Language adds to character, I mean...who wants to hear Aria say "Don't mess with Aria!" As far as nudity, i'm fine with romance/love scenes, but Jack fighting with no shirt on was a bit strange.
Agreed, her loyal outfit should have been what she wore instead with the dlc outfit as the secondary.
And to further your point, what screams at you and sounds more intimidating, "don't mess with Aria" or "don't **** with Aria?"
Agreed, her loyal outfit should have been what she wore instead with the dlc outfit as the secondary.
And to further your point, what screams at you and sounds more intimidating, "don't mess with Aria" or "don't **** with Aria?"
Okay, but what makes this toggle unique compared to the million other requests we get every day?
I don't know your posting history, but I'm curious what are your stances on:
1) The Mass Effect 3 Retake Movement. People asked for Shepard to be given an explicit happy ending, less space magic, and other stuff.
2) People asking for Cullen as a same sex romance in DA:I.
3) People asking for player-sexual romances.
4) People asking for Liara to have a greater role in ME3.
5) People asking for Liara to have a lesser role in ME3.
6) People asking for DA2's art style to be revamped.
This would give me a better idea of your stance on this issue. It's not clear what's considered a violation of "artistic integrity". You could defend every single aspect of their work on those grounds, even the gameplay systems.
Okay, fun. No one ever gives me an excuse to share whole lists of my general opinions.
1. Hmm. Mildly against. I think an explicitly happy ending would do little to nothing for the more glaring issues with the ending. If the Devs had decided to acquiesce to that request though, I wouldn't be troubled over it. My understanding is that the ending we received was not the originally planned one. If that's true, I think they made an error in judgement.
If it's not true, I still think they made an error in judgement.
2. I'd support it, if the writers thought they could make it work. In fact, I think it could have been a decent opportunity to create a bisexual character with a romance arc that manages to have a different but equal dynamic depending on whether they're romanced by a male or female PC.
3. I think the concept of "player sexual" is often used as a way to make believe that a character is whatever orientation a player prefers. I.e. "Merrill is straight for me, because she only expresses interest in males in my world state"/"Fenris is exclusively gay, and that's my position even if I have to romance him every single time or give Isabela to the Qunari in order to support it." I think it's often born out of conceit, or out of discomfort with bisexuality. I'm a little repelled by it.
4 & 5. I don't have very strong feelings about Liara. I was mostly okay with the amount of focus she was given, since she was established as an important character early on. I don't blame anyone for asking for more or less of anything they please.
6. Oh, maker yes. That art style was awful.
I feel compelled to reiterate that requests for different, or new, or additional content don't usually bother me, and my feelings about a visual effects toggle are completely different from one that would effect dialogue. It's the censored version toggle specifically, the request that a writer make two versions of their own work, that I object to.
Prefer the latter as presented, with the Toggle....
Which reminds me of SWTOR, where folks were asking for 3-D Flight sims instead of the rails system in place. When those that preferred the rails system were opposed to the idea of a mechanic they were never going to use, the 3-D folks inquired why not allow both groups to choose. SWTOR now has both systems.
A Toggle might be costly to implement, but if deemed cost effective by the Devs, it would allow for both groups to play as desired, or at least more so.
SW:TOR is a different situation, people were always disliking the rails system and the beta reports reflected that. There were many who wanted 3D because that's what they expected from Star Wars. I know, my final beta report included it, too.
The difference to your toggle idea is that there was a demand. Perhaps up to half of the SW:TOR player base wanted that feature or would use it if available.
Your toggle would only be used by maybe a thousand people world wide. And that's a generous estimate.
It will never be cost effective because even if there suddendly was a demand for lower rated content, BioWare would simply make T rated games instead of wasting time and money on a toggle.
Yes; it is difficult to be right all the time....
You wrote 15k+ posts and I have to see you being right yet.
That 'toggle' seems to be your go-to answer for every question is funny to me given that you refuse to acknowledge that a toggle will likely only work for you if it's a toggle developed with you in mind. We all have different tastes and tolerances Elhanan, so please stop throwing the word 'toggle' around like it's some catch all solution to the apparent problem of M rated videogames containing a little M rated content.
Exactly. It's something I said in several of my posts before: No toggle will be perfect, something someone dislikes will always slip through. Then they'll complain and the toggle will be useless.
Exactly. It's something I said in several of my posts before: No toggle will be perfect, something someone dislikes will always slip through. Then they'll complain and the toggle will be useless.
I know, right? I mean, one need only glance at the ESRB Ratings Guide to understand that there are many different variables that might reasonably factor into rating any given videogame:
## Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages
## Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood
## Blood - Depictions of blood
## Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
## Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted
## Comic Mischief - Depictions or dialogue involving slapstick or suggestive humor
## Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including “bathroom” humor
## Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs
## Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life
## Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
## Language - Mild to moderate use of profanity
## Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
## Mature Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving "adult" humor, including sexual references
## Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity
## Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity
## Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency
## Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
## Sexual Themes - References to sex or sexuality
## Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other violent sexual acts
## Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
## Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
## Strong Lyrics - Explicit and/or frequent references to profanity, sex, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
## Strong Sexual Content - Explicit and/or frequent depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity
## Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials
## Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products
## Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages
## Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs
## Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products
## Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
## Violent References - References to violent acts
And that list is by no means comprehensive! So no, 'toggles' are not the answer here - much better we tell those people who simply cannot tolerate a little M rated content in their popular entertainment to avoid the kind of entertainment that is likely to upset them so.
