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[Elhanan]

I suggest you go back and read my earlier posts of what I imagine would be the actual work of implementing this type of thing. Then please tell me what of that work would actually be reusable. Short answer this is not a 1 time do it and its done. The reusable part, UI element, and hook to say enabled or disabled (this isnt a ton of work to begin with). The work that does take a lot of time, is setting up alternatives (would have to do for every line), re-recording (would have to do every line). We also know how hilarious bad voice recognition can be, so that is certainly not an option to do it dynamically.

Believe it was mentioned that a Toggle would be a feature. If it is not to be carried over from games using the same engine, and recreation would be needed for each new title, then it would appear that the Toggle is not a feature after all.

Writers and programmers could aid in identifying the target words and phrases, and QA could assist with language getting by the filter. The VO sessions would include the tracks needed for the chosen method of using the filter.

As DAI is the first game to use multiple VO choices, it would need to be decided if this is to be replicated for other titles. Based on past ME games, this would not appear to be the case, though future DA games may include them for varied race choices.

And cost would be determined approximately before this stage, if I recall correctly. Am rather certain that if the process was not determined to be a productive one, this would be decided well before too much time and funds were expended.

Believe Bioware/ EA should make a study and research the possibilities, both pro and con, then proceed from there.

[Elhanan]

If there are people in situations when people generally don't have any clothes on (showering, sex), then don't put them in underwear, goddamit. This should be a mature series, people who are playing this are usually used to the nude bodies of both sexes, and generally the main hero and romance options are very attractive people, so there isn't a factor of being grossed out.
 
It really breaks the immersion when there is a passionate sex scene and both have their underwear during and after. Like c'mon, people will probably die very violently sometimes during this game, so why not show the better part of life with the same opennes as the worse part.

Personally, prefer to skip these scenes; generally have little to do with the story. Maturity has little to do with watching others use the latrine; even has rules against it in RL, so there goes immersion. And as for sex; prefer romance in a game. Prefer to leave sexcapades for other genres; not cRPG's.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Believe Bioware/ EA should make a study and research the possibilities, both pro and con, then proceed from there.

 

 

The problem is, you are almost alone with that request. Do you honestly believe a multi-million dollar project will be changed to please you? Unless you can prove that there is a demand for that this discussion is going nowhere.

 

Create a poll, ask people to vote in it, post in other forums and garner support. Show us and BioWare that investing those resources will be profitable.

 

Until then you're just wasting everyone's time in this thread.

[BloodySpirit]

Personally, prefer to skip these scenes; generally have little to do with the story. Maturity has little to do with watching others use the latrine; even has rules against it in RL, so there goes immersion. And as for sex; prefer romance in a game. Prefer to leave sexcapades for other genres; not cRPG's.

Well of course that showing characters use the latrine would be very distasteful, and I'm not really talking about that. 

 

Sex scenes in Bioware games are usually used to "consummate" the romance between the character and the love interest, thus offering a satisfying conclusion to your courting throughout the whole game. So there is actually a sense to them. They don't have to be porn-like in nature, it's about expressing the fact that these characters DO have a sexual side, as the vast majority of people in RL also do, and they are now showing their intimate nature, both mental and physical, to the other character. 

 

These games are meant to transform you into another person, and they try to give these people personalities as real humans do. And I don't know about you, but people in real life are usually much more sexual than the ones in the games, even having sex outside of romance for the purpose of enjoying it. And being immersed with your character is generally what Bioware titles try to do, isn't it? So why not show their sexual sides as realistically as they show the other ones if it makes sense to include in the story? It's just strange to shy away from such an important part of human adult life while being an adult game.

[Chealec]

Well of course that showing characters use the latrine would be very distasteful, and I'm not really talking about that. 
 
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You know I would actually prefer it if that Turian in the bog in the Dark Star Lounge actually took a leak and then left rather than just lurking in there like some kind of creepy cockwatcher every time you go in...

[Elhanan]

Well of course that showing characters use the latrine would be very distasteful, and I'm not really talking about that. 
 
Sex scenes in Bioware games are usually used to "consummate" the romance between the character and the love interest, thus offering a satisfying conclusion to your courting throughout the whole game. So there is actually a sense to them. They don't have to be porn-like in nature, it's about expressing the fact that these characters DO have a sexual side, as the vast majority of people in RL also do, and they are now showing their intimate nature, both mental and physical, to the other character. 
 
These games are meant to transform you into another person, and they try to give these people personalities as real humans do. And I don't know about you, but people in real life are usually much more sexual than the ones in the games, even having sex outside of romance for the purpose of enjoying it. And being immersed with your character is generally what Bioware titles try to do, isn't it? So why not show their sexual sides as realistically as they show the other ones if it makes sense to include in the story? It's just strange to shy away from such an important part of human adult life while being an adult game.

