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[pdusen]

This is a complaint that was made once or twice about DA:I, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

 

Regarding language: No Bioware game has ever come close to having worse language than you hear every day just by existing in society. Seriously, if you go outside, you *cannot* avoid the exact same off-hand cursing you hear in DA:I.

 

Regarding gore: Yeah, there's gore, okay, but it's not like we're talking about a horror movie here. What gore Bioware does put into games tends to be cartoony enough that there's nothing disturbing about it whatsoever.

 

Regarding sexual content: Sometimes people talk about sex, but the worst thing you ever see is nudity. Meh.

 

So, in summary, I'd rather they focused their development resources in places that matter.

[izmirtheastarach]

I bought Witcher 3 for the sex...

 

And stayed for the heartache.

I'd really like to check these things out, but Andrzej Sapkowski told me these games are non-canon BS and that I'm not allowed to play them because only his work is legit.

 

It's too bad, because they look cool.

[WittyUsername]

I think some of the features could be toggled. Voice acting would be rougher, they'd have to do a new set of PG lines. And if you got a character like Jack or Aria, lol, you're basically spending double for them.

 

Ooooooooor... could bleep it.

[agonis]

I'd really like to check these things out, but Andrzej Sapkowski told me these games are non-canon BS and that I'm not allowed to play them because only his work is legit.

 

It's too bad, because they look cool.

If Sapkowski told you so, it must be the truth.

 

I played the all and I loved them. Now I feel deep remorse.

[Il Divo]

Its not the same matter:

OP asks for optional censorship in the form of a Gore Toggle, a Censor option for dialogue, and a Nudity thingie.

ME3 Ending was about clarity and a conflict on what was promised of the ending and the vague ending we were provided with (No issue with the ending myself.). Also Marauder Shields. ;_;7

 

Really? I'd have said it's exactly the same thing. The writers intended the game to be a certain way and the game as produced is designed to reflect that, vagueness and lack of clarity are an aspect of that. 

 

Not to mention, we still had fans asking for things which had nothing to do with clarity. Ex: People wanted Shepard to survive in all three endings. That goes quite a bit beyond clarity. 

[Broganisity]

I'd really like to check these things out, but Andrzej Sapkowski told me these games are non-canon BS and that I'm not allowed to play them because only his work is legit.

 

It's too bad, because they look cool.

[Il Divo]

It mostly just seems weird that in the first game, everybody was naked for the sex scene and then in ME3 only Liara got to be.

 

Although given Inquisition, I suspect we'll see actual nudity in ME:A's romances.

 

 

I will note that I'm not actively against the OP's request, but I also don't really see it as something that should be a high priority to spend resources on getting into the game.

 

This is largely how I feel. I really don't care about a nudity, gore, or language filter. There are more important things I want resources spent on. I just think that people are going a bit far in terms of condemning the OP's request. It's no worse than the million other requests we see every day. 

[izmirtheastarach]

If Sapkowski told you so, it must be the truth.

 

I played the all and I loved them. Now I feel deep remorse.

Well I forgive you, but he's a prickly fellow.

[kalikilic]

saw someone mentioned children running to watch jurassic world in reference to the OP's request to toggle "Gore and Violence"

 

why not mention the bunch of teens who were seen on camera behaving like hooligans in an attempt to rush to watch 50 shades of grey. 

 

OP knows he/she bargaining for a minority group; a group that seems to have a narrow perspective with the developers having to make exceptions/additional fixtures in their game at the behest of the minority group.

 

seems like even more entitlement that the people who were called "entitled" when they rallied against the ME endings. thought society hated this sort of thing? it is of course very important to consider that the me 3 ending crisis and a "explicit content toggle" are two extraordinarily different things and should be approached as such. you put them in the same group and its just illogical at that point.

 

the edit in OP's post is like a fair admission that they should have never posted this; reasons being unnecessary to cite. what was also interesting are those who were coming in and acting all high and mighty saying "hrm well the me3 ending crisis revolved around the same thing; choice. and now people dont want to have that." those people need to take a walk outside. again its clearly two different topics of discussion especially considering one involved false advertising from the producer himself.

 

in light of that i remember bioware standing firm in their work citing a belief in their "artistic integrity." as long as they want to ride that horse, your clamoring for "explicit content toggling" is meaningless and childish in their eyes. if i had to speak for Bioware; their games are like a work of art to them. One can enjoy its taste and design, discover its movement and inspiration with an attraction to the piece based on the author's past work, or you simply move on to the next work of art that is more suitable to you.

 

remember if the OP is speaking for a minority group, the opposing party is obviously the majority group. the neutrals who are neither here nor there just wouldnt matter. its not about winning favor, but who do you really think bioware is developing a game for?

[izmirtheastarach]

Really? I'd have said it's exactly the same thing. The writers intended the game to be a certain way and the game as produced is designed to reflect that, vagueness and lack of clarity are an aspect of that. 

 

Not to mention, we still had fans asking for things which had nothing to do with clarity. Ex: People wanted Shepard to survive in all three endings. That goes quite a bit beyond clarity. 

