Aww... I didn't get a response from Dragonflight288... now I'm sad.
Did you guys know that there is a Ned Flanders inspired metal band? I feel like that's something a few people in this thread would listen to.
Hadn't gotten around to it, I'm afraid. 
Only had so much time online and so many posts I could respond to. I'm pretty much on and off today. Not much time to sit and get as in depth with discussions with everyone as I would like.
So .... in essence you actually agree with me?!
I've never said I was opposed to the idea in principle; except in mockery, on the other virtually identical thread which I was hoping would just die as we don't need two of these things. All I've done is explain the technical aspects of the situation as I see it... and stated that I really can't see the ROI there. I never jumped down the OP's throat on this and I've attempted to explain the technical situation objectively as best I can for the most part.
If you're really bored go back through the previous 67 pages and read everything I wrote. My very first post went to the effect of "I wouldn't use it but I can't object to someone else wanting it"... then I thought about it a bit more and the potential implications, read what some other people (including Bryan Johnson) wrote, and decided that I still wouldn't use it, most other people wouldn't use it, and it there would be some pretty serious technical, financial and time-based costs which would impinge upon the core game development.
We're not talking a ketchup filter here but something far more time consuming.
I'm assuming Elhanan put me on ignore (I think I know exactly which post triggered it if he did - and it wasn't in this thread) - but before that every response he gave back basically ignored everything that you've just said you get; he doesn't get it or he deliberately doesn't want to.
If you want me to be subjective on the matter and state my actual opinion I can do... but I'll have to be very careful how I word it.
Having read through a few pages multiple times, I actually think what we've got is a case of miscommunication based in preconceptions and the ignore option form past discussions getting in the way of this one.
One of Elhanan's earliest posts was simply that he supported the idea of a toggle for personal reasons and left it at that. He then went on to try and expand that to resources I think, but at that point I think he was frustrated and he didn't put it down as coherent as he could've, then it became 30 + pages of going back and forth of "Prude," "it's not feasible resource wise" and "I think Bioware can at least do a study to see if the idea has enough merit to be worth the extra costs," "but that would take resources that would otherwise go to making the game," "prude," etc. etc.
I think we agree on the marketing aspects of things, and possibly even subjective part of things as well, although neither have actually gotten into it so I can't say for sure, and I honestly don't think Andromeda will have a toggle or filter option. It's too late in the developing process.
What I think is the case is that the OP requested that it be looked into in a respectful manner, a few people were making fun of him on the first page, others were pointing out the issues with it, and Elhanan supported the OP, and has stuck around to defend his position, and they are hoping that Bioware or EA will, at the very least, conduct studies and surveys on how large the market would actually be and at least consider such an option in future titles (and Andromeda just happens to be the next confirmed Bioware game coming out so it's naturally posted here,) so they can continue to play the game series that they have become emotionally invested in, whether it's the galaxy or Thedas with their accompanying characters and protagonists, and not have to be selective in which romances to pursue or companions they bring along on missions.
I think that's really what the whole argument boils down to.
Perhaps you should actually read the thread before making unqualified comments.
Well, clearly someone is salty.
Is 70 pages of discussion really necessary for a request like this?
My point was illustrating how even this filter doesn't work.
How people can then expect it to be implemented in the game is another matter entirely; especially given the variants in what is 'offensive ' between English and the American version.
Now imagine multiplying that by all the other languages.
Or is it only for Americans? In that case can I have an English version (voiced by Alex wilton naturally ) where we get to keep all the good bits?
Making the filter work across all languages the game is published in would take professional work standards and ethics but so does every other aspect of making the game.
Content control sliders should be made available for all end-users within all markets the game is sold in.
The filter ideally would allow you to have your version of good bits and allow content for users who would pay to hear her moans without **** talking when her character uses a space-mage toothbrush in an unconventional way during a cut scene.
Well, clearly someone is salty.
Is 70 pages of discussion really necessary for a request like this?
Nope, could easily have been resolved in 5, tops.
Well, clearly someone is salty.
Is 70 pages of discussion really necessary for a request like this?
Considering the topic is still going and there are still aspects that could be discussed in more detail the answer would be yes. Sure, it could be resolved to the satisfaction of a particular bias within a few pages of black and white if we'd all just homogenize ourselves to the lowest common denominator.
