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[FKA_Servo]

Thought police; George Orwell must be soooo pleased.....

 

The thought police would not discourage censorship based on entrenched ideology. In any case, I'm genuinely surprised that 1984 passes muster.

 

Seriously, if someone can deal with the miles of troubling content in these games but needs to plug their ears or close their eyes when someone drops an F bomb or a nip slips out (things that collectively happen less than ten times over the course of a 40+ hour game, and that's generally if you're looking for them), that is profoundly weird.

 

Once again, these complaints might make an ounce of sense if Bioware games were anything approaching gratuitous, but they're not. Even if they were more gratuitous, everyone playing them is ostensibly an adult. They're hopefully able to hear or see something without acting it out later like an eight year old, and they're hopefully able to process these things without complaining for a some inane "toggle" to shield them and only them from all this salty language.

 

I just hope the devs frequently exercise their right to regard certain requests as petty and absurd (considering the BSN, they've had a lot of practice).

[Elhanan]

I am bothered more by those that believe they have the right to assault others with their language. It is still punishable, as these forums can attest.

[Br3admax]

I was just pointing out that you saying it can always be avoided is inaccurate since like I said as of DAI there are scenes that involve the person having to see it in order to continue the scene, rather than just skipping the whole thing. 

It's not that inaccurate at all. Optional content is always avoidable, and while I admit that that one scene has a nipple in it, if you're female, it shouldn't be a deal breaker in a romance that involves very graphic forms of erotic descriptions. No one is going to romance someone like the Iron Bull and care that they see a nipple in it. If they do, they obviously have their priorities mixed up, and that type of fan is not worth catering to. 

[Chealec]

I am bothered more by those that believe they have the right to assault others with their language. It is still punishable, as these forums can attest.

 

These forums aren't 'M' rated though...

[SnakeCode]

Not really, seems many here like it all. As for myself, dislike the profanity, and can generally skip most of the nudity and sexual content. But a Toggle is a good idea.

 

That's ridiculous. People thinking that that these things should be allowed within storytelling isn't the same as people liking or condoning the acts themselves. Pretty much everybody agrees that rape is terrible, but you will see many people laugh at rape jokes, and i'll always defend a comedian's right to tell them. People generally don't approve of killing, but don't get squeamish as they gun/chop down hundreds in a videogame.

 

As for swearing and nudity, unfortunately for you they're a part of life where there are no toggles, and as long as videogames try to mimic real life on some level they aren't something that's going to disappear.

[Elhanan]

That's ridiculous. People thinking that that these things should be allowed within storytelling isn't the same as people liking or condoning the acts themselves. Pretty much everybody agrees that rape is terrible, but you will see many people laugh at rape jokes, and i'll always defend comedian's right to tell them. People generally don't approve of killing, but don't get squeamish as they gun/chop down hundreds in a videogame.
 
As for swearing and nudity, unfortunately for you they're a part of life, and as long as videogames try to mimic real life on some level they aren't something that's going to disappear.

They might if there was a Toggle installed....

Those that often pose the violence argument play the same games I do. The difference is I dislike Gore (ie; use optional Settings); am uncertain if they do or not. Yet they play the same violent content that they exemplify as something that should be distasteful to me due to the fact I dislike other materials. If the violence is so much worse, then they should avoid it, too. As for me, I ask to retain the Gore settings, and also include options to restrict the other content.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I am bothered more by those that believe they have the right to assault others with their language. It is still punishable, as these forums can attest.

 

Ooooh, clever word choice! Assault, my, you're good at this. It almost gives credibility to your argument.

 

No one is assaulting anyone. Does anyone force you to buy and play these games which are rated M? No. By starting a mature game you gave your consent and now you don't get to complain about it.

 

Adult language in a game is a completely different matter than adult language in the forum and by trying to confusing the two you once again revealed that you don't actually have any arguments supporting your inane toggle idea.

[FKA_Servo]

Seems to me that restricting gore is a lot easier than other things though.

