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An Open Letter to Bioware Regarding Explicit Content


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Also some cut-scenes exist as an overlay for streaming, so not all cut-scenes can be skipable. I believe nudity will be kept to romance arcs, but cant guarantee.


I don't know whether you intended to do this, but I think you just verified nudity in ME:A.

Are they going to take the PC's clothes off like DAI did, or will it be restricted to NPCs?

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What chases away children is Age Ratings and Parental Controls.
 
If you create an account on PS4 for your child, you can set parental controls to allow content even been accessable (DAI is a level 9 (Mature) for example).
 
Also some cut-scenes exist as an overlay for streaming, so not all cut-scenes can be skipable. I believe nudity will be kept to romance arcs, but cant guarantee.
 
The gore trigger likely mainly exists because of the regional requirement for it to be there.
 
As for the choice of language generally that is up to the writing staff, who are the source of lore.


What are the parental Controls for the PC?

And the ratings help dutiful parents to know beforehand that the game is unsuitable for children. A Toggle could alleviate the problem of being in the next room overhearing content, parents leaving the room for some coffee, etc.

Being single myself, it is the difference between recommending games or not to family and friends. And as mentioned, skipping the game completely if deemed excessive.

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I don't know whether you intended to do this, but I think you just verified nudity in ME:A.

Are they going to take the PC's clothes off like DAI did, or will it be restricted to NPCs?

Bryan doesn't work on the Mass Effect: Andromeda team. 

 

From earlier in this thread, when asked where Andromeda would be on the spectrum:

I do not work on Andromeda, and my exposure has been severely limited (talking seeing less than an hour of it in the last year). Even if I could answer that question I would not because I dont know  :P

 


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I believe, Germany requires low gore, and japan requires low female nudity. Which we conformed to.


Also thought I saw some news blurbs on India and Australia, but do not have the details. Thanks!

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I believe, Germany requires low gore, and japan requires low female nudity. Which we conformed to.

 

Dragon Age 1+2 were rated FSK18 in Germany, DA:I only got the FSK16. I think the main reason was that the game looked cleaner, there was less body horror... and the bloody finishing moves from the previous games were missing.

 

Mass Effect got FSK16 for all three games.

 

The thing is, games can still be published in Germany even if they have lots of gore, you just can't advertise them. The system is set up so that companies censor the games themselves but they don't have to. It's just way better for business to comply. ;)

 

Since many people buy digital copies online or import games from countries that don't censor anything, this has become less of an issue anyway. I can't remember the last time I bought a game in a store...



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Also thought I saw some news blurbs on India and Australia, but do not have the details. Thanks!

Dragon Age: Inquisition is banned in India, the reason suspected of being because it has homosexual content. 



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Dragon Age: Inquisition is banned in India, the reason being because it has homosexual content.


Thanks!
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Bryan doesn't work on the Mass Effect: Andromeda team. 
 
From earlier in this thread, when asked where Andromeda would be on the spectrum:


Thanks, Hanako. I hadn't noticed that.
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Oh yeah - my bad...

Thanks!

Thanks, Hanako. I hadn't noticed that.

No problem. ^_^


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What are the parental Controls for the PC?
 

An administrator can create an account and limit what games can be played on that account.  Which can be based on anything from the game's rating, specific terms (gore, nudity, drug use, etc) or even specific games you name.

 

At least that's how it works on my PC


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What are the parental Controls for the PC?

And the ratings help dutiful parents to know beforehand that the game is unsuitable for children. A Toggle could alleviate the problem of being in the next room overhearing content, parents leaving the room for some coffee, etc.

Being single myself, it is the difference between recommending games or not to family and friends. And as mentioned, skipping the game completely if deemed excessive.

If you are running a windows based PC you can view them using the family safety settings, to set them for an account.

 

You can control what they are allowed to played based on a number of different age ratings boards. You can set it so they can only play those games during the hours of 5-6 if you wanted to as well.

