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[Elhanan]

And I thought the scene with Cass was absolutely fine. Now what?

Add a Toggle, or allow the Player to escape.

[Chealec]

I've a feeling this may come in handy should this thread progress much further:

 

 

Please feel free to simply quote this post in future to save time

 

Knew this would come in handy!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair - sex is not that serious

It is serious to many people.

[Elhanan]

It is serious to many people.

Or is not something to be trivialized.

[Han Shot First]

DAI had it like this:

 

Romance with a mandatory sex scene that cannot be skipped: Cassandra, Cullen, The Iron Bull

Romance with an optional sex scene that can be skipped: Dorian, Rainier, Sera

Romance with the level of physical intimacy left ambiguous: Josephine, Solas

 

Hopefully MEA does a similar thing, rather than in past games like ME2 or ME3 where the sex scenes are always mandatory. 

 

As much as I like Josephine, I'd rather Bioware not create another LI whose level of involvement with the PC is left to head canon. Real life relationships aren't that ambiguous, so why should the relationships of fictional characters be ambiguous? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As much as I like Josephine, I'd rather Bioware not create another LI whose level of involvement with the PC is left to head canon. Real life relationships aren't that ambiguous, so why should the relationships of fictional characters be ambiguous? 

Because then more players can have the kind of relationship they want, and it leaves more resources to flush out other aspects of the relationship. 

[Elhanan]

As much as I like Josephine, I'd rather Bioware not create another LI whose level of involvement with the PC is left to head canon. Real life relationships aren't that ambiguous, so why should the relationships of fictional characters be ambiguous?

We must have dated very different women....

[Iakus]

As much as I like Josephine, I'd rather Bioware not create another LI whose level of involvement with the PC is left to head canon. Real life relationships aren't that ambiguous, so why should the relationships of fictional characters be ambiguous? 

Because they're...fictional...? 

 

Many different people would have different ideas as to what direction their relationship would go, after all.

[Iakus]

Or - better still - try to avoid those games that will likely leave you wanting to 'escape' (and complain about) the mammary ducts.

Is being able to skip past a scene some people would find uncomfortable (something previous Bioware games have in fact allowed for, including the revered Mass Effect 1 scene) really that big a deal to you?

[Fandango]

Is being able to skip past a scene some people would find uncomfortable (something previous Bioware games have in fact allowed for, including the revered Mass Effect 1 scene) really that big a deal to you?

I could just pre-empt that pointless question from my side and ask whether it's such a big deal to be asking people to avoid those things that will likely offend them?

[Elhanan]

I could just pre-empt that pointless question from my side and ask you whether it's a big deal to ask gamers to avoid those games that will likely offend them?

Because a vast majority of the content in Bioware games is generally worth playing. Tis more successful to remove the offending content and keep the remaining material.

[Iakus]

I could just pre-empt that pointless question from my side and ask you whether it's such a big deal to ask gamers to avoid those games that will likely offend them?

It kinda is.  Since you're essentially telling fans to go away, rather than provide feedback into what could make a game more fun for them.

 

The more so given what I pointed out was in fact a feature Bioware had provided in the past.

[Chealec]

It is serious to many people.

 

Or is not something to be trivialized.

 

 

... it's not trivial but it's certainly not serious - unless you're cheating which is an whole other ball game.

 

It's fun, it's a bonding experience (and I don't mean that in a BDSM sense ... necessarily), it's sweaty, squelchy and a little ridiculous whilst being thoroughly life-affirming - you shouldn't take it so seriously... sure, when I was a teenager it was deadly serious, full of unrealistic expectations and youthful stupidity. I am so very, very past that now.

 

I've known swingers and gay clubbers (who'd nip off to the toilet for a quickie), lesbians and even a rent boy - none in a biblical sense mind, I've been utterly faithful and devoted to one person for nearly 20 years now (well, OK 18 years next month) - Wikkans and Christians and none of them seem to have any particular hang-ups about it... any of my friends are willing to swap anecdotes around.

 

If you can't see the funny in it, if it's something that requires some sort of deep moral hand-wringing to absolve yourself of misplaced feelings of guilt or some other such nonsense then... well, you have my pity. Sex itself isn't that big a deal ... the emotional ties of a committed relationship however, are.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Because a vast majority of the content in Bioware games is generally worth playing. Tis more successful to remove the offending content and keep the remaining material.

 

Successful? I doubt that.

 

Remove it? Censorship.

 

Offending content? Offending to whom? Mature gamers?

[In Exile]

We must have dated very different women....

 

Well, the relationship isn't ambigious to you. I'd hope you knew if you had sex with someone.

 

The kind of ambiguity Han is talking about is only possible in a storytelling medium where we cut away from the lead's POV.

[In Exile]

Is being able to skip past a scene some people would find uncomfortable (something previous Bioware games have in fact allowed for, including the revered Mass Effect 1 scene) really that big a deal to you?

 

It is a big deal. Because Bioware games are story and character driven. To skip over them, we're either denying story content to the people who want to skip over them, or not using the scene to actually showcase characters (e.g. Cassandra's naked chat with the Inquisitor). This is a legitimate debate about storytelling choices. DAOs approach is silly specifically because it's just an animated scene about sex. DA:I doesn't strictly speaking ever show sex, just the lead up. 

[Elhanan]

It is a big deal. Because Bioware games are story and character driven. To skip over them, we're either denying story content to the people who want to skip over them, or not using the scene to actually showcase characters (e.g. Cassandra's naked chat with the Inquisitor). This is a legitimate debate about storytelling choices. DAOs approach is silly specifically because it's just an animated scene about sex. DA:I doesn't strictly speaking ever show sex, just the lead up.

Such scenes are another reason why I prefer fewer cinematics, as it is supposed to be about RP; not films that tell the story.

[Iakus]

It is a big deal. Because Bioware games are story and character driven. To skip over them, we're either denying story content to the people who want to skip over them, or not using the scene to actually showcase characters (e.g. Cassandra's naked chat with the Inquisitor). 

If a player chooses to skip over a scene, they are clearly okay with not seeing that particular content.

 

And seriously, would Cassandra's chat have been any different if it was afterwards, and she was clothed?

 

 

This is a legitimate debate about storytelling choices. DAOs approach is silly specifically because it's just an animated scene about sex. DA:I doesn't strictly speaking ever show sex, just the lead up.

 

Was ME1's approach silly?  It seems to be held of as a poster child of how sex scenes should work.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Was ME1's approach silly?  It seems to be held of as a poster child of how sex scenes should work.

 

Says who?

[AlanC9]

I thought DA:O's scene was only silly because of the underwear.

[AlanC9]

If a player chooses to skip over a scene, they are clearly okay with not seeing that particular content.

How does the player have enough information to make that choice, anyway? You can't watch it and then skip it.

[FKA_Servo]

Says who?

 

Well, I'm on board with that.

 

I'm not saying it's necessarily the best, but it was the best until Inquisition, in my mind.

[DaemionMoadrin]

New toggle idea: Anytime violence, profanity or nudity would be shown on the player's screen, the screen goes black and the sound turns off. It'll get switched back on once the scene is over. That's not too hard to implement and would make everyone happy.

 

Right?

[Iakus]

Says who?

 

Says pretty much everyone with an aversion to underwear, it seems.

How does the player have enough information to make that choice, anyway? You can't watch it and then skip it.

Well, they'll have to do some research.  And possibly have quick reflexes.  It's not a perfect solution, but I do think it's the best compromise.