 

Toggles will not work for the other stuff. Once again, if we're censoring the other content, it means these are our options.

 

Re-scripting and reanimating various cutscenes. Rewriting and rerecording certain bits of dialogue while retaining the character of the uncensored original material. These options would probably highly cost intensive. Yeah, right. This'll happen.

 

Censor bars and bleeps. Not only would the latter supposedly be difficult to implement, having censor bars and bleeps would be moronic. It would just look and sound so stupid that nobody would be able to take it seriously. It would be a disastrous artistic choice. Not going to happen.

 

Neutering the content across the board and going for a lower rating. Maybe like, five people want them to do this. I'm quite sure the developers would rather not be constrained in this way. This is the most likely, and disappointing, way they'd go about this. Nobody, except for maybe like, three people, want this to happen.

 

Personally, I don't need their games to devolve into a titz'n'gore spectacle, but I appreciate them taking a more adult direction. I do not want this to change under any circumstances. I get the impression that this perspective is one I share with the overwhelming majority of the audience.

[Il Divo]

They might if there was a Toggle installed....

Those that often pose the violence argument play the same games I do. The difference is I dislike Gore (ie; use optional Settings); am uncertain if they do or not. Yet they play the same violent content that they exemplify as something that should be distasteful to me due to the fact I dislike other materials. If the violence is so much worse, then they should avoid it, too. As for me, I ask to retain the Gore settings, and also include options to restrict the other content.

 

To be clear, you're misunderstanding their argument. Their stance is that violence would be considered worse than language/sexual content, but still not objectionable. Somebody who dislikes nudity/language in gaming on moral grounds should also be opposed to killing. That argument doesn't run in reverse, since killing is generally regarded as more problematic. 

 

In other words: they're using your own premise against you, but they don't accept that premise as true. 

 

Even if we were to argue that we're only killing "bad guys", it still leaves us the problem of glorifying violence, sanitized or not. 

[Chealec]

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Censor bars and bleeps. Not only would the latter supposedly be difficult to implement, having censor bars and bleeps would be moronic. It would just look and sound so stupid that nobody would be able to take it seriously. It would be a disastrous artistic choice. Not going to happen.

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It would only be disastrous for people who turned the toggle on and well.. they asked for it.

[N7Jamaican]

I'm more offended by how people show up to Wal-mart than I am with side-boob and a bare ass.

[FKA_Servo]

It would only be disastrous for people who turned the toggle on and well.. they asked for it.

 

If they want to present their work in the best possible light, they won't include it at all. Nobody should see it, because it's laughable.

 

Has anyone ever watched a network TV broadcast of "Showgirls?" Yeah.

[Chealec]

I'm more offended by how people show up to Wal-mart than I am with side-boob and a bare ass.

 

Especially if they've got obnoxious, noisy toddlers in tow - seriously, boarding school from birth to 21 is the way to go!

[Elhanan]

To be clear, you're misunderstanding their argument. Their stance is that violence would be considered worse than language/sexual content, but still not objectionable. Somebody who dislikes nudity/language in gaming on moral grounds should also be opposed to killing. That argument doesn't run in reverse, since killing is generally regarded as more problematic. 
 
In other words: they're using your own premise against you, but they don't accept that premise as true. 
 
Even if we were to argue that we're only killing "bad guys", it still leaves us the problem of glorifying violence, sanitized or not.

I know, but do not accept that argument. I do object to violent content depending on the game; have yet to play any title such as GTA, Payday, etc. with that as a main factor. I also object to excessive use of vulgarity, nudity, and sexual materials, and avoid them as possible. No TW series; no FO series.

So when someone suggests a method like the OP to gain better access to play games that have such content, I support it.

[N7Jamaican]

Especially if they've got obnoxious, noisy toddlers in tow - seriously, boarding school from birth to 21 is the way to go!

 

Bwahahahhaha ^^ this so much!