People who asked for very specific things were doing what OP is doing: trying to get the devs to cater to their own very specific needs and desires.

 

Someone asking for more clarity, or more polish, now that's a different story. Especially considering how those endings came about. As long as Bioware sticks to their own best practices going forward, I don't expect to see that issue arise again. But there is nothing wrong with asking for general things, as long as you don't expect to get a game that's made for you and only you.

[Undead Han]

It's not as simple as having a toggle. ME2 and ME3 don't have "graphic" violence - they just added in blood. ME3 has a lot of body horror, but it's not as if you see people getting disembowled. It's the same in the DA series: there's blood, but nothing like hacked limbs or visible organs. Blood splatter - which is often comically unrealistic anyway - is pretty far removed from graphic or gruesome violence (at least, compared to what it would be like IRL). 

 

As for swearing, well, I suppose they could add in a filter. But swearing can be an important part of a character's arc. In ME2 Aria's line is totally ridiculous, but Jack swearing ties in with her coarse upbringing, and how she plays up toughness to keep herself safe, because of the absurd levels of abuse endured. Most of the other characters (e.g. Joker) don't really swear. 

So ultimately, I don't see how you can censorship anything would getting those incomprehensible moments like the Die Hard walking around with a sign that messes up the whole scene type situations. 

 

If anything there should probably be more swearing in the series, at least if we're going to have a military protagonist again. Military organizations are notoriously profane.

[Pasquale1234]

Of course not.
 
Manson said this after he got nearly no reaction of his audience during a concert. He was kind of surprised that even he wasn´t enough anymore to shock anybody. (see the second sentence of the quote)

Moreover, we are so desentisized to what being considered mature due to the market being oversaturated with them. Back in the day, it would be a huge deal to see the kind of stuffs we see today.

And this, I think, is a lot of the reason for OP's polite request.

Most media intended for mature audiences is super-saturated with certain kinds of content - to the point where a lot of people have become desensitized to it, and it no longer creates much of an emotional reaction.

It has become exceedingly difficult to avoid certain kinds of content unless one wants to restrict oneself to media entertainment created for children. Would it really be so awful if there were a wider variety of media to appeal to a wide variety of tastes, interests, preferences? Does every media product that deals with themes not suitable for children need to include bloody graphic violence and full-on nude sex scenes?

Of course not - but try finding some that doesn't.

OP is not asking that any content be removed (or simply not included in the first place), only for an option to avoid it without having to avoid the product altogether.

I've also not seen any indication that OP is outright offended by any kind of content, though that seems to be the reaction that other posters tend to have. That someone dislikes liver and does not want it served to them does not constitute finding it offensive or being offended if someone else wants it.

[themikefest]

If anything there should probably be more swearing in the series, at least if we're going to have a military protagonist again. Military organizations are notoriously profane.

Yes we are. And we're not shy about saying it loud enough for the whole world to hear

[izmirtheastarach]

It has become exceedingly difficult to avoid certain kinds of content unless one wants to restrict oneself to media entertainment created for children.

This is the part where I get lost though. There are a boatload of games out there today for any taste you might have, many of which are not specifically targeted at children. I think the issue here is that OP wants to play THESE games specifically, and he wants the developer to provide him with the ability to play them in exactly the way he desires, with exactly the content he desires. 

 

He is 100% completely free to ask for these things, as we are all free to ask for anything we want. I don't rate his chances of receiving what he wants very highly, but certainly there is no harm in asking.

[RUDAL]

This is a complaint that was made once or twice about DA:I, and it makes as little sense now as it did then.

 

Regarding language: No Bioware game has ever come close to having worse language than you hear every day just by existing in society. Seriously, if you go outside, you *cannot* avoid the exact same off-hand cursing you hear in DA:I.

 

Regarding gore: Yeah, there's gore, okay, but it's not like we're talking about a horror movie here. What gore Bioware does put into games tends to be cartoony enough that there's nothing disturbing about it whatsoever.

 

Regarding sexual content: Sometimes people talk about sex, but the worst thing you ever see is nudity. Meh.

 

So, in summary, I'd rather they focused their development resources in places that matter.

I agree with this statement and just want to point out that in all DA games you can turn the persistent gore off, so it's not really an issue.

 

 

I'd really like to check these things out, but Andrzej Sapkowski told me these games are non-canon BS and that I'm not allowed to play them because only his work is legit.

 

It's too bad, because they look cool.

You know Sapkowski then?  

[Suketchi]

I'm hemophobic, so I can understand wanting a gore toggle. It's not a new concept, games have had them for forever. I mean, Dragon Age has always had one. It's unavoidable in cinematic cut scenes, but for actual game-play, I'd like having the ability to disable persistent gore. It wouldn't be difficult to implement at all, I wouldn't be against it.

 

Nudity and cussing though? That seems like it would be a lot more complicated to implement. Nudity tends to only happen when you Romance someone, and romance is an option. An option that would require your character to be naked. So if you have a problem with nudity, the toggle is kind of already there. All you have to do is not romance anyone.

 

As for cussing... I don't know. It's something that's pretty much inevitable even in day to day life.

