The OP isn't talking about story content though. it's about 1) gore 2) language and 3) nudity.
You can have a mature, even dark story without going overboard on these things.
Language? Nudity? Where in ME has either occurred? The closest we got to being nude was underwear. And I don't remember one curse in any of the games?
Now gore.is mild. Is the OP concerned what might be added? ME was never about gore or even the fighting. It's about characters.
Its been done in the past.
Hell why not? So long as its optional I don't care.
This confuses me. I can't think of a M/18+ game that had toggles for gore and nudity and language. Particularly for BioWare. The persistent gore toggle did not stop the combat itself from being bloody. It merely turns off the blood spatter in cutscenes. Also, they have never censored the rare times that the language has gotten much above PG-13 in a BioWare game. It's not people go around dropping the F-bomb or even the S-bomb in most BioWare games. A few characters do (Iron Bull, Varric's personal quest, a comment by the Inquisitor during Vivienne's personal quest, Jack and Aria all come to mind,) but it isn't used often. Finally, other than some breasts in DA:I, a couple of shots of man-butt and a lot of sideboob/butt in ME, there isn't a lot of nudity in the games. It's not like it's full frontal, which I understand can make some people uncomfortable.
May I please get an example of an M/18+ rated game that has all of those toggles in place? I've looked and I've found nothing of the sort.
I'm not trying to dismiss the OP's request. Part of the reason why I haven't contributed much to this thread is while I can see where the OP might be coming from, I completely disagree. I just don't think it's worth the time and effort for a series of toggles that would affect cost and development time. But hey, no harm in asking and I'm not going to flame the person for it. 
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I just realized I never properly abandoned this thread. Don't mind me, just finishing my business here.:
When I realized this dino-man had pulled me through some mystical time-hole back to 2012, and had me actually posting on the Bioware forums again, I quietly banished myself back to the sub-reddit from whence I had come. Giving credit where credit is due though, I do appreciate the topical and wholly visual way you have chosen to represent your exit from said thread.
Language? Nudity? Where in ME has either occurred? The closest we got to being nude was underwear. And I don't remember one curse in any of the games?
Now gore.is mild. Is the OP concerned what might be added? ME was never about gore or even the fighting. It's about characters.
Jack swears a lot in ME2. There were a few other cases as well. There is gore with headshots and certain weapons. Banshees could be considered nudity I guess and there was the infamous crotch of EDI although I presume that was not intended to be in the game.
I'm still trying to figure out what brought this topic on. I mean, has BW ever released a game with "mature" content? It's all been watered down emotional (sometimes) character development. The closest we got to anything physical was Miranda's (in a suit) butt-shots. And don't remind me of the love scenes, rolling around in underwear. Like watching a bunch of 12 year-old's in summer camp.
And trust me, more than once I wanted my Shepard to yell, "You stupid b*tch!" or " Drop dead M*therf*cker!".
This confuses me. I can't think of a M/18+ game that had toggles for gore and nudity and language. Particularly for BioWare. The persistent gore toggle did not stop the combat itself from being bloody. It merely turns off the blood spatter in cutscenes. Also, they have never censored the rare times that the language has gotten much above PG-13 in a BioWare game. It's not people go around dropping the F-bomb or even the S-bomb in most BioWare games. A few characters do (Iron Bull, Varric's personal quest, a comment by the Inquisitor during Vivienne's personal quest and Aria all come to mind,) but it isn't used often. Finally, other than some breasts in DA:I, a couple of shots of man-butt and a lot of sideboob/butt in ME, there isn't a lot of nudity in the games. It's not like it's full frontal, which I understand can make some people uncomfortable.
May I please get an example of an M/18+ rated game that has all of those toggles in place? I've looked and I've found nothing of the sort.
I'm not trying to dismiss the OP's request. Part of the reason why I haven't contributed much to this thread is while I can see where the OP might be coming from, I completely disagree. I just don't think it's worth the time and effort for a series of toggles that would affect cost and development time. But hey, no harm in asking and I'm not going to flame the person for it.
Brutal Legend and Modern Warfare 2 had something similar to it.
the No Russian mission you got to remember was optional for players, so the whole sequence, because of the subject matter, had a prompt to it.
Brutal Legend gave you the ability of censor the violence, gore and cursing, instead making it clean and cartoonish with bleeps, or full on R if you please.
So it's been done. Nudity, not so sure but that just would have censor bars to it I presume. So I see no problem with the option, which is the key word here.
This is a reasonable request and in no way censorship. Having the option to relax graphic content and skip optional romance/nudity along with clear warnings of of included content will, I think, extend the appeal of such games to a wider audience. The expletives that know nothing about games can't complain about violence and nudity if they have the option to avoid it at the very beginning and after reading clear warnings.
He wants ME:A to be like MK1 on the SNES.
@Links Fair enough. I did play Brutal Legend. Too bad it didn't do very well. 
However, there is some crucial differences.
1) The art style. It's easier to make a game "clean" when the graphics are already cartoony in the first place.
2) It was meant to appeal to a wider audience, something that metalheads could share with their kids. ME and DA aren't meant for family bonding, though it can be.
