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I can live with the stain on my record; have permanent vertigo, use a walker, do not drive, and am recovering from cancer treatments. I also type using two fingers, and do not have the required skills to pursue this more than to simply give encouragement to others.

So, Go Team Toggle! :D

 

How do you even play games?


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I can live with the stain on my record; have permanent vertigo, use a walker, do not drive, and am recovering from cancer treatments. I also type using two fingers, and do not have the required skills to pursue this more than to simply give encouragement to others.

So, Go Team Toggle! :D

I'm wondering about that. I've been here for a while and I know quite a few people lying about their conditions and who they are, and you suddenly mentioned it out of nowhere after over 80 pages sound very suspicious. There is also the fact that you block and ignore people you don't want to listen to even when they're just making sound argument on top of playing the victims like saying you used to people ignoring you. It sounds like you're seeking sympathy by making up a story. Also, what you mention have no relation with what at hand. Let's just say this happen to you, that doesn't prevent you from making petition, promote it with social media like twitter, campaign and sending letters or stuffs to Bioware.



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I'm wondering about that. I've been here for a while and I know quite a few people lying about their conditions and who they are, and you suddenly mentioned it out of nowhere after over 80 pages sound very suspicious. There is also the fact that you block and ignore people you don't want to listen to even when they're just making sound argument on top of playing the victims like saying you used to people ignoring you. It sounds like you're seeking sympathy by making up a story. Also, what you mention have no relation with what at hand. Let's just say this happen to you, that doesn't prevent you from making petition, promote it with social media like twitter, campaign and sending letters or stuffs to Bioware.


Flak if I do or do not mention it. But I had the stroke in 2011, and have been battling cancer for several months; ask DM for confirmation. See here:

http://forum.bioware...-ever/?hl=worstchristmas

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I'm wondering about that. I've been here for a while and I know quite a few people lying about their conditions and who they are, and you suddenly mentioned it out of nowhere after over 80 pages sound very suspicious. There is also the fact that you block and ignore people you don't want to listen to even when they're just making sound argument on top of playing the victims like saying you used to people ignoring you. It sounds like you're seeking sympathy by making up a story. Also, what you mention have no relation with what at hand. Let's just say this happen to you, that doesn't prevent you from making petition, promote it with social media like twitter, campaign and sending letters or stuffs to Bioware.

 

No, he mentioned the cancer thing already around christmas and we've know that he spends most of his time at home in front of the computer. He did add a few more details just now that make it difficult to believe he ever managed to play through the ME trilogy if all of it was true.


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No, he mentioned the cancer thing already around christmas and we've know that he spends most of his time at home in front of the computer. He did a few more details just now that make it difficult to believe he ever managed to play through the ME trilogy if all of it was true.


After the stroke, I utilized DA2, the ME series, SWTOR, and Skyrim to aid in reflex rehab. Also a main reason why I prefer Pause functionality, as well as the Tac-Cam. Am certain I have mentioned this before in other threads.

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No, he mentioned the cancer thing already around christmas and we've know that he spends most of his time at home in front of the computer. He did a few more details just now that make it difficult to believe he ever managed to play through the ME trilogy if all of it was true.

But those who create a persona on the internet would stick to a story they create, like someone may pretend to be female. He types awfully fast for someone who can only use 2 fingers to type. Anyway, there is no way to check the validity of this, so it's not worth pursuing. I still don't see any reason why it would stop someone from making a petition, campaign, and bring more attention to this feature. They all could be done in front of the laptop. Unless he doesn't think it's worth the effort. Things aren't just happen because someone wanted it to, it happens because someone makes it happen. Sitting and demanding without putting in the effort is just self entitlement. 


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After the stroke, I utilized DA2, the ME series, SWTOR, and Skyrim to aid in reflex rehab. Also a main reason why I prefer Pause functionality, as well as the Tac-Cam. Am certain I have mentioned this before in other threads.

 

Yes, you did. I just can't imagine how you actually play through the combat parts of ME1-3 when you can barely type. It's not like the pause in those games actually allows you to move, take cover or dodge. I think the most you can do is aim and use powers.

 

Just saying, this makes it even weirder that you argued against improvements for the PC controls of DA:I. "It's fine for me, everyone who's having problems must be doing it wrong."



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Yes, you did. I just can't imagine how you actually play through the combat parts of ME1-3 when you can barely type. It's not like the pause in those games actually allows you to move, take cover or dodge. I think the most you can do is aim and use powers.
 
Just saying, this makes it even weirder that you argued against improvements for the PC controls of DA:I. "It's fine for me, everyone who's having problems must be doing it wrong."


Is actually why I am perplexed, as I can do it; most should be able to play, too. But this is a main factor why I do not play TW3, and the other is excessive ESRB content. Maybe if they had a Toggle....

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Yes, you did. I just can't imagine how you actually play through the combat parts of ME1-3 when you can barely type. It's not like the pause in those games actually allows you to move, take cover or dodge. I think the most you can do is aim and use powers.

 

Just saying, this makes it even weirder that you argued against improvements for the PC controls of DA:I. "It's fine for me, everyone who's having problems must be doing it wrong."

