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[agonis]

Hmmm not that I think of it... Witcher 3 was edited for Middle East. No nudity and they tuned down the gore.

I doubt many gamers were happy about that and a toogle would be the better solution.

[Geth Supremacy]

it takes a lot of gall to come to the forum for the artists and writers who bust their ass making content that you choose to take in and tell them how to use their talents/gifts or censor them.

 

I can understand where the OP is coming from though.

[themikefest]

You're wrong there as well.

 

There was no nudity at all in ME3. Liara's character model was nude but it was completely obscured by shadows and lighting tricks.  

Then why did the others have to wear underwear? What made the alien special not to have underwear?

[Cyonan]

I don't have a clear read on the through-line of your argument. All opinions are in the end irrelevant. That said, I don't disagree with the thing you said here, so I don't know how to argue with you. It's very upsetting.

 

The ratings thing is more that you're saying they're making a game which bounces on the line of what is acceptable for teens, but it is very clearly labelled as being not for teens.

 

What game did you play? Ashley was also partially nude in her romance scene in ME1. 

 

Come ME3, Liara is the only one allowed to get her boobs out. Everybody else does it in underwear, even if in the shower.

[agonis]

Then why did the others have to wear underwear? What made the alien special not to have underwear?

 

Liara never wears any.

[Il Divo]

it takes a lot of gall to come to the forum for the artists and writers who bust their ass making content that you choose to take in and tell them how to use their talents/gifts.

 

I can understand where the OP is coming from though.

 

People do this all the time, though. Everyone wants something on here. Or damn near everyone.  

[Broganisity]

1) I wouldn't be against a 'gore filter' that can be toggled off (default is always on) as there are people who let younger people, IE young adults and older children (Ages 12-15/16) play the multiplayer in ME3. These things in particular can be horrific to younger/non comprehending and/or lesser^*minds.

. . .but then again, I saw a lot of kids running around the theater when I went to see Jurassic World AKA Man-Eater Simulator and not one of them screamed in terror, so make of that what you will.

2) Nothing wrong with sexual content in a game that talks about, amongst other things, romance and sexuality, and if there is something to be had by showing us snippets (See Mass Effect, Inquisition, et cetera) of the passion occurring between two or more people then that is fine by me.

As it stands Bioware does the following: they show us snippets of the passion between these characters but see no need for us to watch the intimate, sexual acts including positions, alterations, commencement and action of various fetishes, et cetera. Its unneeded, in this writer's opinion, unless sex is made to be an important part of matters**. I'd prefer the games stay this way: Showing nudity and passion, but not sex directly. The sex is not important in relation to the romantic sub-plot, and I hope it never is.

The human body is natural (Enough of this awkward underwear nonsense), and so long as I'm not essentially watching pornography*** in my Rootie-Tootie-Point-n-Shootie game, I have no qualms.

3) But for story? Never censor the story. Never censor the dialogue. Not even with an optional 'profanity toggle'.

Have you ever listened to a song on the radio, and when they're about to get to a certain line it cuts off, noticeably and awkwardly? Even if you don't know the song you can tell something just jumped there. It is jarring and, to me, wrong to mute, edit, alter, or censor the work of others, even if I do not like it.

I too am a writer of short stories, and I have never accepted such criticism as 'I don't like this, can you do this instead?' or 'Censor this please, I don't like it' and the relevant 'can you give me a different version to choose because your actual work offends me?' No. If I am writing a story then things are put in there for reasons both grand and small. If I use the word 'God', and the term offends you, you will have to deal with the fact that I just made a character and/or the setting religious. If

----the following is for comedic effect----

Spoiler

The motherfuckin' Bioware isn't about to have a motherfuckin' character who keeps motherfuckin' swearing up the motherfuckin' walls and call everybody a motherfucker. . .if they did, their motherfuckin' credibility would go out the motherfuckin' window.

 

----end comedy----

Bioware does swearing in a way that is natural in regards to how people talk**** while remaining tasteful enough so that it is a relative non-issue. Sure, you could have a semi-decent sized video of every time someone swears in the Mass Effect series, but stretching it out makes it not at all a large matter. Then, as other people have mentioned, resource and relation issues.

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* Lesser minds meaning, here, those who are easily shocked, mortified, offended, or tempted by such things. Weak in control, if you will. If you find offense in this, then that is all on you as there was none intended in this snippet of truth.

 

** Let's face it: Sex and Romance often go hand-in-hand in the real world, but in the world of fiction and stories, sex is rarely important. When you tell the story of how you met your partner do you tell everyone all the things that occur in your bedroom or do you believe somethings are meant to be private and kept amongst the parties involved?

*** What can I say, I just don't see the interest in watching something I could just go and do myself. I'm a strange man in this regard I suppose, though, in the magical world we live in where there are millions of definitions of sexuality, I suppose that makes me hetero-demisexual? I don't know the terms and they do not know me because I have more important things to do, like argue on the internet!

**** Casual swearing is an increasing phenomenon. Words are, after all, just words and their meanings and the stigma attached to them change over time as does the inclusion of slang as legitimate words. Did you know that 'bromance' is now a legitimate word now according to Merriam-Webster? No seriously, look it up. Its a crazy place, the world of language. Restrictions and alterations will slip through the cracks and adapt anyways, like a weed that grows through concrete and just refuses to die. Wonderful.
 