3) There was no real adult themes in that game. Meaning that they didn't tackle such topics as rape, cannibalism, parallels to real world politics in any sort of serious way and other themes that merit a M rating. Remember, it isn't just the gore or the nudity or the language that can really affect a rating. Often times, adult themes are the biggest reason.
4) Brutal Legend doesn't have nearly the high level of cutscenes that DA and ME games do. I can't imagine the work that would take to rewrite two different kinds of code for a game like ME:A.
While I concede that it has been done before by one game, Brutal Legend's style can work with all of those toggles. A BioWare game is a whole different and much more expensive beast. Folks complained when DA:I got pushed back by 6 weeks last year. This would make the cost shoot through the roof.
Besides, talk about a slippery slope.
Jack swears a lot in ME2. There were a few other cases as well. There is gore with headshots and certain weapons. Banshees could be considered nudity I guess and there was the infamous crotch of EDI.
Jack! Ok I forgot about her. Man, if that offends anyone then the Disney Game center is that way. LOL. I mean, really.. ever watch ANY cable show?
Frankly I don't want BW wasting valuable time (when they should be working on a decent Keyboard/Mouse UI) on a baby filter. I would agree (maybe) if we were playing a game like Fallout NV with the Russell mod (which is VERY adult) or Skyrim with the Animated Prostitution mod. But then again, the player installs those mods. They aren't part of the base game.
BW games have never been for "mature" audiences. I always figured they had the "M" label to sell more games.
Calling it a "baby" filter is a little harsh, don't you think? I mean, I'm not a fan of the idea either, but that was uncalled for.
@Links Fair enough. I did play Brutal Legend. Too bad it didn't do very well.
However, there is some crucial differences.
1) The artstyle. It's easier to make a game "clean" when the graphics are already cartoony in the first place.
2) It was meant to appeal to a wider audience, something that metalheads could share with their kids. ME and DA aren't meant for family bonding, though it can be.
3) There was no real adult themes in that game. Meaning that they didn't tackle such topics as rape, cannibalism, parallels to real world politics in any sort of serious way.
4) Brutal Legend doesn't have nearly the high level of cutscenes that DA and ME games do. I can't imagine the work that would take to rewrite two different kinds of code for a game like ME:A.
While I concede that it has been done before by one game, Brutal Legend's style can work with all of those toggles. A BioWare game is a whole different and much more expensive beast. Folks complained when DA:I got pushed back by 6 weeks last year. This would make the cost shoot through the roof.
Besides, talk about a slippery slope.
I would take some of that stuff you say to task. Considering one of the crucial storylines in Brutal Legend literally has a character commit suicide over being dumped and shunned, after a dirty trick by sado-masochist devils...I would call that more adult than people give it credit.
We can debate art style and what not, but that really is inconsequential to the bigger point; it has been done before.
Not every scene has foul language or nudity in it, it would likely be a handful that would go through the censorship treatment like that. And the blood toggle as we saw is fairly easy.
I don't see it as a slippy slope so long as it doesn't replace the content. That is a key difference if you ask me.
I would take some of that stuff you say to task. Considering one of the crucial storylines in Brutal Legend literally has a character commit suicide over being dumped and shunned, after a dirty trick by sado-masochist devils...I would call that more adult than people give it credit.
We can debate art style and what not, but that really is inconsequential to the bigger point; it has been done before.
Not every scene has foul language or nudity in it, it would likely be a handful that would go through the censorship treatment like that. And the blood toggle as we saw is fairly easy.
I don't see it as a slippy slope so long as it doesn't replace the content. That is a key difference if you ask me.
I still don't see it as the same level. Yes, that's the main plot, but it isn't given that much focus. The game is far more centered around parody and satire of the metal culture. ME and DA, while they have some funny moments, are not intended as parody or satire. YMMV of course, but I can see where you're coming from.
I think the art style makes all the difference. Ask John Elper, head of animation for DA. He can tell you that the more grand the graphics get, the more difficult for these kinds of scenes. In order to make every scene without any sort of gore or language or nudity (depending upon the context of course,) that would involve redoing the scene for the toggles.
So, what do you suggest for the language filter? Two different recordings of the script? That would take awhile and would be expensive. Bleeps? That would make it humorous many times (have you seen Pulp Fiction or Goodfellas edited?) and there are situations where that shouldn't be the case.
The bolded part made me lift an eyebrow. What's next though? If it's all optional content, why not other toggles? I mean, it's optional and if it makes some people uncomfortable, then other requests are validated. I can think of one toggle that some folks would insist on, and there would be no reason for them not to at that point. What's to stop these requests from really flying off the deep end?
I stand by what I said. I'm not going to flame the OP for their request. Some of the comments towards them have been flat out rude and frankly, the person is trying to be civil. I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong here, including me. I am against the idea, but I'm not against those that support the idea. To each their own.
I'm not going stress too much about it. It's a pretty summer night and I'm buying my house tomorrow. My dogs are healthy, the stars are out, and I've been enjoying these conversations. Even disagreeing has been fun.
@Links Fair enough. I did play Brutal Legend. Too bad it didn't do very well.
However, there is some crucial differences.
