But then the question I have to ask is: how do they feel about watching someone gun down virtual characters in droves? If they're fine with that, but not fine with a little language, I have to question the priorities at work here.
Not to mention, virtual murder/genocide. This is again the problem with appealing to niche groups.
But much like the children example used in the article, when parents, family, and friends come to visit, the game is not played in front of them for those same reasons. There are other adults that do not care for profanity, nudity, and sex being placed into games after all. Filters would help.
When I've got family over, say my brother, sister-in-law and their kids ... I don't play 'M' rated games in front of them, how is that a problem? How would filters help? There's enough content in most 'M' rated games beyond stuff that can be dealt with with simplistic toggles to make it not appropriate viewing for my 5 year old nephew.
If visiting family/friends don't like it, or are too young for it, turn the game off or play in another room (or, you know, do something else - with them... together).
Anyway, the point I was making was in response to this:
I love all of the mass effect games and I partially agree that bioware should allow this in settings I know that lots of people could care less but there are those out there who love gaming but don't play the really good games because their parents don't like the language. I would love for them to play ME so I would have to agree that they should put these into the settings. This will in turn allow for a wider demographic and this way the can get more people playing these games.
Toggles don't help there at all unless, of course, you're condoning minors playing 'M' rated games that is?
But then the question I have to ask is: how do they feel about watching someone gun down virtual characters in droves? If they're fine with that, but not fine with a little language, I have to question the priorities at work here.
The point I was making was in response to this:
Toggles don't help there at all unless, of course, you're condoning minors playing 'M' rated games that is?
Can I have some winning lottery numbers while you're here?
This isn't about anything but one guy's ego anymore. He's going to buy the game. He just doesn't want to have to wince at the occasional F word. Now I just want more swearing.
And then the other side gives a counter-suggestion as both sides slowly work until they find a mutual compromise. That's how discussions and negotiations work.
Hence the irony of labels such as Mature....
Toggles do seem to help with minors being around the game; hence the articles and parental support seen for such filters. But I personally do not play these games in front of any others (ie; adults or minors) w/o 'proper clearance'.
Yes - they might help in a game like Sunset Overdrive (a comic-book styled shooter) where the only really objectionable content, for anyone over say the age of 10, is the language and splatter - and in that game there are toggles for that stuff.
Filtering the profanity or combat-ketchup is not going to make Doom 3 a game that's suitable for 10 year old's to watch - probably not good chunks of the Mass Effect trilogy either for that matter. If there are kids about, shut the game down, it's not really suitable for them - that's the only acceptable toggle in that instance.
Yes - they might help in a game like Sunset Overdrive (a comic-book styled shooter) where the only really objectionable content, for anyone over say the age of 10, is the language and splatter - and in that game there are toggles for that stuff.
Filtering the profanity or combat-ketchup is not going to make Doom 3 a game that's suitable for 10 year old's to watch - probably not good chunks of the Mass Effect trilogy either for that matter. If there are kids about, shut the game down, it's not really suitable for them - that's the only acceptable toggle in that instance.
Except having the right to play the game in your own doesn't inherently mean a developer needs to accomodate your every desire. The box tells you everything you need to know about the nature of the game. Someone having the right to watch Game of Thrones in their own home doesn't mean HBO has to make the E-friendly version.
Except having the right to play the game in your own doesn't inherently mean a developer needs to accomodate your every desire. The box tells you everything you need to know about the nature of the game. Someone having the right to watch Game of Thrones in their own home doesn't mean HBO has to make the E-friendly version.
The consumer does not need to explain their motives for making requests; mine are different than others, but I still support the idea. If enough folks become vocal and inquire about said features no matter their reasons, then one day we might get them.
A company can simply say "we don't see the profit in such a feature" and that is the end of it as well, which is how I take the responses here as well. Personally if someone is offended by the language and sexuality in a BioWare game I find it surprising they would consider playing it around a child with all the body horror that is in the game as well which to me would be a bigger harm to a child over language which they probably already have more experience with then a parent would really know.
And yet, the article about GoW3 which was apparently written by a parent was aided by the filters. While it may not be a call either of us would make, they do have the right to play the game in their own home. The ESRB are guidelines; not rules for gameplay.
Hopefully after the kids have gone to bed:
But much like the children example used in the article, when parents, family, and friends come to visit, the game is not played in front of them for those same reasons. There are other adults that do not care for profanity, nudity, and sex being placed into games after all. Filters would help.
If a game is rated for M, I usually do not play those games with or in front of anyone who I know could be sensible, but that isn't a problem with the medium as such, I have a WiiU sitting under the TV for games like zelda, smash, mario kart and platforming games etc that are far more kid friendly than my usual fare when gaming with friends or on my own.
That principle applies to more than just gaming really, have seen psychological horror films like the babadook with friends but I wouldn't dare put such a film on if my elders or any kids were nearby.
A company can simply say "we don't see the profit in such a feature" and that is the end of it as well, which is how I take the responses here as well. Personally if someone is offended by the language and sexuality in a BioWare game I find it surprising they would consider playing it around a child with all the body horror that is in the game as well which to me would be a bigger harm to a child over language which they probably already have more experience with then a parent would really know.
How about you go play some sesame street games and stop trying to change what we love about MASS EFFECT
What next, please don't put any blood in Dragon Age 
And that would be the call for the parent. But each case is unique as the Players that purchase games.