Having read through a few pages multiple times, I actually think what we've got is a case of miscommunication based in preconceptions and the ignore option form past discussions getting in the way of this one.
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I think that's really what the whole argument boils down to.
I've been off work with a stinking cold the last few days so I've been posting on this way more than I would normally, so yeah, I've read everything...
I know exactly what the pro argument is but take this little bit of the discussion - I pointed out that there may be issues with attempting this on the Frostbite engine as it's never been done before, that BioWare didn't develop the Frostbite engine and the 2 instances of games that I found with a profanity filter for in-game content were both developed by the company that did build the engine as well as the game. BioWare make games, not engines.
The response was the BioWare have put horses in the Frostbite engine... so they should look at a profanity filter.
Now I know not everyone is particularly technically adept but those two things have nothing to do with each other; the Frostbite engine certainly supports 3D models with inverse kinematics - the tech is already there it's just a matter of being clever about how you use it. The tech required for a profanity filter would probably require splicing audio tracks queuing both up in memory and stitching them back together seamlessly. That's really something for the people who developed the engine to look at, not BioWare.
... and there was no rebuttal to that it was just conveniently ignored and we go back to "BioWare should look at a profanity filter" ...
Bryan Johnson actually asked where you might conduct this survey to see if there's support for the idea (which led to my moment of Mormon/Amish confusion) and stated that BioWare already do focus group testing... they've done the research insofar as any games company does. That was also glossed over.
I've also pointed out, on at least 2 occasions that it's already too late for MEA ... which, again, has been pretty much conveniently ignored.
So if we forget about the instances of name-calling, which really add nothing to the discussion, you've one side pointing out the pitfalls and impracticalities of a profanity filter and the other seemingly ignoring anything they don't want to hear and simply re-iterating the fact that they want a profanity filter.
Help me out here - what more could those of us against the idea on purely technical or economic reasons have done?!
There's been no counter-argument just stonewalling.
Considering the topic is still going and there are still aspects that could be discussed in more detail the answer would be yes.
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Name one that hasn't already been covered.
71 pages and we're still talking in circles? Why is this thread still alive? Why do you people enjoy talking in circles and repeating yourselves so much?
71 pages and we're still talking in circles? Why is this thread still alive? Why do you people enjoy talking in circles and repeating yourselves so much?
Enjoyment? Far from it. This is more a battle to have the last word. 
71 pages and we're still talking in circles? Why is this thread still alive? Why do you people enjoy talking in circles and repeating yourselves so much?
I'm ill and not in much of a fit state for anything more challenging
I'll be back at work on Monday no doubt so my input will drop away significantly then.
Having read through a few pages multiple times, I actually think what we've got is a case of miscommunication based in preconceptions and the ignore option form past discussions getting in the way of this one.
One of Elhanan's earliest posts was simply that he supported the idea of a toggle for personal reasons and left it at that. He then went on to try and expand that to resources I think, but at that point I think he was frustrated and he didn't put it down as coherent as he could've, then it became 30 + pages of going back and forth of "Prude," "it's not feasible resource wise" and "I think Bioware can at least do a study to see if the idea has enough merit to be worth the extra costs," "but that would take resources that would otherwise go to making the game," "prude," etc. etc.
I think we agree on the marketing aspects of things, and possibly even subjective part of things as well, although neither have actually gotten into it so I can't say for sure, and I honestly don't think Andromeda will have a toggle or filter option. It's too late in the developing process.
What I think is the case is that the OP requested that it be looked into in a respectful manner, a few people were making fun of him on the first page, others were pointing out the issues with it, and Elhanan supported the OP, and has stuck around to defend his position, and they are hoping that Bioware or EA will, at the very least, conduct studies and surveys on how large the market would actually be and at least consider such an option in future titles (and Andromeda just happens to be the next confirmed Bioware game coming out so it's naturally posted here,) so they can continue to play the game series that they have become emotionally invested in, whether it's the galaxy or Thedas with their accompanying characters and protagonists, and not have to be selective in which romances to pursue or companions they bring along on missions.
I think that's really what the whole argument boils down to.
Name one that hasn't already been covered.
Can God be found in the details?
There are some little questions related to MP. Like, for example, can reduced gore work in MP with those that have gore enabled?
Nudity and graphic sex scenes have only been scantily touched upon.