1) The artstyle. It's easier to make a game "clean" when the graphics are already cartoony in the first place.
2) It was meant to appeal to a wider audience, something that metalheads could share with their kids. ME and DA aren't meant for family bonding, though it can be.
3) There was no real adult themes in that game. Meaning that they didn't tackle such topics as rape, cannibalism, parallels to real world politics in any sort of serious way.
4) Brutal Legend doesn't have nearly the high level of cutscenes that DA and ME games do. I can't imagine the work that would take to rewrite two different kinds of code for a game like ME:A.
While I concede that it has been done before by one game, Brutal Legend's style can work with all of those toggles. A BioWare game is a whole different and much more expensive beast. Folks complained when DA:I got pushed back by 6 weeks last year. This would make the cost shoot through the roof.
Besides, talk about a slippery slope.
I am not too worried for BioWare will make changes, but with how they responded to the "same-sex filter" people wanted with Dragon Age: Inquisition I doubt they will go to the level the OP is going for since a lot of it is based on what a player chooses and not mandatory for the game to progress.
I am not too worried for BioWare will make changes, but with how they responded to the "same-sex filter" people wanted with Dragon Age: Inquisition I doubt they will go to the level the OP is going for since a lot of it is based on what a player chooses and not mandatory for the game to progress.
Playing devil's advocate here: The nudity for the sake of being sexy is avoidable, especially outside of romances. The gore is a little less so, but the language is all over the place. It doesn't bother me, since I find it quite tame. Still, not a lot of it is optional outside of the mild nudity.
This doesn't change my personal views, but I'm trying to see where some folks including the OP might be coming from. Also, I agree with you.
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I think we all agree, if the language could be done tastefully. No need to have someone to swear like that. Lol
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It's possible to do both. In real life I cuss like a sailor a lot. The more tired/and or sick I am, the more I'm likely to say Aria's favorite word. However, I still exercise the same vocabulary as I do online along with it. In fact, it's more expansive because I don't have to sweat a spell check or grammar. 
Some of my heroes are those that are masters of that. George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Christopher Tidus, Dennis Leary and Robin Williams are among those that balance profanity and intelligence in their speech. I don't think curse words are always a shortcut due to a lack of proper grammar or vocabulary. I personally think a bit of profanity for emphasis is not only a more natural form of speech, it certainly fits a military setting.
Marines (all military branches, but Marines are the best/worst at it,) and engineers can have a mouth that would make even my ex-punk mom blush.
I do understand why that can get very old if overdone. See: Jay from the Kevin Smith movies, or Jack if you try to talk to her after you dump her/she gives you the "girls club" speech.
Fahk that. Give me more f-bombs and exploding heads and gibbed limbs. Don't subtract, add.Just think, when Sidonis says "****!" it held a lot of weight. Have him go "Crap" and it sounds dumbed down. I liked that about ME2.
Brutal Legend and Modern Warfare 2 had something similar to it.
the No Russian mission you got to remember was optional for players, so the whole sequence, because of the subject matter, had a prompt to it.
Brutal Legend gave you the ability of censor the violence, gore and cursing, instead making it clean and cartoonish with bleeps, or full on R if you please.
So it's been done. Nudity, not so sure but that just would have censor bars to it I presume. So I see no problem with the option, which is the key word here.
Brutal Legend did it specifically for comedy, though. Like you said, it made the game cartoonish, which worked there. Might not work so well with a Bioware game.
F*ck, motherf*cker, sh*t, c*nt, b*tch, just turns me off. They are words I never really use, and they make me feel awkward to speak them.
Mass Effect takes place in the future; you think humanity would be a little more mature. At least when speaking.
I am fine with mild language because on occasion I use mild language. Especially if I am frustrated or angry.
Instead of using foul words to get your emotions across, why not give the character an intelligent comeback. I would rather have smart dialogue than foul dialogue.
Personally I see maturity as being able to use these words without making a big deal out of them. They're words that have no more or less power than what we give them.
If you don't want to use the words, that's fine, it's your choice, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I see condemning these words and making a fuss about them, and lambasting their use in any scenario, to be just as immature as throwing them around for shock value.
While we're on the subject of language, I think this video is rather on topic.
The more you know.
@Links Fair enough. I did play Brutal Legend. Too bad it didn't do very well.
I played the game. Never finished it. My favorite part about it was the music especially having Ozzy in the game. LETS GO CRAZY
Marines (all military branches, but Marines are the best/worst at it,) and engineers can have a mouth that would make even my ex-punk mom blush.
I have to say soldiers, including me, got the best that would make anyone crap their pants when it comes to harsh, extremely harsh language.
Depends on what the moment is. There are times when someone saying crap instead of sh*t or freak instead of f*ck just sounds silly and unnatural to me. Strong language conveys strong emotion and emphasis. Over use or use at inappropriate times can ruin a scene, but it's omission can ruin it just as surely.
I've never seen a situation that had more emotion or impact with a swear word than not a swear word. Swear words are not necessary.
I've never seen a situation that had more emotion or impact with a swear word than not a swear word. Swear words are not necessary.
I've seen countless. They are absolutely necessary. There's science backing that up.
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