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[Fandango]

And Gears of War, already successful, became even more successful because it now appealed to a wider audience. 
 
What's what is really simple.
 
Companies will make decisions based on a business plan. It's always going to be that way. If a company decides to use add a filter or a toggle because they feel it adds more customers buying their product, and then statistical analysis shows that it does, they will do so. If the filter does not add more customers, it will be taken out in future titles. 
 
As such, oppose a filter or not, potential profit will dictate what companies do, and if they feel that such a toggle is viable and can work, and the potential gains are greater than the losses, they will likely do it. 
 
And those who want the violence, the strong language, the graphics and all other aspects of mature content, they can have it, and those who want to reduce it, for many reasons of their own, can also do so, and if both buy the game rather than just one, profit goes up for the company. 
 
Profit, my good man, and money, makes the world go round, no matter how much we delude ourselves otherwise.

Well thanks muchly for the business brief dragonflight288, I'm embarrassed to admit that it just hadn't occurred to me that adding a wonderworking toggle to ME:A would be so straightforward and commercially viable.

Make it happen BioWare!

[Elhanan]

Just wanted to say, the history is full of persons and organizations (private, political or religious) who tried to censor, control nude/sexual content. They all failed. And there is nothing bad about that, we (humans) just like it.
And as you mentioned the well written stories etc. Yes they are and the level of nudity (if there is really any) is ok ... it`s the feeling when you play it, getting in the story the live of the ones in love and you want to see it at least you want to be teased.
 
Just sounds like someone who likes apples but is allergic to it ... so what get another fruit

And yet, we as individuals should have more control to select out own standards rather than satisfy such organizations, so an option such as a Toggle better insures our personal freedom of choice.

[Fandango]

And yet, we as individuals should have more control to select out own standards rather than satisfy such organizations, so an option such as a Toggle better insures our personal freedom of choice.

You have personal freedom enough to choose to ignore those games that were not developed with you in mind Elhanan.

[Battlebloodmage]

You have personal freedom enough to choose to ignore those games that were not developed with you in mind Elhanan.

No, she'd rather have the game to be made the way she wants, damn everyone else, damn the cost, damn the developers here already stated the problems, damn the unequal comparison with a different franchise with a bigger budget and less focus on writing. 

Just watch, she's gonna ignore everything said so far by other posters as well as the developers and come back and repeat everything all over again.

 

[Elhanan]

You have personal freedom enough to choose to ignore those games that were not developed with you in mind Elhanan.

Would not want that as "history is full of persons and organizations... who tried to censor, control nude/sexual content." That would seem to include those wish to control M content as well.

[Fandango]

Would not want that as "history is full of persons and organizations... who tried to censor, control nude/sexual content." That would seem to include those wish to control M content as well.

I'm not sure I follow.

[Xetykins]

I'm not sure I follow.

You'll just wreck your brain if you try I gave up on understanding Elhanan long time ago. He's got some funny lines tho.

[fchopin]

I don't see anything wrong requesting a toggle for nudity or gore.

The only problem I see is what it will cost to implement this in the game and what will be cut out because of this request.

[Chealec]

I no longer drive, nor make games for a living; you may have to ask another.

However, since this has been done successfully for another major franchise, perhaps Bioware would now be more willing to take a look at the feature for future games.

 
If the feature doesn't exist in the Frostbite engine, what makes you think BioWare have the ability to put it there..?
 
To take a leaf out of your book I'll just re-iterate what I said before: Epic made the Unreal engine that GoW, the previous ME titles and a tonne of other games run on. Epic implemented the feature in that engine. BioWare did not make the Unreal engine, they did not make the Frostbite engine... they make games, not engines.
 
It's possible that BioWare could have implemented a profanity filter in Mass Effect 3 since one was in GoW using the same engine... but they didn't. There wasn't enough demand, I'd guess, in their focus/test groups for it to be worth the investment.
 
So if it wasn't worth the investment when using an engine that already supports the feature, what are the odds it's worth the investment when using an engine that (possibly) doesn't? Battlefield 4 doesn't have a profanity filter, DAI doesn't have a profanity filter... as far as I'm aware there has never been a game released on the Frostbite engine that does have a profanity filter. However, it should be possible to add a child-friendly version as an entirely new language pack but that's not a toggle-able filter as such and doubles the workload as you need to do it for every language.

 

... and to quote from here: http://www.polygon.c...anguage-filters
 

We had the UI for being able to enable the filter, but when we did the localized languages, the people who did the localization, they knew that we were a mature title, and they decided to kind of … we gave them the freedom to translate however they wanted to, but they put in some additional naughty words that we didn’t catch until it was pretty late," Jon Paquette, the game’s head writer, said.

 

There were other issues. What if a sign in the game’s world included profanity? In some cases they had to create or adjust the in-game assets. There were also many judgment calls: Is "ass" a naughty word? These words also had to be removed from the subtitles. The profanity filter, oddly enough, was much more work than the gore filter.

 

So as has been repeatedly said, if it's possible in the engine (which is by no means a given on Frostbite) then it's still a crap-tonne of work.

[Elhanan]

Bioware made horses and other multi-legged creatures for the FB engine when others said it could not be done. Perhaps a Toggle is worth implementing, or at least study.

