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[Il Divo]

Based on the prior ME games, they already are doing multiple recordings for gender and background choices, as well as the possible Paragon/ Renegade decisions. And if ME:A has races, that also boosts the included work.

If placing a silent moment is too 'problematic', then I can accept that, but am seeing that such content is already a priority for Bioware games, and adding an additional option that can widen the appeal appears to worthy of the research.

 

You just outlined for example the amount of voice work Bioware has to go through though. 

 

If you have 1 line, 4 voice-actors. That's 4 versions of that line you're including, which becomes 8 to account for the toggle, as Bryan pointed out. You're essentially doubling the number of recordings in some cases. 

 

Not to mention, there's probably far more push from players for race options, gender options, and role-playing options in general.  

[Bryan Johnson]

If placing a silent moment is too 'problematic', then I can accept that, but am seeing that such content is already a priority for Bioware games, and adding an additional option that can widen the appeal appears to worthy of the research.

Can you provide me a place that such a community exists? 

 

What I mean is how would one search this kind of thing out? 

[Chealec]

Can you provide me a place that such a community exists? 

 

What I mean is how would one search this kind of thing out? 

 

Kickstarter a research survey? ... seems to work for just about everything else these days :|

[Il Divo]

But does it have to be "offense" as the reason for not liking the content?  Or religious reasons?  maybe they're simply not comfortable around the content?  Maybe they think resources can be better spent in other areas.  

 

Why is not liking nudity or foul language any stranger than not liking mustard on a hamburger?

 

See, that's how I look at it. I don't think anybody needs to justify their like/dislike of a feature any more than their food preferences. I hate the color Orange. I would love it if we never had to see Orange in a Bioware game ever again.

 

It's more that I just think it's not going to happen in a million years, simply in terms of fan demand, much like my own desire to see Orange eradicated. 

[Chealec]

See, that's how I look at it. I don't think anybody needs to justify their like/dislike of a feature any more than their food preferences. I hate the color Orange. I would love it if we never had to see Orange in a Bioware game ever again.

 

It's more that I just think it's not going to happen in a million years, simply in terms of fan demand, much like my own desire to see Orange eradicated. 

 

You must have had real trouble with Half-Life

[Elhanan]

I had made the assumption that what you were arguing was it would not be too much work to add this. But what I am saying is if you want a "profane" and a "non-profane" version to exist then you would need to double up all your recordings. Yes there are things like background/gender choices but those allow for a different type of experience. IE calling someone a knife ears (youll notice this is generally from an NPC where it is only doubling up 1 line of dialog) is a unique experience and changes the context of the content instead of having something where there is the exact same line, just a pause or a bleep.

And if it is too costly, I can live without it. I am Techless and will leave the mechanics to pros, though I would hope for silence over f bombs almost any day.

But as mentioned, there are products that I choose to play due to partial control (eg; benching James Vega, Blackwall, Iron Bull), and there are games that have excessive use of vulgarity (eg; TW series), so I skip it. I would prefer to have greater control to continue to purchase the games, as opposed to selecting the latter choice as often.

[Bryan Johnson]

Kickstarter a research survey? ... seems to work for just about everything else these days :|

I think I would be sad if it raises less money than potato salad

 

See, that's how I look at it. I don't think anybody needs to justify their like/dislike of a feature any more than their food preferences. I hate the color Orange. I would love it if we never had to see Orange in a Bioware game ever again.

 

It's more that I just think it's not going to happen in a million years, simply in terms of fan demand, much like my own desire to see Orange eradicated. 

These kinds of things, generally do come out with things like focus testing (yes we do them), and to a degree they do cause changes in the content. 

 

/sarcastic cheeky response Orange tested high with males 18-35.

[Iakus]

See, that's how I look at it. I don't think anybody needs to justify their like/dislike of a feature any more than their food preferences. I hate the color Orange. I would love it if we never had to see Orange in a Bioware game ever again.

 

It's more that I just think it's not going to happen in a million years, simply in terms of fan demand. 

An M rated game is certainly going to have a certain degree of all of this.  But allowing options, for players to minimize more extreme aspects is, I think, a reasonable request (whether actual implementation is feasible or not).  Which too often gets derided by the more jaded and cynocal types.

[Il Divo]

You must have had real trouble with Half-Life

 

First person, luckily. But you're right. In the deep parts of my brain, I did have to deal with the fact that I was wearing an orange suit. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can you provide me a place that such a community exists? 

Utah.

[Chealec]

... excessive use of vulgarity (eg; TW series) ...

 

I'd argue that the Witcher has just about the right level of vulgarity for the setting of the story ... if anything it's a little too sanitised. If they got up to the kind of things Chaucer wrote about the game probably would have been unrateable O_o

[Pasquale1234]

The bleeping out has to be done for all other languages seperately, too... since they use different words and grammar.

Actually, it may need to be done by region as well as language. For example, UK English =/= US/Canadian English =/= Oz English, etc. That is especially true of slang terms and anything that might be considered vulgar.

[Iakus]

Actually, it may need to be done by region as well as language. For example, UK English =/= US/Canadian English =/= Oz English, etc. That is especially true of slang terms and anything that might be considered vulgar.