 

To be fair, have you ever played Mass Effect on the easiest difficulty setting? I haven't - I'm currently rolling through the trilogy in Insanity mode again and, apart from the odd fight, it's actually much easier than I remember. Two fingers? I think you could probably clear the game on easiest difficulty whilst being literally blind drunk ... maybe even unconscious :)


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Gotcha.

I don't have a problem with skippable cutscenes per se - really, all cutscenes should be skippable - but I still don't see how the player would know to skip them before seeing them. I also wouldn't want the writers to have to think about the experience that the skippers are having.

 

Keep in mind too: even before a small amount of side boob, etc, you can figure out pretty quickly where a scene is going. Sure, you can't unsee what you've seen, but you can still skip over the rest once you know what's going on.



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To be fair, have you ever played Mass Effect on the easiest difficulty setting? I haven't - I'm currently rolling through the trilogy in Insanity mode again and, apart from the odd fight, it's actually much easier than I remember. Two fingers? I think you could probably clear the game on easiest difficulty whilst being literally blind drunk ... maybe even unconscious :)


I play on Insanity and Nightmare, except for DA2 and Skyrim, as I dislike "Buff the opponents; Nerf the PC" type selections.
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To be fair, have you ever played Mass Effect on the easiest difficulty setting? I haven't - I'm currently rolling through the trilogy in Insanity mode again and, apart from the odd fight, it's actually much easier than I remember. Two fingers? I think you could probably clear the game on easiest difficulty whilst being literally blind drunk ... maybe even unconscious :)

 

There was actually somebody on the ME3 MP forums who solo'd gold as a quadriplegic.

 

but yeah, Insanity in Mass Effect(especially ME3) wasn't really all that difficult. Singularity in the first game basically clears entire rooms for you.


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There was actually somebody on the ME3 MP forums who solo'd gold as a quadriplegic.

 

but yeah, Insanity in Mass Effect(especially ME3) wasn't really all that difficult. Singularity in the first game basically clears entire rooms for you.

 

Yeah, I remember that ... I can fail to solo gold even when I'm sober and (nominally) physically fit. O_o

 

ME2, playing as a Sentinel (with Reave as the bonus) ... take Mordin and Jack and you've basically got every angle covered; and Tech Armour makes you pretty tanky - I've been meleeing Varren to death for s***s and giggles.


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The contextual use of taboo language in the Jack Character arc was certainly not gratuitous. The horrors and injustices involved in her story should more than compensate for the economical use of taboo language in that script. It is more troubling to think that a human being would have a more adverse reaction to a less than 10  words, than to the context of children being kidnapped, tortured and killed as a form of sadistic scientific experiment.

 

 

This in essence is my thought. I also don't feel like (for the most part) language or nudity was out of context in any of their games and certainly not enough for me to feel I need to comment about it. Where gore is concerned - you're playing a protagonist who is fighting and killing to be able to complete the story objective, if seeing blood is offensive then this isn't the genre for you.



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Is actually why I am perplexed, as I can do it; most should be able to play, too. But this is a main factor why I do not play TW3, and the other is excessive ESRB content. Maybe if they had a Toggle....

 

Witcher is a deeply European feeling game I think - the buildings, the scenery, the music, dry humour, boozing, shagging and yes, the language ... I still smile at the Brummie troops' accents (those trebuchets are...) - people do actually sound like that where I live... and they often swear more. Even the casual racism I'm sorry to say (though it's elves, dwarves and Witchers in the Witcher), number of times I've heard "I've got nothing against X, Y or Z but..." followed by a mind-bogglingly racist, sexist or homophobic comment from someone who doesn't think they're being racist, sexist or... yeah - there are many things about The Witcher that feel authentically "old world" to me as someone who lives in the UK and has travelled around Europe a bit (France, Germany and the Netherlands anyway - not made it to Poland where CDPR are from yet). The Empire of Nilfgard even feels like a comment on "Russian Imperialism" - you have to remember that Poland was part of the Warsaw pact until only about 25 years ago.

 

The gameplay is different too - far more twitchy especially in TW3 where I think they've pretty much nailed fluid swordplay; it plays more like a hack 'n' slash FPS than any of BioWare's games which still carry the Neverwinter Nights heritage to some extent.

 

Ostensibly it might seem similar to say Dragon Age being a swords and sorcery hack 'n' slash game - but there's something fundamentally a shade darker, a shade more cynical and self-deprecating, a shade more, well, European about the Witcher and if they were to curtail that it would lose something for me... that's how I feel about it anyway.


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There was actually somebody on the ME3 MP forums who solo'd gold as a quadriplegic.

 

but yeah, Insanity in Mass Effect(especially ME3) wasn't really all that difficult. Singularity in the first game basically clears entire rooms for you.

 

 

Yeah, I remember that ... I can fail to solo gold even when I'm sober and (nominally) physically fit. O_o

 

ME2, playing as a Sentinel (with Reave as the bonus) ... take Mordin and Jack and you've basically got every angle covered; and Tech Armour makes you pretty tanky - I've been meleeing Varren to death for s***s and giggles.