As for the company, if they do not see the profit, will need to continue being vocal. As some have noted, this has not been a common topic in the past; will need to be so in the future.
I am pretty sure that EA/BioWare did some sort of analysis on it when it first started to get mentioned unlike what some people tend to think they will examine what people are saying. Since they are publicly traded they can't implement things that will cost the company money with no expectation of return. Unlike Steam who might just write off the loss, EA can't do that for then they might get sued like with the issues around Battlefield 4.
Edit: Who knows maybe one day it will be looked upon something that will generate enough revenue that they can experiment with it, but I am not sure when that day may arrive.
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Basically, I'm asking for:
Language: Maintain it at the level they had it in ME1 or even ME3.
Nudity: Have it so either the person can skip the cutscene without missing anything, and/or have romances where either sex is optional or it is left ambiguous.
Gore: Yes, have the gore toggle from DA implemented into ME. Or even go more like how shooters are if not too straining on resources.
Violence: Have an option for the player to fight in combat without having to kill enemy combatants, most likely through non-lethal ammo and biotic/tech powers.
Why would a significant portion of the fanbase resent the option of non-lethal combat?
I actually do think this is a reasonable list of expectations and requests.
Language - obviously won't bother me, but also I foresee zero chance of a Mass Effect game, or any Bioware game, being clownishly gratuitous with it. Still think it's crucial to the characterization of some, but I also support the ability to refrain from recruiting, as well as flat out kick, companions if I so choose.
Nudity - Again, doesn't bother me broadly, and certainly not to the limited extent it would actually appear. That said, universally unskippable cutscenes are annoying, and a somewhat branching romance path is better for roleplaying and replayability. Plus, it's likely much more "doable" than any sort of toggle/censor bar/rescripting/etc.
Gore - Whatever, sure. Extreme stuff can wig me out, but I once again don't think a Mass Effect game will cross any major lines, honestly. Besides, consensus and evidence suggest that this is the easiest thing to "toggle" anyway.
The only thing I think would not work would be to provide non-lethal gameplay options across the board. There are some games that do do that obviously (I've never played Deus Ex, but doing it in Dishonored was very rewarding), but it wouldn't have been possible in the current trilogy without a massive re-imagining of the story (something it could benefit from but anyway...), and I don't think it would necessarily be believable going forward. Situationally, as in ME1... sure, but I think it would stretch both internal and external credibility if we're able to tranq or talk our way out of every hostile Andromedan encounter.
Some things just need shooting, too.
Basically, I don't want them to compromise their direction or their vision in any way, and I don't want them to burn zots chasing some insipid toggle, BUT I think it's perfectly acceptable to offer players a way to game around the majority of it if they so choose. The Dragon Age games have all done this to varying extent. It results in a more varied game, and I think that's something we all want.
Additionally, though, if the rare bit of meaty exposition necessitates some language or other objectionable content, I would hope everyone is gracious enough to just deal with it.
I am pretty sure that EA/BioWare did some sort of analysis on it when it first started to get mentioned unlike what some people tend to think they will examine what people are saying. Since they are publicly traded they can't implement things that will cost the company money with no expectation of return. Unlike Steam who might just write off the loss, EA can't do that for then they might get sued like with the issues around Battlefield 4.
Seriously? Unnecessarilly putting censorship, even optional, where it doesn't belong counts as progress now? Who exactly are you? Spanish Inquisition?Progress starts somewhere, and it will have a cost. Without it, doubt we would have had the prior Bioware games and the ideas in them.
Seriously? Unnecessarilly putting censorship, even optional, where it doesn't belong counts as progress now? Who exactly are you? Spanish Inquisition?
This whole idea is about as silly as requesting Hasbro to create "M" version of MLP (and somebody probably already did).
... Please understand that I am not advocating censorship, but merely choice. I am a writer myself, and I know I don’t want anyone telling me what is or isn’t appropriate for my own work. Instead of trying to control the content you put in your games, I’m simply asking for the choice to customize my experience for maximum enjoyment. Videogames have the unique providence of being a medium built around individuals. I can already control gaming aspects like difficulty, subtitles, and graphic and auditory settings, so why not what explicit content I see and hear? Choice is a key aspect of Bioware games, it is one of the attributes that truly make your titles stand out, so why not extend that choice further into the real world, embracing players who want to play the games without the explicit aspects? Of course those of us who want to limit our own exposure to explicit content already have a choice: to not play. But I hope you’ll give us a third option: to play without the content we hope to avoid in media....
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the close to 100 pages we've had so far but I can't quite wrap my head around people taking issue with violence and profanity in a mature rated game series where you play the role of a soldier caught up in the events leading to and subsequently fighting through a galactic war. Especially as ME does (in my opinion) a good job of not going overboard in either aspect.
The one thing I suspect even more so than usual that wont happen is non lethal takedowns, as that changes what the core gameplay has always been about which is a lot of cover based shooting with some abilities thrown in. Mass Effect has never been about being able to peacefully solve every situation like Deus Ex.
You could have "non lethal ammo" but in reality what that would be is ammo that uses all the same animations of lethal ammo just without the blood splatter. The non lethal part would basically be flavour text only.
I'm sure it's been mentioned in the close to 100 pages we've had so far but I can't quite wrap my head around people taking issue with violence and profanity in a mature rated game series where you play the role of a soldier caught up in the events leading to and subsequently fighting through a galactic war. Especially as ME does (in my opinion) a good job of not going overboard in either aspect.
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