Given the function of ESRB, it seems a better use of resources.
I think it's different because "we can't do it," is inherently different from "we don't want you to do it."
My perspective and my objection has more to do with this concept of an alternate optional version, the toggle mechanic itself, than it has with the general concept of self censorship or editing. I think there are situations where "spicing it up" or "toning it down" might be necessary, but this suggestion--insofar as dialogue goes--would entail the writers creating two versions of their own work. Aside from all the immediate pitfalls of editing and sequencing that, that would mean that the quality would be effected in one way or another, because the work should be fully revised by the time they're finished. There shouldn't be any leeway left for them to cut things out. It might be they're taking away essentials from the censored version, or they're leaving inessentials in the uncensored, or a bit of both. Or they decide a lot of it is too much work and they just constantly censor themselves to minimize the coding that will be necessary later on.
I'd place my bets on the last one.
In the case of translation going wrong, I'd say the same thing that I said to Dragonflight's "skipped chapter" example. While the difficult translation would be unfortunate, the creator would not be complicit in corrupting their own work as they would be in the case of this toggle.
Wow this thread is still going, I believe the last time I looked at this forum this thread was on roughly page 8 .. I don't have time to read it all, anyone have a quick synopsis? Or what 30 page chunk can I skip and still understand whats going on?
Wow this thread is still going, I believe the last time I looked at this forum this thread was on roughly page 8 .. I don't have time to read it all, anyone have a quick synopsis? Or what 30 page chunk can I skip and still understand whats going on?
Wow this thread is still going, I believe the last time I looked at this forum this thread was on roughly page 8 .. I don't have time to read it all, anyone have a quick synopsis? Or what 30 page chunk can I skip and still understand whats going on?
Click on 'Show Only Bioware Posts' tab at the top of the page for info and opinions why the Toggles may be problematic. Those for the Toggle like myself believe it should have further research done to see if it is viable.
It's ****** not. Why are you so stubborn?
There is absolutely no demand for a toggle, it's nothing but a source of unnecessary work and problems that would cost money that can not be recouped.
If there was a demand for a T rated Mass Effect, then BioWare would make the entire game T rated from the beginning... but they'd never go to the trouble of implementing a ****** toggle.
I can't handle all this killing.
please, Bioware, make a toggle so I can play this epic space murder game without killing things.
I would love if they had a non-lethal upgrade you could use in ME:A. Like the Anti-Thorian Gas grenade upgrade in Mass Effect 1.
It's ****** not. Why are you so stubborn?
There is absolutely no demand for a toggle, it's nothing but a source of unnecessary work and problems that would cost money that can not be recouped.
If there was a demand for a T rated Mass Effect, then BioWare would make the entire game T rated from the beginning... but they'd never go to the trouble of implementing a ****** toggle.
Personally would also like one (ie; a Toggle) for future games, if possible.
No ****? Well, you should have mentioned that earlier. We had no idea!
Personally would also like to be rich (ie, a million dollars) for future shopping, if possible.
Let's see if that works any better than your wishes. 
Again... people.
You MURDER people by the boatloads.
And swearing is doing you in? Honestly?
And amidst the heads splattering into a million pieces, a bit of breast makes you uncomfortable?
These priorities, man, holy crap.
May already be a Gore filter like past DA games. Wish to see other content with similar choices.
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are you messing with me?
Cause I honestly can not believe the gore is the problem here, and not the fact that, you know, you're killing someone.
This is borderline psychotic, man, seriously.
Why not? Based on ownership, it does not appear to bother you....
Nor does the swearing, the 'nudity' or any of this 'explicit' content.
I'm not the one making a big deal about things that are wholly trivial compared to the fact you're killing people left and right all throughout the game.
I admit to not being so complete in my willingness to play such material. Choose to use the Gore Toggle, and will plan on using the Nudity and Obscenity Toggles if they are implemented. Currently, I bench Companions, and refrain from many Romances to avoid such content, but also miss those stories. If the content is not so controlled (eg; TW3), then I skip the game entirely. Toggles would be of help.
It's ****** not. Why are you so stubborn?
There is absolutely no demand for a toggle, it's nothing but a source of unnecessary work and problems that would cost money that can not be recouped.
If there was a demand for a T rated Mass Effect, then BioWare would make the entire game T rated from the beginning... but they'd never go to the trouble of implementing a ****** toggle.
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You know, I get the feeling that E deliberately goads us so that his posting counter increases. I think he has a side bet about this.
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