[pdusen]

Bioware made horses and other multi-legged creatures for the FB engine when others said it could not be done. Perhaps a Toggle is worth implementing, or at least study.

No one said it couldn't be done, they said Frostbite didn't already have that feature.

And it's not. A Bioware dev already came in and told you that it's not. Stop treating this like an open question when the conclusion has already been reached.

[Chealec]

Bioware made horses and other multi-legged creatures for the FB engine when others said it could not be done. Perhaps a Toggle is worth implementing, or at least study.

 

I wrote a database abstraction factory pattern in PHP once. Perhaps molecular biology is worth studying.

 

Just because one thing has been done it doesn't mean that another, completely unrelated thing that has no bearing on the technical implementation of the first thing, could or should be studied.

[Elhanan]

No one said it couldn't be done, they said Frostbite didn't already have that feature.

And it's not. A Bioware dev already came in and told you that it's not. Stop treating this like an open question when the conclusion has already been reached.

Then folks should be aware I have read the Dev's quotes, as well as understand them. But that article did mention many of the same things, has a successful implementation, and all because someone decided it might be worth the look. If one does not care for my posts of support, then they are invited to Ignore them, and me.

[Chealec]

Then folks should be aware I have read the Dev's quotes, as well as understand them. But that article did mention many of the same things, has a successful implementation, and all because someone decided it might be worth the look. If one does not care for my posts of support, then they are invited to Ignore them, and me.

 

Strange, I took what Bryan Johnson wrote as basically "even if it's technically possible there's a lot of work involved in a profanity filter - something which hasn't been a high priority in any of our tested focus groups".

 

To me that reads as "not practically/economically feasible for the demand"  to you that's "well, he didn't say no!"

[Elhanan]

Strange, I took what Bryan Johnson wrote as basically "even if it's technically possible there's a lot of work involved in a profanity filter - something which hasn't been a high priority in any of our tested focus groups".
 
To me that reads as "not practically feasible" to you that's "well, he didn't say no!"

And the article also mentioned that the hard work was worth it for that series. Am now curious if the feature is a keen point of interest in GoW4, as it seems to have been accepted.

[Paulomedi]

This thread is hypocritical, full of ridiculous prudeness, is a blight, and needs to end.

[Chealec]

And the article also mentioned that the hard work was worth it for that series. Am now curious if the feature is a keen point of interest in GoW4, as it seems to have been accepted.

 

Bolognese sauce is quite nice with Spaghetti - it's a little effort to make though but I'd be curious if anyone would like it with ice cream as it seems to have been accepted with spaghetti.

[Gwydden]

And the article also mentioned that the hard work was worth it for that series. Am now curious if the feature is a keen point of interest in GoW4, as it seems to have been accepted.

Since metaphors can get lost in translation, I'll put it simply: completely different game, completely different developer.

[Elhanan]

Since metaphors can get lost in translation, I'll put it simply: completely different game, completely different developer.

Yet successfully implemented and apparently appreciated. Goal achieved.

[Chealec]

Yet successfully implemented and apparently appreciated. Goal achieved.

 

You know there's porn of Sonic the Hedgehog right?

 

Somebody obviously appreciates that so we should lobby to get an X-Rated content toggle into Sonic?

[Sartoz]

AS I recall from DA:O Mods the ones with very very explicit sexual content were the ones with the highes dowload numbers ... what is that telling us ?

And how does someone find the way to ME/DA games if he/she has a problem with the low level of nudity anyway? 

 

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Yes, quite an interesting question isn't it?  A game whose cover art explicitly says

Let me read the box description.. Ah, here (ME3):

Blood

Partial Nudity

Sexual Content

Strong Language

Violence

 

What pops up in my mind are words such as: hypocrite, hypocritical. 

[pdusen]

Then folks should be aware I have read the Dev's quotes, as well as understand them. But that article did mention many of the same things, has a successful implementation, and all because someone decided it might be worth the look. If one does not care for my posts of support, then they are invited to Ignore them, and me.

 

Why is your response to people who disagree with you always "please ignore me kthx"? You're participating in this discussion, and that means you are going to hear other peoples' opinions, as well as their opinions on your opinions.

[Sartoz]

Because it is fairly minimal to begin with, and the stories are well written and keenly designed. As for Mods, those are not my adds for either DA or Skyrim. Tells me that Mature material is not always mature.

 

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Just a sec... I'm reading the back of the box from Inquisition  and I know you played Inquisition from tha DAI Forums.

Here, it says:

Blood

Intense Violence

Nudity

Sexual Content

Strong Language

 

Looks like someone is Pontificating and yet deliberately goes ahead and  violates their own rules by buying a game that clearly states it has objectionable content

[Sartoz]

And yet, we as individuals should have more control to select out own standards rather than satisfy such organizations, so an option such as a Toggle better insures our personal freedom of choice.

 

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Twisted logic E. You already have all the freedom you want. Clearly the box cover states it has, from your point of view, Objectionable Material. Yet you buy it nyway when clearly you are free to NOT buy it.

[Elhanan]

Why is your response to people who disagree with you always "please ignore me kthx"? You're participating in this discussion, and that means you are going to hear other peoples' opinions, as well as their opinions on your opinions.

No; going with advice from the mods to Ignore rather than respond. Try it....