One particular aspect that concerns me specifically, which got some traction, is a shiny of the pony I attached to OP's cart in the broken aspects of the ratings system, parental controls and AO content. I'd like to talk about this more but only if someone else brings it up.
I really wish I could downvote posts.
Enjoyment? Far from it. This is more a battle to have the last word.
Such battles are only fun when there is trolling involved. I can't seriously understand why you, Chaelec and others are spending so much time in this thread. But hey, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Good luck getting the last word. I don't think you'll get it. You guys put too much effort into your arguments while Elhanan only makes short copy-and-paste comments.
Such battles are only fun when there is trolling involved. I can't seriously understand why you, Chaelec and others are spending so much time in this thread. But hey, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Good luck getting the last word. I don't think you'll get it. You guys put too much effort into your arguments while Elhanan only makes short copy-and-paste comments.
Hey don't judge me - I'm ill
Can God be found in the details?
There are some little questions related to MP. Like, for example, can reduced gore work in MP with those that have gore enabled?
Nudity and graphic sex scenes have only been scantily touched upon.
One particular aspect that concerns me specifically which got some traction is a shiny of the pony I attached to OP's cart in the broken aspects of the ratings system, parental controls and AO content. I'd like to talk about this more but only if someone else brings it up.
Can God be found in the details?
There are some little questions related to MP. Like, for example, can reduced gore work in MP with those that have gore enabled?
Nudity and graphic sex scenes have only been scantily touched upon.
One particular aspect that concerns me specifically, which got some traction, is a shiny of the pony I attached to OP's cart in the broken aspects of the ratings system, parental controls and AO content. I'd like to talk about this more but only if someone else brings it up.
Gore filter: that runs on the client so in MP whoever has gore disabled won't see the gore irrespective of anyone else's settings.
Nudity and graphic sex... depends on how it's implemented. Personally I'm not a big fan of in-game character models groin-grinding in their undies - I think it looks silly. I'd rather they went with pre-rendered cut-scenes and any conversation events happening during the proverbial post-coital cigarette. That would actually have the advantage, from the filter perspective, of making the sex scene itself skippable; wouldn't work if there's any required interaction though and makes the scene itself basically fluff... but then again, there hasn't been any interaction in any sex scene in an ME game anyway as far as I remember. Of the ME games though, I think ME1 did it best with strategically placed camera angles.
Filters or parental controls won't affect the rating - games are always rated based on the "most extreme" available content... other than that, I'm not really sure what you mean - care to elaborate?
...Wonder if Bioware already has a language filter for any m/p games (eg, SWTOR, ME3, DA-MP, etc) due to chat issues. If so, this might aid in placing a filter in a single player game.
No they don't and no it won't - and I really can't be bothered to elaborate.
Cannot recall, but this does bring up a good point. Wonder if Bioware already has a language filter for any m/p games (eg, SWTOR, ME3, DA-MP, etc) due to chat issues. If so, this might aid in placing a filter in a single player game.
The only chat filter ME3MP has is muting oneself and/or the other players. It works well. It doesn't change the game experience negatively for those that mute or not.
My point was illustrating how even this filter doesn't work.
How people can then expect it to be implemented in the game is another matter entirely; especially given the variants in what is 'offensive ' between English and the American version.
Now imagine multiplying that by all the other languages.
Or is it only for Americans? In that case can I have an English version (voiced by Alex wilton naturally ) where we get to keep all the good bits?
Can I buy the import?
The only chat filter ME3MP has is muting oneself and/or the other players. It works well. It doesn't change the game experience negatively for those that mute or not.
And that's only on consoles and is, I believe, part of either the SEN or XBL architecture rather than the game (isn't it controlled through the "players met" list or whatever?) - no such thing exists on PC.
And that's only on consoles and is, I believe, part of either the SEN or XBL architecture rather than the game - no such thing exists on PC.
There's voice chat in Me3 through Origin, but pretty much no one uses it.
There's voice chat in Me3 through Origin, but pretty much no one uses it.
I know I use it with friends all the time (well, when I used to play a lot more regularly than I do at the moment) ... but there's nothing on PC to mute anyone, which is what I was referring to. There's nothing we can do about the mouth-breathers and audio-loopers.
... well apart from waiting until everyone has bled out and then refusing to kill that final banshee until they shut the f*** up as I have done in the past *ahem*
Dear Bioware,
More full-frontal nudity.
Thanks in advance.
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