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[Battlebloodmage]

True, but it's something I think would be fascinating to see and I think Bioware could pull the effects off very well, especially if they want to have a more grey story than a black and white story. There could be positive and negative results depending on which style you choose. Like if there is an alien faction who is more open to peace talks if you don't kill their people. Or maybe you lose support of a group who wanted you to kill another group. It could open up a lot more roleplaying possibilities that the kill or be killed mentality that has permeated into the combat of Bioware games.

Wasting extra resources for not only extra animations, gun ammo, but also affecting the story, affecting the players who just want to kill bad guys, and change some fundamental parts of the game. It's awfully expensive and time consuming to workaround a way for very few people who don't want to violence. There are games with those features, but it's not to avoid killing but because the creators intended that part of the game to be so. Yours is the opposite. You haven't proved that it's financially viable yet to include it. In order to even include these features, you need to show that there are people who want this feature. You are very alone on these suggestions so far, so why would Bioware want to implement these kinds of features and workaround? You can argue for 100 more pages, but unless you can show Bioware that it can be profitable for them to do it then it's not gonna happen. As I said, if you think there are enough people interested, then go ahead, campaign, petition and make polls to show that there are a large enough consumers who would be for these kinds of features, unless you don't think there are enough people for it, then you're just wasting time arguing for something that would never happen. The time you argue with people who disagree with you could have allowed you to make a good petition page. 

[Iakus]

I feel sorry for you, being unable to enjoy games (or any form of entertainment, as I'm sure your aversion to mature themes extends beyond just gaming) simply because of content that is only offensive to those who have overly delicate sensibilities.

WHo gets to decide who's sensibilities are "overly delicate"  You?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You know, "kill or be killed" is generally the mentality when people are waving guns at each other. Mass Effect is a war and you are a soldier, not a hippy.

That said, diplomatic options in role play have nothing to do with combat and they do exist in the ME universe. There are several occasions where you can choose the renegade option to shoot someone or not click the button. That's a valid RP mechanism built into the game that you're actively ignoring in your argument. You can stop Miranda from shooting Niket and Garrus from shooting Sedonis. Having non-lethal weapons has nothing to do with those choices.

Generally, yes. But not always. And we don't know what our character is yet. Plus, who says not wanting to kill someone is being a hippy? There are plenty of soldiers who take in people on the opposing side alive to interrogate them or to turn them into double agents. 

 

I'm not ignoring that. I love how you can do that in conversations. But the discussion is on combat specifically , so that's what is being addressed. It is a way to expand on the options and mechanism that already exist. 

 

Nonlethal methods in what is primarily a 'shooter' seems a little contradictory if you ask me. Unless you're actually shooting ink because you are, in fact, a squid while also possessing the attributes of a kid.

Zelda games get away with swinging a deadly weapon around by making all the enemies monsters, not people.

Is the issue here the morality of shooting people or the visceral violence of punching holes in a living thing?

Neither. It's discussing the benefits to storytelling if the option is utilized. 

 

Wasting extra resources for not only extra animations, gun loadout, but also affecting the story, affecting the players who just want to kill bad guys, and change some fundamental parts of the game. It's awfully expensive and time consuming to workaround a way for very few people who don't want to violence. There are games with those features, but it's not to avoid killing but because the creators intended that part of the game to be so. Yours is the opposite. You haven't proved that it's financially viable yet to include it. In order to even include these features, you need to show that there are people who want this feature. You are very alone on these suggestions so far, so why would Bioware want to implement these kinds of features and workaround? You can argue for 100 more pages, but unless you can show Bioware that it can be profitable for them to do it then it's not gonna happen. As I said, if you think there are enough people interested, then go ahead, campaign, petition and make polls to show that there are a large enough consumers who would be for these kinds of features, unless you don't think there are enough people for it, then you're just wasting time arguing for something that would never happen. The time you argue with people who disagree with you could have allowed you to make a good petition page. 

If you've been reading my posts, you'd know that this isn't for people who don't want violence. Every single thing I've been discussing have been things that are to hopefully benefit both sides, not just one. This is now discussing the benefits and costs of having something like this in the game. The people who don't like killing getting a way to enjoy the game more is a side benefit. Please drop your assumptions about why I'm discussing this. 

