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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's obvious this person has never been in the military and probably doesn't know anyone who has been in the military. Soldiers swear. They swear a lot. The swearing by a few characters in ME2 was bloody mild if you ask me. Ripping it out of ME3 broke a couple of characters, like Jack and Zaeed for example. Oh maybe he said bastards in ME3. Burned someones eyes there. And James? What did he ever say? Damn? Damn Damn Damn! did I offend someone? You want to filter that? Oh darn it! These are characters written for a M-rated game.

 

If you're 58 years old and can't handle that you have some other problems. I'm 62 years old. My parents are dead. I have to look out for myself and make my own decisions like I've had to do for the past 45 years. While I try to keep my own mouth from becoming a potty mouth in public, when I write I don't shy away from profanity use by characters.

[Elhanan]

I'm pretty sure if Mark Twain were still alive today, he would confirm that quote was not to be used to condone the censorship of one of the most powerful tools at humanities disposal, and one in which he was very skilled in. 
 
Besides, that's a pretty big leap you're making there in connecting logic.

It was humor; something I believe Mr Twain knew more about than some others. And I do not presume to speak for others like some here.

[AresKeith]

Thing is, I could easily rattle off a dozen different variables that might reasonably make their way into an M rated game. I mean, how would this solution of yours manage things like drug use, prostitution, sexual violence and gambling?

 

We need more gambling tbh

[rashie]

It's obvious this person has never been in the military and probably doesn't know anyone who has been in the military. Soldiers swear. They swear a lot. The swearing by a few characters in ME2 was bloody mild if you ask me. Ripping it out of ME3 broke a couple of characters, like Jack and Zaeed for example. Oh maybe he said bastards in ME3. Burned someones eyes there. And James? What did he ever say? Damn? Damn Damn Damn! did I offend someone? You want to filter that? Oh darn it! These are characters written for a M-rated game.

 

If you're 58 years old and can't handle that you have some other problems. I'm 62 years old. My parents are dead. I have to look out for myself and make my own decisions like I've had to do for the past 45 years. While I try to keep my own mouth from becoming a potty mouth in public, when I write I don't shy away from profanity use by characters.

Definitely. But then on the other hand, those that join the military by choice usually aren't delicate little flowers one of the engineers I knew and still kinda do could  make a sailor blush with that mouth.

[prosthetic soul]

It was humor; something I believe Mr Twain knew more about than some others. And I do not presume to speak for others like some here.

You're already one step closer to becoming 100% more likeable than half of the people on this forum.

 

But the fact remains that the quote you used was, more likely than not, not stated to condone censorship.  In fact, I don't think it was even used in the context of the discussion of censorship.   

[Elhanan]

It's obvious this person has never been in the military and probably doesn't know anyone who has been in the military. Soldiers swear. They swear a lot. The swearing by a few characters in ME2 was bloody mild if you ask me. Ripping it out of ME3 broke a couple of characters, like Jack and Zaeed for example. Oh maybe he said bastards in ME3. Burned someones eyes there. And James? What did he ever say? Damn? Damn Damn Damn! did I offend someone? You want to filter that? Oh darn it! These are characters written for a M-rated game.
 
If you're 58 years old and can't handle that you have some other problems. I'm 62 years old. My parents are dead. I have to look out for myself and make my own decisions like I've had to do for the past 45 years. While I try to keep my own mouth from becoming a potty mouth in public, when I write I don't shy away from profanity use by characters.

I served seven yrs, and was discharged as an E-6. Was hardly an exemplary soldier, but served with many who were; both enlisted and Officers. And if one of the former were to swear to one of the latter, being benched would not be their greatest issue. Lesser ranked Officers are included.

And age has little to do with maturity....

[Cyonan]

That's still a waste of time and money and resources towards quasi censorship that should not even be attempted.  How would that even work anyway?  it's a feature that's not implementable!  Let's say we go ahead with this pipe dream of yours and add in a "Language Filter."  I go into the Options Menu and select Explicit Language KIDDIE MODE.  So...instead of the protagonist saying....

