun, pointing it at Mr. White.

EDDIE Have you lost your cowbell mind? Put your gun down!

Mr. Pink fades into the B.G., wanting no part of this.

MR. WHITE Joe, you're making a terrible mistake I can't let you make.

EDDIE Stop pointing your rather nice gun at daddy!

Yes, why can't we have a PG version of this movie? The way it is now just offends me so much that I simply can't watch it.

Btw that was a brilliant post.

[Chealec]

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[Han Shot First]

Usually because intent/tone/historical usage are factors as well. Think about how the n-word is not considered a suitable substitute for "African-American". Sure, they're referring to the same basic content. But one word is highly offensive. The other? Not so much. 

 

For less controversial examples, even other words/phrases which are considered synonyms might have subtle differences which serve to differentiate them. 

 

Swearing tends to fill a certain niche in our vocabulary. I can't say I'd be happy about its eradication from entertainment. Not to mention, certain other words would simply fill the void inevitably to then become swear words. 

 

While I agree with your post, the reasons many words become offensive is somewhat arbitrary. Take the word **** for example. It is rather mild as far as swear words go but it is still a word that would cause parents to correct their children if one of them uttered it. Words like crap or poop however, would likely get no reaction despite having exact same meaning. 

 

EDIT: The profanity filter is apparently much like the parents I used in the above example. The four letter word that got the asterisk treatment starts with an S and rhymes with hit.

 

With that in mind I do think it is somewhat illogical that adults would be offended by swear words in their video games, since most of those words are only deemed 'offensive' because society arbitrarily labelled them as such. There is no real rhyme or reason to it.

 

Pejoratives like the N-word are exceptions, and it makes sense that people would find them offensive since they are meant to insult or demean people. They only make up a fraction of swear words however. A good amount are related to religion, bodily functions, or sex.  

[Oni Changas]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

[Han Shot First]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

 

The post you're referring to was satirical. It was poking fun at requests for some sort of in game profanity filter, by showing how the Ned Flanders treatment would have ruined Reservoir Dogs.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

 

I already asked people to make the experiment with Pulp Fiction several pages earlier. ^^

[Elhanan]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

I enjoyed Crimson Tide, but cannot recall watching another QT film unless censored first; an excellent example.

[Il Divo]

I already asked people to make the experiment with Pulp Fiction several pages earlier. ^^

 

It would have been an abomination, no doubt. Actually, I think someone did try it much earlier with the opening narration from Pulp Fiction. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I enjoyed Crimson Tide, but cannot recall watching another QT film unless censored first; an excellent example.

 

Simple solution: Don't watch Tarantino movies.

[Elhanan]

Simple solution: Don't watch Tarantino movies.

I don't; hence my post on this topic....

[Il Divo]

While I agree with your post, the reasons many words become offensive is somewhat arbitrary. Take the word **** for example. It is rather mild as far as swear words go but it is still a word that would cause parents to correct their children if one of them uttered it. Words like crap or poop however, would likely get no reaction despite having exact same meaning. 

 

EDIT: The profanity filter is apparently much like the parents I used in the above example. The four letter word that got the asterisk treatment starts with an S and rhymes with hit.

 

With that in mind I do think it is somewhat illogical that adults would be offended by swear words in their video games, since most of those words are only deemed 'offensive' because society arbitrarily labelled them as such. There is no real rhyme or reason to it.

 

Pejoratives like the N-word are exceptions, and it makes sense that people would find them offensive since they are meant to insult or demean people. They only make up a fraction of swear words however. A good amount are related to religion, bodily functions, or sex.

 

Well, there you go. 

 

But jokes aside, I don't think we're disagreeing here. Even if we were to eradicate our current swear words, something else would merely fill the void over the time, hence why I find the notion kinda funny.

[FKA_Servo]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

 

[Iakus]

Wow.... offended by a Taratino script... I'm done with this thread. I cant believe people are so soft. This era has too much-yeah, I'll just stop before I get banned.

You know, there was a time when Tarantino's work was considered pretty shocking, with extreme violence and profanity.

 

That said, I did enjoy Reservoir Dogs, but not much else by him.

[Il Divo]

You know, there was a time when Tarantino's work was considered pretty shocking, with extreme violence and profanity.

 

That said, I did enjoy Reservoir Dogs, but not much else by him.

 

Ayep, they talk about this on the Reservoir Dogs dvd. The ear-cutting scene is probably one of my favorites in movies, but at the time it came under heavy fire. 