 

Also I have absolutely no idea what ME:A is doing


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An administrator can create an account and limit what games can be played on that account.  Which can be based on anything from the game's rating, specific terms (gore, nudity, drug use, etc) or even specific games you name.
 
At least that's how it works on my PC


Thanks! Am certain that one brother knows this, and can instruct the rest of us Techless Ones how to set this up if desired.

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If you are running a windows based PC you can view them using the family safety settings, to set them for an account.
 
You can control what they are allowed to played based on a number of different age ratings boards. You can set it so they can only play those games during the hours of 5-6 if you wanted to as well.
 
Also I have absolutely no idea what ME:A is doing


Thanks! Have no such need myself, but info like this is helpful to pass along.

As for ME:A, I hold on to hope, and the steering mechanism of the Mako!

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As for ME:A, I hold on to hope, and the steering mechanism of the Mako!


I can relate. I'm hoping the broken pelvis female walk/run animation from DA doesn't infect ME, and that I might be able to enjoy a romance without the devs showing too much of my character nude. I guess we'll see.

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Why is not liking nudity or foul language any stranger than not liking mustard on a hamburger?


How about because we live in a society in which nudity, foul language and violence are all pervasive? We dont live in a Puritan-esque society. Granted, there are those that dislike such things and that is both understandable and recognizable. But that has little bearing here. Your point would make sense if someone disliked nudity, foul language, AND violence for the sake of self-professed moral reasons, be they religious or not. But it makes exactly zero sense that someone would be offended by swearing and virtual nudity, but not virtual/interactive gore and murder.

That is a strange, and honestly very selective cherry picking compartmentalization of what to find offensive.

Not liking mustard on a hamburger is a poor analogy. I dislike pickles on a hamburger because the temperature and texture is contrary to the rest of the burger, and in my opinion ruins a burger. But I dont dislike pickles because my personal moral code objects to them.

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How about because we live in a society in which nudity, foul language and violence are all pervasive? We dont live in a Puritan-esque society. Granted, there are those that dislike such things and that is both understandable and recognizable. But that has little bearing here. Your point would make sense if someone disliked nudity, foul language, AND violence for the sake of self-professed moral reasons, be they religious or not. But it makes exactly zero sense that someone would be offended by swearing and virtual nudity, but not virtual/interactive gore and murder.

That is a strange, and honestly very selective cherry picking compartmentalization of what to find offensive.

Not liking mustard on a hamburger is a poor analogy. I dislike pickles on a hamburger because the temperature and texture is contrary to the rest of the burger, and in my opinion ruins a burger. But I dont dislike pickles because my personal moral code objects to them.


Perhaps they are not kosher, or one is a vegan. Those are two moral issues why one may not want burgers or pickles. Am certain there are others, but back to games.

Thing is, it is my own choice as to what I prefer or do not, and I support the idea of allowing games to be better enabled to fill those wishes. If someone else does not care for it, don't enable to Toggle.

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Not liking mustard on a hamburger is a poor analogy. I dislike pickles on a hamburger because the temperature and texture is contrary to the rest of the burger, and in my opinion ruins a burger. But I dont dislike pickles because my personal moral code objects to them.


You're assuming people prefer to avoid some kinds of content because they find it morally objectionable and/or offensive.

BTW - does anyone ever complain when you try to order a burger without pickles?
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Perhaps they are not kosher, or one is a vegan. Those are two moral issues why one may not want burgers or pickles. Am certain there are others, but back to games.

Thing is, it is my own choice as to what I prefer or do not, and I support the idea of allowing games to be better enabled to fill those wishes. If someone else does not care for it, don't enable to Toggle.

And that's fine - I find it strange that you are offended by such things but not by virtual murder, but to each their own. My initial post was asking for someone to help me understand why people have such selective offense, because honestly that is an alien concept to me. Even from a religious perspective, it seems strange that nudity and swearing would get the axe but murder is a-okay...