 

"We're going to kick these Reapers in the ass and send them straight back to HELL!"

 

He somehow, inexplicably says THIS instead?

 

"We're going to kick these Reapers in the [Poorly acted dubbed over synthesized voice]Buttocks[/Poorly acted dubbed over Synthesized voice] and send them straight back to a terrible place of fire and brimstone!

 

Face it.  It would require far too much money, resources and time to implement such a feature.  Even then it would probably be impossible.  Each VA would have to re-record his lines or something.  It would be ridiculous.  Same thing for the violence and gore. 

If you aren't saying "We're off to kick them right in the daddybags" then you're doing it wrong anyway =P

 

As for the whole resources thing, that's already been covered numerous times in the thread and at this point I don't particularly care to repeat myself other than to say I was one of the people giving a general idea as to the resource requirement for such a feature.

 

and for the record, I wouldn't even use this if they implemented it. However if enough people actually wanted it, then it wouldn't be a waste.

[Elhanan]

You're already one step closer to becoming 100% more likeable than half of the people on this forum.
 
But the fact remains that the quote you used was, more likely than not, not stated to condone censorship.  In fact, I don't think it was even used in the context of the discussion of censorship.

Because this thread is not about censorship; tis about options. The vanilla material remains. I simply wish the option not to hear it.

[AresKeith]

Violence: I think its a silly notion to tag on non-lethal ammo across the board. Building in sequences where use of non lethal ammo(such as feros) actually have meaning i wouldn't have an issue with.

 

I agree with this, situations like Feros are the only way non-lethal ammo works

[Lady Luminous]

A pause sounds like a Toggle option for language to me....

I think you're really reaching, and definitely misusing the quote in this context.

[Elhanan]

I think you're really reaching, and definitely misusing the quote in this context.

Humor....

[Innocent Bystander]

As per the quote, censorship is telling somebody they can't have steak because a baby can't chew it.
 
What is being asked for in this thread isn't removal of steak from the menu, but rather having a menu that isn't only 100% steak.
 
Steak still gets to be on the menu. Nobody is taking your steak away, but some people would like chicken instead.

You're not wrong, but as I see it it's more like going to KFC, ordering chicken wings and insisting that you want bones removed from them.

What I don't get about all this is that there are people who have no problem with murdering hundreds of inteligent beings, but get twisted beyond recognition because of occasional swear word and pretend nudity/sex. Also double standards. Naked butts in diaper commercial (which I find, circumstances considering, disgusting) are completely ok and cartoon nudity in games causes riots.

[Lady Luminous]

Humor....

Barely, and ineffective at best.

[Pasquale1234]

I agree with this, situations like Feros are the only way non-lethal ammo works

Kinda depends on your goals, dunnit?

I've no idea what the plot or circumstances will be in ME:A - but I can see plenty of opportunities for non-lethal methods of defense in that environment.

Like first contact with new species - perhaps capturing some for study, trying to learn how to communicate with them. Identifying which new species are higher-level and to be treated as "people" versus those that might qualify as animals ripe for domestication?

Were it not for the recent announcement of MP (which is typically a killing field), the entire game could be dedicated to non-lethal forms of combat.

[FKA_Servo]

I gotta say, regardless of the original intent, it was a snappy comeback. I enjoyed it.

[Chealec]

Kinda depends on your goals, dunnit?

I've no idea what the plot or circumstances will be in ME:A - but I can see plenty of opportunities for non-lethal methods of defense in that environment.

Like first contact with new species - perhaps capturing some for study, trying to learn how to communicate with them. Identifying which new species are higher-level and to be treated as "people" versus those that might qualify as animals ripe for domestication?

Were it not for the recent announcement of MP (which is typically a killing field), the entire game could be dedicated to non-lethal forms of combat.

 

Hmmm....

 

 

I could see it in places - not for the whole game.

[Elhanan]

You're not wrong, but as I see it it's more like going to KFC, ordering chicken wings and insisting that you want bones removed from them.