[Incantrix]

I know, but do not accept that argument. I do object to violent content depending on the game; have yet to play any title such as GTA, Payday, etc. with that as a main factor. I also object to excessive use of vulgarity, nudity, and sexual materials, and avoid them as possible. No TW series; no FO series.

So when someone suggests a method like the OP to gain better access to play games that have such content, I support it.

 

So the easily offended type, eh? Well, you should know the world isn't Sun shine and rainbows. It's full of grit and disgusting practices. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Neither should you expect video game developers to do the same with toggles. 

[Il Divo]

I know, but do not accept that argument. I do object to violent content depending on the game; have yet to play any title such as GTA, Payday, etc. with that as a main factor. I also object to excessive use of vulgarity, nudity, and sexual materials, and avoid them as possible. No TW series; no FO series.

So when someone suggests a method like the OP to gain better access to play games that have such content, I support it.

 

I'm aware. I don't think it makes your argument any less problematic. 

[Br3admax]

[Elhanan]

So the easily offended type, eh? Well, you should know the world isn't Sun shine and rainbows. It's full of grit and disgusting practices. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Neither should you expect video game developers to do the same with toggles.

Condescension; how unexpected....

As having served in the military and having worked in numerous jobs in a variety of environs, including 25+ yrs in the Hospitality industry, I am assured that the world could be improved. Maybe another Toggle would help; does not seem like it could hurt.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Condescension; how unexpected....

As having served in the military and having worked in numerous jobs in a variety of environs, including 25+ yrs in the Hospitality industry, I am assured that the world could be improved. Maybe another Toggle would help; does not seem like it could hurt.

 

Yeah no, it's not like there have been pages upon pages explaining that in fact it would hurt.

[Incantrix]

Condescension; how unexpected....

As having served in the military and having worked in numerous jobs in a variety of environs, including 25+ yrs in the Hospitality industry, I am assured that the world could be improved. Maybe another Toggle would help; does not seem like it could hurt.

 

A toggle in a video game isn't going to help anything. If only but hurt artistic integrity by saying to the world, "if something makes people uncomfortable, then it should be able to be turned off."

 

is that the kind of world you want to live in? A world where people say "lalalala not happening" because they don't like what they're seeing?

[Elhanan]

A toggle in a video game isn't going to help anything. If only but hurt artistic integrity by saying to the world, "if something makes people uncomfortable, then it should be able to be turned off."
 
is that the kind of world you want to live in? A world where people say "lalalala not happening" because they don't like what they're seeing?

If the world were a single player game, I might. My option will not affect any other, if the game designers can make it so.

[Chealec]

A toggle in a video game isn't going to help anything. If only but hurt artistic integrity by saying to the world, "if something makes people uncomfortable, then it should be able to be turned off."

 

is that the kind of world you want to live in? A world where people say "lalalala not happening" because they don't like what they're seeing?

 

It's not the real world though, it's a game.

 

That does mean however, that unlike the real world, you can simply choose not to participate if it offends you... mind you can try to do the same with the real world:

 

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

 

 

Not sure I'd recommend that course of action though...

[DarthSliver]

I think this thread as gone far enough in my opinion. The appropriate respond to this thread has happen awhile ago and now its just going in circles.

 

MEA will be rate M for Mature like all their other games and it will have everything that the M rating can offer in it.

 

Do you buy GTA5 then expect Rockstar to make a new GTA game where you can't steal cars or shoot random people walking down the streets. Maybe you ask them to make the cops more realistic and not get mad at us when we accidently bump into their cars or not shoot us at a 1- star wanted level.

 

This content you ask not to be there has been in all Bioware games since the PS3/360 era don't ask something to be removed that has been in there for a long while now. Its complaints like you make why we have underwear sex in most Bioware games. 

[Iakus]

Yeah no, it's not like there have been pages upon pages explaining that in fact it would hurt.

Not really.  Mainly it's sarcasm and reductio ad absurdum.