But actually prefer the courting and friendships more than the sexual liaisons. Aveline, Scout Harding, and relationships with EDI, Liara, Tali, etc are appreciated more than some cut-scene.

[Iakus]

 

These games are meant to transform you into another person, and they try to give these people personalities as real humans do. And I don't know about you, but people in real life are usually much more sexual than the ones in the games, even having sex outside of romance for the purpose of enjoying it. And being immersed with your character is generally what Bioware titles try to do, isn't it? So why not show their sexual sides as realistically as they show the other ones if it makes sense to include in the story? It's just strange to shy away from such an important part of human adult life while being an adult game.

And what if people want to see a love story, but don't wish to be a voyeur into that aspect of their lives?

 

Is that really so strange?

[Xetykins]

And what if people want to see a love story, but don't wish to be a voyeur into that aspect of their lives?
 
Is that really so strange?

Don't they already have skip button for that?

[BloodySpirit]

But actually prefer the courting and friendships more than the sexual liaisons. Aveline, Scout Harding, and relationships with EDI, Liara, Tali, etc are appreciated more than some cut-scene.

Yeah, romances in ME games quite sucked, to be honest.

 

I mean the friendships (especially people like Garrus, Tali, Joker) seemed so much more honest than the romantic relationships.. The romances always felt so serious and not fun. There should be more light-heartedness in the dialogues sometimes. I don't even know if that's a word.

[KaiserShep]

Personally, prefer to skip these scenes; generally have little to do with the story. Maturity has little to do with watching others use the latrine; even has rules against it in RL, so there goes immersion. And as for sex; prefer romance in a game. Prefer to leave sexcapades for other genres; not cRPG's.

It strikes me as a little disturbing that a sex scene is dropped in the same idea as watching someone take a p*ss. To say that it has little to do with the story is not really accurate either, since character focus makes these things part of the protagonist's personal story. That it's not tied directly to the main plot isn't really important; it's supposed to be an important part of the character's life, shared with another character that s/he presumably cares for a great deal. Of course, if the game allows for casual sex as well, then fine. It's something the player has to actively engage in anyway and it does still build the character the way they see fit. Of course, the typical BioWare game has very little actual sex going on anyway. It's usually just dialogue, a few seconds in between, and then more dialogue.

This distinction between romance and sex doesn't really exist, unless it's being reduced to perfunctory humping like a pair of sea turtles. Like, can anyone honestly claim that the scene with nude inquisitor and Cassandra isn't romantic, despite the dialogue shared between them?

[Iakus]

Don't they already have skip button for that?

For ME1, yeah.  But in DAI, you can't always skip.

[Elhanan]

It strikes me as a little disturbing that a sex scene is dropped in the same idea as watching someone take a p*ss. To say that it has little to do with the story is not really accurate either, since character focus makes these things part of the protagonist's personal story. That it's not tied directly to the main plot isn't really important; it's supposed to be an important part of the character's life, shared with another character that s/he presumably cares for a great deal. Of course, if the game allows for casual sex as well, then fine. It's something the player has to actively engage in anyway and it does still build the character the way they see fit. Of course, the typical BioWare game has very little actual sex going on anyway. It's usually just dialogue, a few seconds in between, and then more dialogue.

This distinction between romance and sex doesn't really exist, unless it's being reduced to perfunctory humping like a pair of sea turtles. Like, can anyone honestly claim that the scene with nude inquisitor and Cassandra isn't romantic, despite the dialogue shared between them?

Prefer the banter and dialogue; not the nudity. And watching the discharge of bodily fluids is not that appealing, in or outside the confines of the bathroom.

[Chealec]

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This distinction between romance and sex doesn't really exist...

 

Try going clubbing on the Bigg Market in Newcastle sometime ... or on the gay scene.

 

Not much romance in oral sex in the toilets of a nightclub while someone is throwing up the the urinal behind you tbh

[FKA_Servo]

For ME1, yeah.  But in DAI, you can't always skip.

 

In DAI, in at least some of the romances, you're given the option to complete it while navigating past the cutscene "payoff" via dialogue options as well. This is definitely the case with Blackwall. I believe it's the case with Dorian. I think it's the case with some of the others with more explicit scenes, though I don't know for sure (my only completed playthroughs are with Cass and Blackwall romances).

 

Which is a great way to handle it, I think. Less intensive than all this toggle nonsense, more rewarding in the RP sense to a greater number of players.

[Iakus]

In DAI, in at least some of the romances, you're given the option to complete it while navigating past the cutscene "payoff" via dialogue options as well. This is definitely the case with Blackwall. I believe it's the case with Dorian. I think it's the case with some of the others with more explicit scenes, though I don't know for sure (my only completed playthroughs are with Cass and Blackwall romances).

 

Which is a great way to handle it, I think. Less intensive than all this toggle nonsense, more rewarding in the RP sense to a greater number of players.