[Iakus]

Didn't think of that before (late to the party, lol). If a developer's vision for their game involves potentially objectionable material, who are we to tell them "No, good sir! That is offensive to my sensibilities, and you should cater to my personal tastes!". It's kind of like getting offended by a comedian. It's not like they should modify their act just so your jimmies don't get rustled.

Umm, we're the ones with money with which we may purchase the game?

 

It's called "feedback"

[Monica21]

WHo gets to decide who's sensibilities are "overly delicate" You?

If anyone is buying an M rated game and can't handle the F word, then yes, they have delicate sensibilities.

[Iakus]

Since Elhanan hasn't presented any information I decided to do some research of my own.
 
When I went to the Nexus mod site for Dragon Age: Origins I saw that there was not a lewdness or profanity toggle among the most downloaded mods. Quite the opposite actually.
 
The most popular file was Better Sex Cutscenes with the most popular option from that mod being the "zesty" setting that offered content like "witch gone wild" and "Zevran gets saucy."
 

 
The third most popular file was Natural Bodies that offered character models like "seductress" and "mystic female elf."
 
It seems like it would be far more lucrative to spend resources on nude models and smokin' hot sex scenes than any sort of toggle.
 
On a completely unrelated note, I downloaded Dragon Age: Origins and am doing another run.

And how many of those mods required "adult files" or "nudity" to be toggled in order to view?

 

Just sayin...

[Battlebloodmage]

Generally, yes. But not always. And we don't know what our character is yet. Plus, who says not wanting to kill someone is being a hippy? There are plenty of soldiers who take in people on the opposing side alive to interrogate them or to turn them into double agents. 

 

I'm not ignoring that. I love how you can do that in conversations. But the discussion is on combat specifically , so that's what is being addressed. It is a way to expand on the options that already exist. 

 

Neither. It's discussing the benefits to storytelling if the option is utilized. 

 

If you've been reading my posts, you'd know that this isn't for people who don't want violence. Every single thing I've been discussing have been things that are to hopefully benefit both sides, not just one. This is now discussing the benefits and costs of having something like this in the game. The people who don't like killing getting a way to enjoy the game more is a side benefit. Please drop your assumptions about why I'm discussing this. 

Benefit both sides would assume the side who against the filter have something they want to change or gain in the first place. A lot of them satisfied with how things are. It's not a compromise. It's you and 5 other people getting something and the majority gets screwed over. You must have known that very few people who would be in favor of it since you are not willing to do anything to gather support anyway. 

[Monica21]

And how many of those mods required "adult files" or "nudity" to be toggled in order to view?

Just sayin...

You really want to compare a keyword toggle on a website with video game development? Really?!

[Iakus]

If anyone is buying an M rated game and can't handle the F word, then yes, they have delicate sensibilities.

 

Can't argue with logic like that...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Benefit both sides would assume the side who against the filter have something they want to change or gain in the first place. A lot of them satisfied with how things are. It's not a compromise. It's you and 5 other people getting something and the majority gets screwed over. You must have known that very few people who would be in favor of it since you are not willing to do anything to gather support anyway. 

I haven't said anything about a filter in this thread, other than how it is impractical and how there are better ways for Bioware to handle it, so why are you bringing it up?

[Elhanan]

If anyone is buying an M rated game and can't handle the F word, then yes, they have delicate sensibilities.

Assuming again. One may dislike vulgarity for many reasons. Bioware uses it in their games, but it is not allowed in the forums for purposes of communication. Doubt they have 'delicate sensibilities'.

[AresKeith]

And how many of those mods required "adult files" or "nudity" to be toggled in order to view?

 

Just sayin...

 

 

[Battlebloodmage]

Umm, we're the ones with money with which we may purchase the game?

 

It's called "feedback"

There need to be a big enough market for it to matter. Otherwise, people are just wasting time for a feature that would never happen. I keep telling people to make petition or use very social media to gather supports if they really believe in these features. The time they spent arguing could have been used to make a well written petition I remember how big the Thane campaign was. They even sent gifts and items to Bioware office.

[Iakus]

You really want to compare a keyword toggle on a website with video game development? Really?!

I'm not the one who brought up player mods as evidence against...something.

[Monica21]

Benefit both sides would assume the side who against the filter have something they want to change or gain in the first place. A lot of them satisfied with how things are. It's not a compromise. It's you and 5 other people getting something and the majority gets screwed over. You must have known that very few people who would be in favor of it since you are not willing to do anything to gather support anyway.