 

I remember that guy, pretty ****** crazy he was able to play let alone solo! Pretty awesome imo.

 


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For me, the best form of dealing with taboo language was Firefly's use of Chinese curses. This thread is so much like having a bit of a Gun HOE-tze bee DIO-se some of the time


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Sorry, I still can't shake off the inherent... hypocrisy? Cowardice? Of taking issue with the mature content of a game that's rated accordingly, play it anyway, and then ask everyone else to go out of their way so you can play the game without feeling bad because of your particular hangups even when they obviously weren't all that important to you in the first place since you were more than willing to set them aside to play the game the first time around.


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Sorry, I still can't shake off the inherent... hypocrisy? Cowardice? Of taking issue with the mature content of a game that's rated accordingly, play it anyway, and then ask everyone else to go out of their way so you can play the game without feeling bad because of your particular hangups even when they obviously weren't all that important to you in the first place since you were more than willing to set them aside to play the game the first time around.


Because a game is labeled Mature does not mean all the content within is mature. And it does not mean that all the content is accepted at face value. These forums are full of examples, I assure everyone. Be it mechanics, settings, story, romances, etc, folks will not agree on it all.

Personally, do not wish to hear obscenities, so a way to remove them from my content is an idea I can support. Others that want more Quickslots; support them, too. And if folks do not wish to support this idea, am OK with that, but find it a bit myopic for those that argue against it simply because others want it.
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Because a game is labeled Mature does not mean all the content within is mature. And it does not mean that all the content is accepted at face value. These forums are full of examples, I assure everyone. Be it mechanics, settings, story, romances, etc, folks will not agree on it all.

Personally, do not wish to hear obscenities, so a way to remove them from my content is an idea I can support. Others that want more Quickslots; support them, too. And if folks do not wish to support this idea, am OK with that, but find it a bit myopic for those that argue against it simply because others want it.

Au contraire, I argue against it because it is a silly idea.

 

You're asking Bioware to spend resources in a feature you have yet to prove has a significant demand and that is likely to negatively impact storytelling. No, not all the content is mature, but the label already tells you to expect at least some mature content. Complaining out it after the fact is what looks myopic to me. It's like seeing a fence with a sign that reads "WARNING! DANGEROUS DOG!" then suing the owner because you had to run from a homicidal labrador while trespassing on private property. If you don't want to experience mature content, it is as easy as not playing a game that is labeled as such.



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Au contraire, I argue against it because it is a silly idea.
 
You're asking Bioware to spend resources in a feature you have yet to prove has a significant demand and that is likely to negatively impact storytelling. No, not all the content is mature, but the label already tells you to expect at least some mature content. Complaining out it after the fact is what looks myopic to me. It's like seeing a fence with a sign that reads "WARNING! DANGEROUS DOG!" then suing the owner because you had to run from a homicidal labrador while trespassing on private property. If you don't want to experience mature content, it is as easy as not playing a game that is labeled as such.


Am content with a mature dialogue of the topics of war, rape, sex, romance, etc; do not wish to see it illustrated. Am good with witty banter, and the fine writing of the vast majority of Bioware titles, but do not require profanity, esp when it breaks character or lore.

Prefer to include those asterisks previously mentioned, and let intelligent Players gather the meaning themselves.
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Because a game is labeled Mature does not mean all the content within is mature. And it does not mean that all the content is accepted at face value. These forums are full of examples, I assure everyone. Be it mechanics, settings, story, romances, etc, folks will not agree on it all.

Personally, do not wish to hear obscenities, so a way to remove them from my content is an idea I can support. Others that want more Quickslots; support them, too. And if folks do not wish to support this idea, am OK with that, but find it a bit myopic for those that argue against it simply because others want it.

 

I was with you until the last sentence.

 

Not only are you completely ignoring a ton of good arguments speaking against the feasibility of the idea, you're also a hypocrite. You argued against better PC controls when BioWare themselves acknowledge that an issue exists and they were looking for a solution. What was your reason then? Were you simply arguing because others wanted it?


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I would argue that using asterisks is an intelligent solution for the developer of a mature rated game to consider using. This convention was a feature of comic books and has long been a subject of ridicule. It's worse than putting nipples on a bat suit and reminiscent of the mentality in the campish 1960's version of the franchise.



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I was with you until the last sentence.
 
Not only are you completely ignoring a ton of good arguments speaking against the feasibility of the idea, you're also a hypocrite. You argued against better PC controls when BioWare themselves acknowledge that an issue exists and they were looking for a solution. What was your reason then? Were you simply arguing because others wanted it?


Was not against Bioware patching problems; was defending the notion that some of those with issues could not play the game. Some folks have bugs & glitches, and needed help. But some were saying that the basic mechanics were unplayable, and I offered myself as evidence that was unlikely.

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I would argue that using asterisks is an intelligent solution for the developer of a mature rated game to consider using. This convention was a feature of comic books and has long been a subject of ridicule. It's worse than putting nipples on a bat suit and reminiscent of the mentality in the campish 1960's version of the franchise.

But is it as bad as a Bat Credit Card?  :P


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