[Former_Fiend]

I'm a huge Tarantino fan, myself. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are two of my all time favorite movies. His later films - Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained, especially - suffer from being overly long and unfocused, but I wouldn't point to any of his films problems as being related to content.

[Nomen Mendax]

Swearing in movies and games doesn't bother me but I don't find its inclusion as important as some of you seem to. I've seen Reservoir Dogs a couple of times and think its a good movie - but not because the script had a lot of swearing in it.

 

As an aside I found some of the swearing in ME2 natural but some of it seemed forced.

[FKA_Servo]

I'm a huge Tarantino fan, myself. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are two of my all time favorite movies. His later films - Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained, especially - suffer from being overly long and unfocused, but I wouldn't point to any of his films problems as being related to content.

 

I think he can be a little pretentious and big-headed.

 

I'm not a huge Tarantino fan, mostly because most of his best films are crime stories, and crime stories (at least those with some basis in real-life) don't interest me very much. I'll admit that really visceral violence in film wigs me out sometimes (doesn't offend me, doesn't really bother me in other media either, but I do get squeamish).

 

Death Proof is my favorite, though, followed by Kill Bill Vol 1. Both of them are really great movies. He has a hell of a magic touch with soundtracks.

[Il Divo]

I'm a huge Tarantino fan, myself. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are two of my all time favorite movies. His later films - Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained, especially - suffer from being overly long and unfocused, but I wouldn't point to any of his films problems as being related to content.

 

Same for me. Reservoir Dogs is in my top five (liked it better than Pulp Fiction, blasphemous as that might be). His later films definitely feel a bit more pretentious/self-aware unfortunately. I enjoyed Django/Basterds but I think they're below his gangster flicks and Kill Bill. 

[N7M]

The post you're referring to was satirical. It was poking fun at requests for some sort of in game profanity filter, by showing how the Ned Flanders treatment would have ruined Reservoir Dogs.

Because Mass Effect and Reservoir Dogs are so similar in content?  

Great analogy. 

[AresKeith]

You know, there was a time when Tarantino's work was considered pretty shocking, with extreme violence and profanity.

 

That said, I did enjoy Reservoir Dogs, but not much else by him.

 

Not D'Jango?

[Former_Fiend]

Because Mass Effect and Reservoir Dogs are so similar in content?  

Great analogy. 

 

The original argument was that several movies - Reservoir Dogs among them - don't work without the harsh language.

 

You can write those scenes without the language, but they don't feel authentic. It feels artificially constructed for no other purpose than to keep out profanity.

 

How this applies to Mass Effect relates to specific characters; Jack, Aria, Zaeed, specifically. They don't work nearly as well without the cursing. They could be made serviceable, but the use of profanity for those characters does a far better job of conveying their personalities than would be done without profanity.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I just looked at the original script for Blade Runner, which was one of the original inspirations for Mass Effect besides Star Wars/Trek.  In my head I started editing out all of the stronger language in that movie.  Just like ME, there isn't a lot of strong language (just counted 4 f-bombs, 12 s-bombs, and one use of BS for the entire movie,) but what there is adds emphasis to a critical scene or moment.  

 

Blade Runner is a dystopia sci-fi based upon our potential future, much like ME (only ME tends to be even less bleak overall,) and to take away those words and make things more sanity doesn't work for that setting.  ME isn't a full-blown dystopia like Blade Runner was, but even still, life isn't happy and shiny.  Language shouldn't be either.

 

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing more "alien" curse words.  Even the roughest of language can tell a person a lot about another's culture.  It's interesting to see what would be considered an insult in an alien language that sounds outright innocent in galactic.  If a word or phrase is considered foul language in a culture, then there is usually historical reasons for that.  I think it's a neat way to expand the lore some, as long as it's in small doses of course.  

 

Also, I would enjoy if someone drops a commonly used curse word like the f-bomb and have the alien be confused.  Cue the PC awkwardly trying to explain to him why these words are considered inappropriate in our society.  

[Il Divo]

I just looked at the original script for Blade Runner, which was one of the original inspirations for Mass Effect besides Star Wars/Trek.  In my head I started editing out all of the stronger language in that movie.  Just like ME, there isn't a lot of strong language (just counted 4 f-bombs, 12 s-bombs, and one use of BS for the entire movie,) but what there is adds emphasis to a critical scene or moment.  

 

 

I think in general it just shows what happens when writers are forced against their narrative intent.

 

Harrison Ford's opening narration in the Blade Runner director's cut being a prime example.