But here's the thing man, where does it stop? Should we always cater to the very few people who want to play a mature rated game for the story but not for the mature content? Should we have a gay-toggle too because it offends some people's sensibilities? How about a blood toggle? How about a gun-toggle when we replace all guns with super soakers? How about a toggle where we just make M rated games E rated games?

It just seems a little bit unreasonable, whether it is easily implemented or not. But then again, maybe I am out of touch with the kids these days.

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You're assuming people prefer to avoid some kinds of content because they find it morally objectionable and/or offensive.

BTW - does anyone ever complain when you try to order a burger without pickles?

I am, yes, because I honestly can't think of a reason why someone would object to swearing or sex other than finding them morally objectionable or offensive. Can you? Even a visceral disgust against such things implies a visceral moral objection to them. It's practically inherent in the objection, and pretty absurd to think otherwise.

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I am, yes, because I honestly can't think of a reason WHY someone would object to swearing or sex OTHER THAN finding them morally objectionable or offensive. Can you? It's practically inherent in the objection, and pretty absurd to think otherwise.

Well, there are some asexuals and demisexuals who find sex as uncomfortable to witness. It has nothing to do with morality but biology in that case. 


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Well, there are some asexuals and demisexuals who find sex as uncomfortable to witness. It has nothing to do with morality but biology in that case.

This is actually the first good point I have seen anyone raise so far, rather than most people who seem to be PC tiptoeing around the obvious. I concede in that case, and as a biologist I am ashamed that I did not consider that. But again, should we cater to the few asexual fans of mass effect?

My vote would be no. Just as they shouldn't cater to the small percentage who dont like gore or the small percentage who dont like homosexuality or swearing.

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How about because we live in a society in which nudity, foul language and violence are all pervasive? We dont live in a Puritan-esque society. Granted, there are those that dislike such things and that is both understandable and recognizable. But that has little bearing here. Your point would make sense if someone disliked nudity, foul language, AND violence for the sake of self-professed moral reasons, be they religious or not. But it makes exactly zero sense that someone would be offended by swearing and virtual nudity, but not virtual/interactive gore and murder.
 

Because someone who doesn't like mustard might not mind ketchup?

 

 

 

That is a strange, and honestly very selective cherry picking compartmentalization of what to find offensive.

Not liking mustard on a hamburger is a poor analogy. I dislike pickles on a hamburger because the temperature and texture is contrary to the rest of the burger, and in my opinion ruins a burger. But I dont dislike pickles because my personal moral code objects to them.

 

The problem is you're hung up on the idea that people don't like gore or nudity because of moral or religious reasons.  Which may very well be the case for some, or even many people.

 

But you're not seeing that people may not like it simply because they don't like it.  It makes them uncomfortable, or they find it pointless,  or they find the depiction silly or awkward.  

 

It's not all about being "puritan"


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I do not believe murder is OK; generally sentence Loghain, Howe, and the Illusive man to death because of this.

Where does what cease? *rhetorical* The right to opinions, beliefs, and requests are enjoyed by almost all; not the select few. And when kept within the ToS, one has the privilege to support or oppose such topics.

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Well, there are some asexuals and demisexuals who find sex as uncomfortable to witness. It has nothing to do with morality but biology in that case.


Not to mention incredibly boring, especially since it is so pervasive in media.
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Because someone who doesn't like mustard might not mind ketchup?


The problem is you're hung up on the idea that people don't like gore or nudity because of moral or religious reasons. Which may very well be the case for some, or even many people.

But you're not seeing that people may not like it simply because they don't like it. It makes them uncomfortable, or they find it pointless, or they find the depiction silly or awkward.

It's not all about being "puritan"


See my subsequent post. A visceral disgust to such things practically implies a visceral moral objection to such things.

Finding it silly or awkward is fine - since it is practically cartoony most of the time and reminiscent of the sex scene in Team America. But that isn't really an objection or a disgust to it being in the game, rather than how it is presented. If it was more realistic or believable, such people probably wouldn't object.

I would submit to argument that the vast, vast majority of people that object to such things do so out or recognized or subconscious moral or religious objection.