Can I just say I'm not in favor of the toggle and I'm also not fine with the way things are? I think most of us are unhappy with the overly sanitized sex scenes Bioware has now, both in the ME and DA series. I'm also not happy with the lack of cussing in ME3.

Mass Effect needs more boobs, butts, and swearing.

[Iakus]

There need to be a big enough market for it to matter. Otherwise, people are just wasting time for a feature that would never happen. I keep telling people to make petition or use very social media to gather supports if they really believe in these features. The time they spent arguing could have been used to make a well written petition I remember how big the Thane campaign was. They even sent gifts and items to Bioware office.

And the official forums for the game isn't social media?

[Fandango]

And how many of those mods required "adult files" or "nudity" to be toggled in order to view?
 
Just sayin...

So what?

[Iakus]

Can I just say I'm not in favor of the toggle and I'm also not fine with the way things are? I think most of us are unhappy with the overly sanitized sex scenes Bioware has now, both in the ME and DA series. I'm also not happy with the lack of cussing in ME3.

Mass Effect needs more boobs, butts, and swearing.

YOu must be very disappointed with the vast majority of the entertainment industry.

[Monica21]

Assuming again. One may dislike vulgarity for many reasons. Bioware uses it in their games, but it is not allowed in the forums for purposes of communication. Doubt they have 'delicate sensibilities'.

At some point you need to tell us what your actual problem is then, since you continue to tell us you don't have delicate sensibilities and then ramble about how your parents raised you. You need to get to your actual problem instead of just talking around it.

[Battlebloodmage]

I haven't said anything about a filter ever in this thread, and have even argued how it is impractical, so why are you bringing it up like I am?

The word filter is just a shortcut for all the stuffs that required changes like no killing, could have used a different words. That was not the point at all, as I said, the point is the consumers who would want that feature is barely enough to justify making these drastic changes to not only the game mechanics but resource and time they could spend on something else. You're basically wasting time for no reasons because you haven't proven there is a market for it and refuse to do anything to gather support. Things are not just happened because you want it to happen. 

[Monica21]

YOu must be very disappointed with the vast majority of the entertainment industry.

Actually no, because I know the difference between an R rating a PG-13 rating. Don't you?

[Battlebloodmage]

And the official forums for the game isn't social media?

And almost everyone disagree with it, so it shows the lack of support and market. There are other people who don't use this site, there are other places or even make a petition. There are reddit, twitter, facebook, etc that are more popular than this site. Even Bioware people visit reddit and posted there sometimes. Making a petition on Change.org doesn't require much. At least show how many people interested in it to show that there is a market for it. ATM, it's not viable to waste resources on these features.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The word filter is just a shortcut for all the stuffs that required changes like no killing, could have used a different words. That was not the point at all, as I said, the point is the consumers who would want that feature is barely enough to justify making these drastic changes to not only the game mechanics but resource and time they could spend on something else. You're basically wasting time for no reasons because you haven't proven there is a market for it and refuse to do anything to gather support. Things are not just happened because you want it to happen. 

Yes, you should have used a different word. An accurate one, like for example 'feature' or 'mechanic'.

As for not doing anything, I asked a few Bioware people a little while ago asking if they had considered such a thing. If/when they respond, I'll react accordingly to what scenario occurs. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Yes, you should have used a different word. An accurate one, like for example 'feature' or 'mechanic'.

As for not doing anything, I asked a few Bioware people a little while ago asking if they had considered such a thing. If/when they respond, I'll react accordingly to what scenario occurs. 

Actually, the filter word sounds much better now that I think of it. You can think of what you consider a feature if you want.

 

Well, good luck with that, if they say something about it. I can already guess the response. So far, those who want this feature just want the feature to happen without proving that there is enough people wanting it. 

[Elhanan]

At some point you need to tell us what your actual problem is then, since you continue to tell us you don't have delicate sensibilities and then ramble about how your parents raised you. You need to get to your actual problem instead of just talking around it.

*sigh* My folks are my caregivers, and thus I still see them almost daily. And if I am playing a game, it goes away. Respect; some here might wish to give it a try.

The problem is not mine; is those that believe that everyone has to be molded to the same mindset as everyone else in The Order. I dislike obscenity, anchovies, and the scent of sauerkraut; prefer life without them.