 

Now, I don't have a fear of nudity or cussing. I wouldn't know how they effect people with those phobias... but gore actually makes me feel physically ill, and lightheaded. I have to find my happy place to not feel sick. Do nudity and cussing have the same effect?

 

I think that if I can deal with exploding heads, you can handle asari ass and a few cries of 'f**k!' XD

 

 

...lesser^*minds.
 

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* Lesser minds meaning, here, those who are easily shocked, mortified, offended, or tempted by such things. Weak in control, if you will. If you find offense in this, then that is all on you as there was none intended in this snippet of truth.

 

f*** off.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't remember there being any gore really in ME series...

 

As for sexual content, I only got to see my Shep and Kaidan's underwear-clad bodies rolling around in bed lol I thought it was silly and personally didn't need to see it, but it did not offend me. (I prefer kissing and intimate talking ... I like the story/romantic part and when they get around to the actual sex, it's like, yawn. But I'm okay with it.)

 

And swearing, I don't even remember them swearing. Unless "sh!t" counts as a strong word. But you have to give that one to Joker It was definitely an "OH SH!T" moment

[izmirtheastarach]

You know Sapkowski then?  

As much as a man can know another man who is a reclusive Polish fantasy writer that he's never met or personally interacted with on any level.

[Pasquale1234]

Nudity and cussing though? That seems like it would be a lot more complicated to implement. Nudity tends to only happen when you Romance someone, and romance is an option. An option that would require your character to be naked. So if you have a problem with nudity, the toggle is kind of already there. All you have to do is not romance anyone.

RE romance, there is such a thing as fade-to-black as well as other ways of designing and framing love scenes that would not need to include full-on nudity. In role-play, I'd rather those parts were left to my imagination, anyway.

I'm not sure how you'd turn off profanity, though - especially for characters like Jack, where it is part and parcel of her characterization.

[Kabooooom]

Bioware, can you please add a choice to where I can have MORE explicit content? I am unsatisfied with prior levels of gore and nudity. Maybe in the next Asari love scene it could finish with a spacial.

I officially coin the word "spacial".

[In Exile]

If anything there should probably be more swearing in the series, at least if we're going to have a military protagonist again. Military organizations are notoriously profane.

I think people would be shocked at the level of profanity in even seemingly highly reputable professions. Plus, swearing is fun.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think people would be shocked at the level of profanity in even seemingly highly reputable professions. Plus, swearing is fun.

 

Professors swear A looooot... cause students get on our nerves haha

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Bioware, can you please add a choice to where I can have MORE explicit content? I am unsatisfied with prior levels of gore and nudity. Maybe in the next Asari love scene it could finish with a spacial.

I officially coin the word "spacial".

 

All they need to do is release a toolkit.

 

We all know where gamer priorities lie.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wouldn't mind this being an option. Bioware has been getting more and more explicit in the past few years, and there are some who don't like it. However a toggle for all of this will probably be too resource expensive, so instead maybe do this: 

 

Gore: Have a toggle. That's easy to implement since all gore is just an added layer to other things. 

 

Nudity: Keep it exclusive to romances. And even then, have some romances that don't have it, whether it be fade to black, clever use of camera angles and shadows, or romances that are ambiguous over whether such acts even occurred. 

 

Swearing: Have it so some characters swear and others don't. Those who don't like swearing can use the characters that don't. As for the protagonist, have it not be mandatory but under certain dialogue options. Inquisition did this with the Inquisitor, where the diplomatic options don't have them swear. 

[Sartoz]

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I don't mind the "toggle switch". 

 

Persistent gore in DA2 was turned off. and never got to head shots in ME3... probably due to my combat style.

 

On strong language.

Here, is where we diverge somewhat. The use of such colourful metaphors may be part and parcel of the character's personality.... like the crusty old sea captain. Apply the filter and he no longer is crusty. You effectively eunnuched him.  If the writer is creating this crusty old goat it's for a purpose. The language on/off flag is the equivalent of telling the writer the kind of character the sea captain should be.

 

See the problem?

 

On nudity

Simple enough to turn off in the initial game design by eliminating key romance choices early in the game. The romance branch would never take place, after that. Something very similar to the Leliana romance in DA:O. That one I had to search for it.

 

A tad of a problem remains, however. Again from the writers story telling perspective in an adult world. We see the PC and co. entering a bar with lovelies on the job and you have a mission to complete. Yes, you can choose to walk out and forfeit the mission. It may be an innocuous one that turns out it was critical later on in the game.

 

My point, here, is that even when you actively avoid such encounters one can appear casu consolto .

 

I suppose hitting the ESC key to bypass the cut-scene is what you want.

 

On gore

Interesting that violence and killings is acceptable but gore is distasteful. The first two should be distatsteful as well. Placing a veil over one's eyes to hide the deed somehow makes the deed "cleaner"? However, I must say that this level of realism is unnecessary.  A simple on/off flag should come to your aid.

 

 

After all is said and done Bio takes our ideas and applies this filter:

 

1. How much time will it take to implement?

2. How many resources does it take to do?

3. What is the value to Bio?

 

The last one is interesting.