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An Open Letter to Bioware Regarding Explicit Content


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#151
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Only if we can see penis jiggling around also. 

DUDE I was going to add this, but I was posting from work and got a customer.

I'm totally down with penis flopping, because I think it's hilarious.  

If there's no 'helicopter' option in ME:A, I'm not buying it!


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Blood, yes.

 

But not a single asploding head that I saw.  No Ludicrous Gibs.  No fountains of blood.  

Yes, and blood inclusion is one of the BIGGEST reasons for a game to be rated M. Gore and blood are not always the same thing. Either of them could make the game to be rated M. I can count T rated games with blood on my hand, and you yourself mentioned how inappropriate the game subjects can be. Not sure what's your point is. 



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Only if we can see penis jiggling around also.


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For the record I like to have mature content in my games. Bring on the ludicrous gibs, hardcore pr0n and blushing sailor potty mouths, I say! But at the same time, I do agree on some level with the OP, at least on the issue of violence. Surely it's no trouble to put an optional gore filter into the game, at least?



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Surely it's no trouble to put an optional gore filter into the game, at least?

 

No, it's surely some trouble, but probably relatively little trouble.

 

Things like nudity and language, on the other hand, would be quite a bit of trouble.


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I personally feel like we should just make them change the whole story: You, Shepard, come from a family of farmers. You decide to do something else than your family, which forms a lot of controversy in your family, but you end up doing what you want to do: You become a teacher. Your mission is to teach children how to plant flowers, when an old synthetic race, the Reapers, come and try to plant more trees instead of flowers, you decide to bake them a cake in form of a flower with the children. The Reapers decide to bake you little tree cookies every Hanukkah from that day on and you get married to one of them after a ten year engagement. No sex before marriage though, that would be terribly crude.

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I personally feel like we should just make them change the whole story: You, Shepard, come from a family of farmers. You decide to do something else than your family, which forms a lot of controversy in your family, but you end up doing what you want to do: You become a teacher. Your mission is to teach children how to plant flowers, when an old synthetic race, the Reapers, come and try to plant more trees instead of flowers, you decide to bake them a cake in form of a flower with the children. The Reapers decide to bake you little tree cookies every Hanukkah from that day on and you get married to one of them after a ten year engagement. No sex before marriage though, that would be terribly crude.

 

This is better than ME2 and ME3.


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#158
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No, it's surely some trouble, but probably relatively little trouble.

Things like nudity and language, on the other hand, would be quite a bit of trouble.


Black bars.

Or, they can take a page out of The Saboteur's playbook and do stars over the naughty bits.

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My dad and I sometimes play games together. I'm not overwhelmingly fond of jiggling breasts filling the screen during those moments.

 

I am very much bothered by the possibility of developers conciously or unconciously assuming they're 'finished' with a dramatic moment because they have a big sex scene. The possibility of developers explicitly or implicitly assuming sex scenes are a substitution for proper romance and character development and such. Or the assumption that profanity equates to a character being 'tough,' or 'hardened' or something of the sort, that certainly seems to be a thing.

 

I'm not 'bothered' by gore, but there are right and wrong ways to handle it. I think it's rather childish when serious films try to make sure the camera zooms in nice and close to wounds exploding with blood.


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Sexual stuff in romance content in some romances in DA have been optional or some romances haven't included them. But I wonder if sexual content here means also strippers and sth else  that ME has, not only romances.

 

Well OP probaply shouldn't watch finnish or even nordic television series, that's for sure. Every sentence has curse word in them XD But maybe bleeping out those or muting them wouldn't be too much of work for Bioware.

 

ME has more brutality in scenes that play out than in combat in my opinion. Well at least brutality that strikes you. Though I find myself quite unfaced majority of time, "violence" that somewhat bothers- or maybe disturbs is better- me is things like Jack's backstory, but it's not gore nor violence shown on screen.

 

I think some level OP's request can be included in the game, but it would take some extra work for Bioware depending on what they really needed to cut.


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I didn't even think about strippers.  They're like, my favorite working people.  I hope they get proper jiggly treatment in the next game.  And they better work the damn poles, too. Not just stand next to them and stomp their foot, and **** like the ones in Afterlife.


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Poor wittle baaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy-beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.



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I didn't even think about strippers.  They're like, my favorite working people.  I hope they get proper jiggly treatment in the next game.  And they better work the damn poles, too. Not just stand next to them and stomp their foot, and **** like the ones in Afterlife.

Strippers are hard workers. They work on a pole both on and off work.

 

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who needs "explicit" content?

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Yes, and blood inclusion is one of the BIGGEST reasons for a game to be rated M. Gore and blood are not always the same thing. Either of them could make the game to be rated M. I can count T rated games with blood on my hand, and you yourself mentioned how inappropriate the game subjects can be. Not sure what's your point is. 

I'm not sure what your point is, either.

 

I'm not opposed to blood and violence in an M rated game.  But using it in a gratuitously  over-the-top manner is rather tiresome.

 

If someone gets shot on screen, yeah I'd expect there to be blood.  But an entire head exploding, with bits of skull flying about?  Or the entire body exploding? (Yeah, body shots with a Widow or other powerful weapon in ME3 would do that)  Do we really need that?



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I have seen countless forum threads where gamers have asked if X game has an option to turn off explicit content

wait what?


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Personally I think the original mild nature of the content in ME1 and DAO had more to do with Bioware being unsure with what they could and couldn't get away with. If ME1 and DAO came out today, I think they definitely would have had stronger language and possibly more explicit nudity, because I believe those aspects are definitely part of the tone of the worlds that Bioware is trying to craft.

 

But that's just one man's interpretation of the whole thing.