Yes, Blackwall and Dorian have romances that can be completed without a sex scene.  Similarly you can do the same in DAO with Alistair and Leliana.  And in ME1, at least, you can choose not to have sex with Ashley/Kaidan/Liara and the romance still completes 

 

And I think this is a perfectly fine way to go about it.  Or, barring that, doing the ME1 thing where you can skip the sex scene with the push of a button.

[Chealec]

... as an aside, it was done in other games so I think BioWare should look into it:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... the sad thing is, just how much I laughed at Duke playing with poo ... I blame the very large medicinal JD Tennessee Honey I had when I got home from work

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In DAI, in at least some of the romances, you're given the option to complete it while navigating past the cutscene "payoff" via dialogue options as well. This is definitely the case with Blackwall. I believe it's the case with Dorian. I think it's the case with some of the others with more explicit scenes, though I don't know for sure (my only completed playthroughs are with Cass and Blackwall romances).

 

Which is a great way to handle it, I think. Less intensive than all this toggle nonsense, more rewarding in the RP sense to a greater number of players.

DAI had it like this:

 

Romance with a mandatory sex scene that cannot be skipped: Cassandra, Cullen, The Iron Bull

Romance with an optional sex scene that can be skipped: Dorian, Rainier, Sera

Romance with the level of physical intimacy left ambiguous: Josephine, Solas

 

Hopefully MEA does a similar thing, rather than in past games like ME2 or ME3 where the sex scenes are always mandatory. 

[Heathen Oxman]

Cannot unsee......

[rashie]

Nothing beats this when it comes to toilet use in gaming

[DaemionMoadrin]

This distinction between romance and sex doesn't really exist, unless it's being reduced to perfunctory humping like a pair of sea turtles.

 

Couldn't find sea turtles... but tortoises sound funny, too:

 

[Chealec]

I hope you realise I've had to pour another large portion of JD Tennessee Honey to fully appreciate these above... I'll be smashed before dinner at this rate!

 

 

... but where the hell is Deadpool putting his phone!?! O_o

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope you realise I've had to pour another large portion of JD Tennessee Honey to fully appreciate these above... I'll be smashed before dinner at this rate!

 

 

... but where the hell is Deadpool putting his phone!?! O_o

Since he knows he is in a comic book, he knows it can just pop into and out of existence from thin air at will. 

[BloodySpirit]

I see that this thread turned weird very fast.

[Andres Hendrix]

It strikes me as a little disturbing that a sex scene is dropped in the same idea as watching someone take a p*ss. To say that it has little to do with the story is not really accurate either, since character focus makes these things part of the protagonist's personal story. That it's not tied directly to the main plot isn't really important; it's supposed to be an important part of the character's life, shared with another character that s/he presumably cares for a great deal. Of course, if the game allows for casual sex as well, then fine. It's something the player has to actively engage in anyway and it does still build the character the way they see fit. Of course, the typical BioWare game has very little actual sex going on anyway. It's usually just dialogue, a few seconds in between, and then more dialogue.

This distinction between romance and sex doesn't really exist, unless it's being reduced to perfunctory humping like a pair of sea turtles. Like, can anyone honestly claim that the scene with nude inquisitor and Cassandra isn't romantic, despite the dialogue shared between them?

Sex and love are definitely linked and they are two very important aspects of humanity; we could even make the distinction between making love (highly emotional) and just sex (desire and pleasure). They are important for biological reasons (the conception of our children) and because of the strong emotional bonds that they create. Because of their importance, I find it very strange that people would be repulsed by them, especially the former. It is even stranger when I think of these depictions as seen in Bioware games, which usually has sex that is only implied, and the scenes show next to nothing. Not to mention the scenes can be skiped. I would think some sort of trauma, or perhaps religious restrictions would be the cause of the repulsion.  If someone has a longstanding trauma that can be triggered by these scenes, or if they have other psychological problems, they should be staying away from such mediums as mature games and movies, until they work out their problems. If the so called repulsion is based on religious grounds, then tough cookies, devlopers don't have to give special favor to such beliefs.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sex and love are definitely linked and they are two very important aspects of humanity; we could even make the distinction between making love (highly emotional) and just sex (desire and pleasure). They are important for biological reasons (the conception of our children) and because of the strong emotional bonds that they create. Because of their importance, I find it very strange that people would be repulsed by them, especially the former. It is even stranger when I think of these depictions as seen in Bioware games, which usually has sex that is only implied, and the scenes show next to nothing. Not to mention the scenes can be skiped. I would think some sort of trauma, or perhaps religious restrictions would be the cause of the repulsion.  If someone has a longstanding trauma that can be triggered by these scenes, or if they have other psychological problems, they should be staying away from such mediums as mature games and movies, until they work out their problems. If the so called repulsion is based on religious grounds, then tough cookies, devlopers don't have to give special favor to such beliefs.

Or it's biological, like for example the person being asexual or demisexual.