[Il Divo]

Actually: for sheer curiosity, for the people who dislike the OP's request, how did you feel about the ME3 Ending crisis and whole Retake movement?

[LordSwagley]

Would it really be so difficult to either skip or rework the angle of a couple "nude scenes" or replace a couple lines of dialogue ("Aw F@€¥!" becomes "Aw Damn!" etc...) and to not play gory death animations? I personally would not use these censors since boobs and blood and swearing and boobs are awesome but I see little reason or harm in letting folks who are not into that stuff skip it.

[dreamgazer]

Actually: for sheer curiosity, for the people who dislike the OP's request, how did you feel about the ME3 Ending crisis and whole Retake movement?

Needed more boobs.

[Undead Han]

 

Come ME3, Liara is the only one allowed to get her boobs out. Everybody else does it in underwear, even if in the shower.

 

I've criticized those scenes in the past, particularly Traynor's.

 

It is still true nonetheless that there was no nudity in ME3 other than with the Banshees. You don't actually see anything in Liara's scene either, its just implied.

[izmirtheastarach]

Needed more boobs.

I enjoy your humors. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I think those those kids who play Multiplayer should be used to it after playing Call of Duty every year.

[dreamgazer]

I dig Traynor's content a lot, but that shower scene was wack.

[Mcfly616]

Then why did the others have to wear underwear? What made the alien special not to have underwear?

 because ever since Faux news got all "offended" by ME1, Bioware's been nervous about another backlash. So in an attempt to avoid it, they only allow the blue squid girl to be nude because theres no way people will mistake her for being real. 

 

 

Basically, people are stupid and naive, and Bioware is now (overly) sensitive to the most stupid and naive of them.

[themikefest]

I dig Traynor's content a lot, but that shower scene was wack.

In her character thread people mentioned  the camera could've been placed at different angles to avoid showing certain body parts. Another comment was having femshep taking her clothes off as she walked to the shower and then it goes to fade-to-black.

 

There are mods that have the clothes removed. Never used the mod since I play on ps3

[Cyonan]

I've criticized those scenes in the past, particularly Traynor's.

 

It is still true nonetheless that there was no nudity in ME3 other than with the Banshees. You don't actually see anything in Liara's scene either, its just implied.

 

It mostly just seems weird that in the first game, everybody was naked for the sex scene and then in ME3 only Liara got to be.

 

Although given Inquisition, I suspect we'll see actual nudity in ME:A's romances.

 

Actually: for sheer curiosity, for the people who dislike the OP's request, how did you feel about the ME3 Ending crisis and whole Retake movement?

 

I will note that I'm not actively against the OP's request, but I also don't really see it as something that should be a high priority to spend resources on getting into the game.

[In Exile]

It's not as simple as having a toggle. ME2 and ME3 don't have "graphic" violence - they just added in blood. ME3 has a lot of body horror, but it's not as if you see people getting disembowled. It's the same in the DA series: there's blood, but nothing like hacked limbs or visible organs. Blood splatter - which is often comically unrealistic anyway - is pretty far removed from graphic or gruesome violence (at least, compared to what it would be like IRL). 

 

As for swearing, well, I suppose they could add in a filter. But swearing can be an important part of a character's arc. In ME2 Aria's line is totally ridiculous, but Jack swearing ties in with her coarse upbringing, and how she plays up toughness to keep herself safe, because of the absurd levels of abuse endured. Most of the other characters (e.g. Joker) don't really swear. 

So ultimately, I don't see how you can censorship anything would getting those incomprehensible moments like the Die Hard walking around with a sign that messes up the whole scene type situations. 

[themikefest]

 because ever since Faux news got all "offended" by ME1, Bioware's been nervous about another backlash. So in an attempt to avoid it, they only allow the blue squid girl to be nude because theres no way people will mistake her for being real. 

 

 

Basically, people are stupid and naive, and Bioware is now (overly) sensitive to the most stupid and naive of them.

So what changed for Bioware to put nudity in DAI?

[Broganisity]

Actually: for sheer curiosity, for the people who dislike the OP's request, how did you feel about the ME3 Ending crisis and whole Retake movement?

Its not the same matter:

OP asks for optional censorship in the form of a Gore Toggle, a Censor option for dialogue, and a Nudity thingie.

ME3 Ending was about clarity and a conflict on what was promised of the ending and the vague ending we were provided with (No issue with the ending myself.). Also Marauder Shields. ;_;7

[izmirtheastarach]

So what changed for Bioware to put nudity in DAI?

Hopefully just the passage of time. Because that bodes well for the future.

[rashie]

So what changed for Bioware to put nudity in DAI?

Its likely they noticed that games like the witcher 2 went further than they had ever done without a similar outcry, and decided to test the waters.

 

That and the fact that fox news did offer an apology.

[Mcfly616]

So what changed for Bioware to put nudity in DAI?

 don't know. Maybe they finally grew a quad? I'm strictly speaking of Mass Effect. I could never get into Dragon Age. Though, they were developed by different studios under the BW banner, so that could have something to do with it.  Hopefully, it's just a sign of things to come.

[LordSwagley]

So what changed for Bioware to put nudity in DAI?

They realized that Bewbz Zell!

[agonis]

They realized that Bewbz Zell!

I bought Witcher 3 for the sex...

 

And stayed for the heartache.