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Well they didn't even have head shots in ME1 so that would partially explain why you didn't have exploding heads. As for DAO, that was not toned down at all. One of the big early comments is why your character got covered with unrealistic amounts of blood. Also why does your dog lick you clean???

 

But there is some seriously dark story content in DAO (especially around the dwarves and the broodmother). You can't turn that off with a toggle as it would be re-writing the game. So if you are already exposed to that, then there is no real reason to tone down other more mild parts even if it could be done with a toggle.

 

ME is similar. You had story elements where dead colonists were turned into husks by impaling them on robotic spikes. The entire plot of the collectors in ME2 was pretty dark. You are dealing with issues like genocide, rape, horrific mutation, murderous betrayal etc. I can't see how you are OK with those story elements but worried about an exploding head courtesy of a head shot.


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I'm sorry, you can't ask for choice of how this content is supposed to be experienced. It is the creator's job to determine the experience the audience is supposed to have. You can't just have a toggle for what kind of experience you want to have and flip it on or off. 

 

You can have a toggle for helmets or UI, but you can't have a toggle for major themes and storytelling vehicles like violence and sexuality. 

So presumably you deny the existence of the gore toggle in DA. The OP is asking Bioware to be able to change the presentation of the story, not to change the story itself. In any case the OP can ask for whatever he or she wants. Out of interest, do you go on all the other ME:A threads to tell posters that they can't ask for Asari, or femme fatales or the myriad other things that people ask for? If not, what's so special about this one?


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I'm not sure what your point is, either.

 

I'm not opposed to blood and violence in an M rated game.  But using it in a gratuitously  over-the-top manner is rather tiresome.

 

If someone gets shot on screen, yeah I'd expect there to be blood.  But an entire head exploding, with bits of skull flying about?  Or the entire body exploding? (Yeah, body shots with a Widow or other powerful weapon in ME3 would do that)  Do we really need that?

Yes, we do, it's exaggeration. It's special effects like the special button. It's enhancing the visual effect for people who like big explosion and the likes. It enhances the experience for me. I hope that it remains that way. The content itself is already pretty dark and many of the deaths are even more gruesome on-screen like Kelly's death in ME2. Exploding heads are mild in comparison. It seems like pick and choose what you want to be offended by. If you want to argue realism then fair enough but gore makes no sense as there are more gruesome deaths and weird mutation on-screen. 



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sometimes you click on a thread and you KNOW it's just going to be a massive pissing contest.

 

I don't get the arguments. This is a) optional b) shouldn't be too hard or resource-draining at all to include. Just add:

 

1. a tick box option to remove some particularly gory animations (think of those messy kills in DA:O, for instance) and excessive blood splattering on character models. Probably requires the most work, but DA has done it before. Doubt BW couldn't include that again.

2. a tick box option to skip sex scenes entirely. minimal programming adjustments required.

3. a tick box option to bleep out words. minimal programming adjustments required.

 

I can understand finding gore repulsive/sickening and not wanting to see it in order to keep your stomach afloat, and I can definitely understand wanting to cut out sex scenes - most awkward thing to accidentally trigger in public or in company (speaking from experience here: I ended up first watching my first DA:O sex scene on a rush hour train to London, completely by accident). And whilst I swear a bit like a sailor myself, I can get that's not some people's cup of tea.

 

No problem giving people the choice to remove that. I mean, I like gore and sex and f-bombs, but having a tick box option to remove that stuff doesn't magically lead to some slippery slope argument where sex/gore/f-bombs disappear. They're part of the appeal for a bunch of people and they're not going to disappear soon. Just let them be happy and enjoy your own, untainted, exceedingly gory and sweary and sexy gaming experience.


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I'm not sure what your point is, either.

 

I'm not opposed to blood and violence in an M rated game.  But using it in a gratuitously  over-the-top manner is rather tiresome.

 

If someone gets shot on screen, yeah I'd expect there to be blood.  But an entire head exploding, with bits of skull flying about?  Or the entire body exploding? (Yeah, body shots with a Widow or other powerful weapon in ME3 would do that)  Do we really need that?

 

Sometimes, fools need a righteous assplosion.

 

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In the words of Jeff Moreau: Take that, ya sons of b*tches! 


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Yes, we do, it's exaggeration. It's special effects like the special button. It's enhancing the visual effect for people who like big explosion and the likes. It enhances the experience for me. I hope that it remains that way. The content itself is already pretty dark and many of the deaths are even more gruesome on-screen like Kelly's death in ME2. Exploding heads are mild in comparison. It seems like pick and choose what you want to be offended by.

Well, personally I don't need artificial enhancement for an enjoyable experience  :whistle:

 

And I think it says something about how desensitized we've all become when exploding heads are "mild"


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Explicit content? In ME? Where and what? Are you referring to the love scenes? Cause I've seen worse on Saturday morning cartoons. Or the gore? Cause there isn't much gore. Especially when compared against other games.


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Well they didn't even have head shots in ME1 so that would partially explain why you didn't have exploding heads. As for DAO, that was not toned down at all. One of the big early comments is why your character got covered with unrealistic amounts of blood. Also why does your dog lick you clean???

 

But there is some seriously dark story content in DAO (especially around the dwarves and the broodmother). You can't turn that off with a toggle as it would be re-writing the game. So if you are already exposed to that, then there is no real reason to tone down other more mild parts even if it could be done with a toggle.

 

ME is similar. You had story elements where dead colonists were turned into husks by impaling them on robotic spikes. The entire plot of the collectors in ME2 was pretty dark. You are dealing with issues like genocide, rape, horrific mutation, murderous betrayal etc. I can't see how you are OK with those story elements but worried about an exploding head courtesy of a head shot.

The OP isn't talking about story content though.  it's about 1) gore 2) language and 3) nudity.

 

You can have a mature, even dark story without going overboard on these things.