Or just go the BSG route and make up new terms.

 

bosh'tet

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[Cyonan]

Actually, it may need to be done by region as well as language. For example, UK English =/= US/Canadian English =/= Oz English, etc. That is especially true of slang terms and anything that might be considered vulgar.

 

For DA:I they actually just split it into US and UK English, and have a total of 8 supported languages listed on the Origin store including both versions of English.

 

In Canada we're generally just set to using the US English for most international things. The only real notable difference is that the Americans seem to have a grudge against the letter u =P

[DaemionMoadrin]

Utah.

 

The entire state or just The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? How many of the 15 million members live in Utah? How many of its members are playing BioWare games? How many of them would not buy a mature title and how many would by the title with a teen rating?

 

In the end I doubt you'd get more than a few thousand people together. If ME:A sells as well as DA:I, then that's ~0.3 percent or something in that area.

 

Totally worth the effort and cost.

[Elhanan]

Can you provide me a place that such a community exists? 
 
What I mean is how would one search this kind of thing out?

I have no idea how one would look at the current data to see if it were viable. More surveys?

But one only has to look and see some of the examples such as parents that would not have to chase children away to indicate a possible need for such a feature. In my own case, I prefer greater control over the content:

* Make all cut-scenes Esc enabled.
* Continue to place the nudity in the Romance arcs.
* Keep the Gore toggle.

However, language is both an audio and visual problem; not to mention it can possibly break immersion. In DAI, the use of the f bomb even deviates from the lore. Would prefer to not hear anything at all (current mode of control if playing Omega DLC), so silence or in game cultural substitution is preferable, if possible.

[Chealec]

The only real notable difference is that the Americans seem to have a grudge against the letter u =P

 

Whereas Canadians have a fixation with the letter A - eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(sorry - couldn't resist)

[Chealec]

The entire state or just The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? How many of the 15 million members live in Utah? How many of its members are playing BioWare games? How many of them would not buy a mature title and how many would by the title with a teen rating?

 

In the end I doubt you'd get more than a few thousand people together. If ME:A sells as well as DA:I, then that's ~0.3 percent or something in that area.

 

Totally worth the effort and cost.

 

 

Don't the Mormon's in Utah live a pastoral lifestyle like something out of the C19th? i.e. no computers?

[Pasquale1234]

Would increase the poly-count and, I'm not joking, add extra bones for the inverse-kinematics on the models to be anything other than utterly laughable... though I suspect willies waving about would be pretty funny anyway (I can be quite juvenile sometimes).

Yeah, I know - but there are other options. On creatures, they could have simply used static protusions. As for Grunt, they could have showed him fully nude while static in the tank. The rest of the scene of releasing him from the tank was framed above the waist, so no additional animation work would have been needed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The entire state or just The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? How many of the 15 million members live in Utah? How many of its members are playing BioWare games? How many of them would not buy a mature title and how many would by the title with a teen rating?

 

In the end I doubt you'd get more than a few thousand people together. If ME:A sells as well as DA:I, then that's ~0.3 percent or something in that area.

 

Totally worth the effort and cost.

I wasn't serious with that answer. Though to answer your one question, about 2 million of the 15.4 million members live in Utah. 

 

Bryan asked for a place with a community like what was being discussed, and the first place that popped into my mind was Utah.

 

Don't the Mormon's in Utah live a pastoral lifestyle like something out of the C19th? i.e. no computers?

No, you're thinking of the Amish. 

[Elhanan]

Not certain, but certain countries now ban software, and some already demand censored games. These are extant markets that could be re-examined.

[Pasquale1234]

In Canada we're generally just set to using the US English for most international things. The only real notable difference is that the Americans seem to have a grudge against the letter u =P

That's just favouritism.

[Bryan Johnson]

I have no idea how one would look at the current data to see if it were viable. More surveys?

But one only has to look and see some of the examples such as parents that would not have to chase children away to indicate a possible need for such a feature. In my own case, I prefer greater control over the content:

* Make all cut-scenes Esc enabled.
* Continue to place the nudity in the Romance arcs.
* Keep the Gore toggle.

However, language is both an audio and visual problem; not to mention it can possibly break immersion. In DAI, the use of the f bomb even deviates from the lore. Would prefer to not hear anything at all (current mode of control if playing Omega DLC), so silence or in game cultural substitution is preferable, if possible.

What chases away children is Age Ratings and Parental Controls.

 

If you create an account on PS4 for your child, you can set parental controls to allow content even been accessable (DAI is a level 9 (Mature) for example).

 

Also some cut-scenes exist as an overlay for streaming, so not all cut-scenes can be skipable. I believe nudity will be kept to romance arcs, but cant guarantee.

 

The gore trigger likely mainly exists because of the regional requirement for it to be there.

 

As for the choice of language generally that is up to the writing staff, who are the source of lore. 

[Chealec]

No, you're thinking of the Amish. 

 

Oh yeah - my bad...

[Bryan Johnson]

Not certain, but certain countries now ban software, and some already demand censored games. These are extant markets that could be re-examined.

I believe, Germany requires low gore, and japan requires low female nudity. Which we conformed to.