What I don't get about all this is that there are people who have no problem with murdering hundreds of inteligent beings, but get twisted beyond recognition because of occasional swear word and pretend nudity/sex. Also double standards. Naked butts in diaper commercial (which I find, circumstances considering, disgusting) are completely ok and cartoon nudity in games causes riots.

Boneless wings are on the menu, so they can be purchased with bones or Filtered as options.

And I do not get why so many do not get that all others are not alike. I have killed many pixelated monsters, but prefer lesser Gore settings, and avoid other ESRB content as desired. A language Toggle would be of help; other may leave it off. Just like at KFC....

[Han Shot First]

I served seven yrs, and was discharged as an E-6. Was hardly an exemplary soldier, but served with many who were; both enlisted and Officers. And if one of the former were to swear to one of the latter, being benched would not be their greatest issue. Lesser ranked Officers are included.

And age has little to do with maturity....

 

You have to admit however that there is a lot of swearing in the military. I've heard it many times even when in formation and getting the 'word' from a Gunnery Sergeant. 

 

There is a scene from the movie A Midnight Clear, based on a William Wharton book of the same name, that sums it up accurately:

 

 

 

Lt. Ware: Jesus Christ, Knott. Haven't you got them f-ing sergeant stripes sown on yet?

 

Knott: The supply sergeant says they're all out. They're waiting on a new shipment.

 

Lt. Ware: Well, get some staff sergeant stripes and cut 'em down.

 

Knott: That'd be destruction of government property, sir.

 

Lt. Ware: Well, I just hope to hell that son-of-a-****** Griffin doesn't see it.

 

Knott: (internal dialogue) It's amazing how much profanity goes on in the army when you're tuned to hear it.

 

I haven't read the book, but assume it is there as well. The author was a WW2 veteran. 

[Elhanan]

You have to admit however that there is a lot of swearing in the military. I've heard it many times even when in formation and getting the 'word' from a Gunnery Sergeant. 
 
There is a scene from the movie A Midnight Clear, based on a William Wharton book of the same name, that sums it up accurately: 
 
I haven't read the book, but assume it is there as well. The author was a WW2 veteran.

Yes; there is plenty of cursing in the military, but not so much to a superior; not without repercussion. And in that example, it was the Lt using such language; not Knott. He said sir.

*not Knott*

[Han Shot First]

Yes; there is plenty of cursing in the military, but not so much to a superior; not without repercussion. And in that example, it was the Lt using such language; not Knott. He said sir.

*not Knott*

 

Sure, profanity is used between people of equal ranks or to people of lower rank. There is a ton of it though.

 

I don't think there are too many jobs where profanity is used as often or casually as in the military. 

[Elhanan]

Sure, profanity is used between people of equal ranks or to people of lower rank. There is a ton of it though.
 
I don't think there are too many jobs where profanity is used as often or casually as in the military.

Jobs; not so much. But the most cursing I have ever heard in a period of time was from my ex while giving birth.

And while cursing in the military is common, it is not generally used in a formal or job situation. Or it wasn't during my time.

[Fandango]

Aye, 'swearing like a trooper' is a oft used phrase over here in the UK. As usual, Elhanan makes no point at all.

[Monica21]

Steak still gets to be on the menu. Nobody is taking your steak away, but some people would like chicken instead.

 

Except this stupid analogy fails to take into account that chicken isn't available in that area or would be prohibitively expensive to ship in. Which is exactly what a dev said 80 pages ago. You'll get steak and you'll like it. Or you'll complain that it isn't cooked right, but the rest of us won't care.

[Monica21]

Aye, 'swearing like a trooper' is a oft used phrase over here in the UK. As usual, Elhanan makes no point at all.

 

"Swearing like a sailor" is an often used expression in the U.S. too.

[Chealec]

Sure, profanity is used between people of equal ranks or to people of lower rank. There is a ton of it though.

 

I don't think there are too many jobs where profanity is used as often or casually as in the military. 

 

You don't know many tradesmen (brickies, sparkies, chippies ... ) then