Pfft the USA is tiny. Canada is about 95% the size of Europe from the ural mountains, so all of European Russian, to Portugal From Sicily to the Top of Norway. That's a big country.
Population matters more, and Canada cheats by fudging its numbers by making beavers citizens.
Things went straight to hell when you guys started letting beavers vote.
Ah, no, no for teen rated. ME has always been just fine as is. I'm not interested in teen games.
Nudity, sex, profanity, and excessive violence seem to be sore spots with a segment of this fanbase for a number of different reasons. What better way to restrain these things, and open up new revenue opportunities, than to aim for a T rating as a benchmark for any and all content? BioWare's already gone back in that direction with Star Wars: The Old Republic, after all.
Would you be bothered by this? Why or why not? Do the things you enjoy about Mass Effect demand a MATURE rating?
(I know you're joking, please don't hate me)
No what would be the point. It is easier to reach greater heights when there are no ceilings.
This was something that I mentioned in another thread, but I wanted to try to re-focus this one.
Would having a T rated game effect the stories and themes in ME in a negative way?
I don't think it would.
Outside of DA:O modern bioware storylines are for all intents and purposes a fair bit lighter in tone and delivery and very comparable to what both kotor 1 and 2 did, its everything around the core package in the narrative that pushes it over the edge imo.
This was something that I mentioned in another thread, but I wanted to try to re-focus this one.
Would having a T rated game effect the stories and themes in ME in a negative way? Is many of themes of previous ME games still considered within the T/15-16+ spectrum? Or would some of those themes have to be toned down for the sake of the rating? And if so, would this affect the quality of the game overall, or would the impact be considered minimal? Where should the line be drawn in order for it to be a T rating?Again, I'm not talking about the side boobs/butts, or the topless scenes in DA:I, or the blood, or the mostly PG-13 language. We've covered those and then some. The themes I think bare some closer examination. That [still] needs to cook in my hindbrain for a bit, so I'll my share my own thoughts when I feel like I can express them correctly.Edit: I know that blood, gore, nudity and language can (and do) affect ratings quite a bit. I do think there is there's more to it, and I'm curious about the different opinions folks have on the themes themselves and how they affect a game's rating.
Not necessarily. Past games have gotten plenty dark, like the KoTOR examples given in the other thread show. I think even some of the darkest stuff in the Dragon Age games could squeak through, seeing as most of it was alluded to and implied, as opposed to straight up shown (case in point - how to make a broodmother).
It wouldn't ruin things, per se. And there would still be plenty of food for thought, for those inclined to think about things. So yeah, I think it could switch mostly unscathed, and I'd still play the games. The lack of such content would be a little jarring and unrealistic, I think, but hey - with a notable, Daggerfall-shaped exception, it was a good 20 years of gaming before I saw anything past PG-13 in a game. It's not like I'm not used to it.
It would still be a bad idea, and there are certain segments of the playerbase that regard Bioware as a care bear laughingstock as is (wholly unwarranted, of course, but lots of people are very dumb). This would not help matters, there.
This was something that I mentioned in another thread, but I wanted to try to re-focus this one.
Would having a T rated game effect the stories and themes in ME in a negative way? Is many of themes of previous ME games still considered within the T/15-16+ spectrum? Or would some of those themes have to be toned down for the sake of the rating? And if so, would this affect the quality of the game overall, or would the impact be considered minimal? Where should the line be drawn in order for it to be a T rating?Again, I'm not talking about the side boobs/butts, or the topless scenes in DA:I, or the blood, or the mostly PG-13 language. We've covered those and then some. The themes I think bare some closer examination. That [still] needs to cook in my hindbrain for a bit, so I'll my share my own thoughts when I feel like I can express them correctly.Edit: I know that blood, gore, nudity and language can (and do) affect ratings quite a bit. I do think there is there's more to it, and I'm curious about the different opinions folks have on the themes themselves and how they affect a game's rating.
In my opinion ME's have mostly included adult themes and some are rather heavy. Experimentation on people, genocides, violent jailors and police that torture subjects, torturing and experiementing on kids/your own brother, slavery, strip clubs, corruption, liquidation of helpless humans.. well those are some of the themes that have happened in the game.
So the game would surely change if rating was dropped.
In my opinion ME's have mostly included adult themes and some are rather heavy. Experimentation on people, genocides, violent jailors and police that torture subjects, torturing and experiementing on kids/your own brother, slavery, strip clubs, corruption, liquidation of helpless humans.. well those are some of the themes that have happened in the game.
So the game would surely change if rating was dropped.
That's the thing - I don't think it necessarily would. It's the pornographic violence and the pornographic... porn... that jacks up the rating.
Which is ridiculous, but that's the state of things, at least in the US for the ESRB. They have funny priorities. As long as you don't show any nudity and keep the language light, you can kind of get as dark as you want, otherwise.
This isnt the movie industry where PG13 movies sell better than R movies. GTA5 is like the highest selling game of the last generation and it was M rated.
To be fair, nobody in the world except for you thinks Bioware should be looking to GTA for pointers on how to do anything.
That's the thing - I don't think it necessarily would. It's the pornographic violence and the pornographic... porn... that jacks up the rating.
Which is ridiculous, but that's the state of things, at least in the US for the ESRB. They have funny priorities.
Well have to agree on that, like I have said in this thread I find the reasons for ratings superficial and not really think through. I don't think side boob, f-word or straight forward violence will disturb or harm anyone. However adult themes and psychological/sexual violence etc. can be too much for many and I know that I as kid did watch lot of disturbing content, not because the rating was too big, but because it didn't take accord adult themes and disturbing stuff. Like movie Mocking Bird Don't Sing, it's seriously most disturbing movie I have seen and it's 12+. I was really shaken up after watching it as 14 years old and still remember parts of it clearly due to how disturbed by it I were.
This isnt the movie industry where PG13 movies sell better than R movies. GTA5 is like the highest selling game of the last generation and it was M rated.
Its also a wholly different kind of game, and not really one bioware should be looking to for points on how to make an rpg.
If people are upset by a little gore I don't think they'd like a game that does social commentary in the manner of forcing people to waterboard/electrocute/ pull out teeths on npc's onscreen through button prompts in its main story. GTA, unlike Mass Effect, is wholly deserving of its M rating.
I actually don't think a T-Rating would change much, and in fact I'm rather surprised ME1 and 2 got M-ratings to begin with. As far as the Mature rating goes, Bioware has never really felt the need to push the envelope. Mass Effect has never been about the GTA dialogue or Gears of War gore.
The absolute worst I think the series has done to earn an M were the headshots in ME3, which I don't think are really necessary to enjoying gameplay. On the other hand, going down to a T-rating would limit you in the types of dialogue you can write, and there wouldn't be that much blood, which is unnecessary when used in excess like said headshots, but I feel can add to the atmosphere when used correctly. You would also not be able to have nude romance scenes, which I think is the direction that Bioware is going post DA:I, which I don't see as necessary, but others might find to enhance a particular romance option.
This isnt the movie industry where PG13 movies sell better than R movies. GTA5 is like the highest selling game of the last generation and it was M rated.
So even with rating T the game would still have adult themes and heavy and disturbing content.. but toned down sex scenes with underwears on, no blood after you brutally kill person and no cuss words?
That's what I have concluded from this thread and discussion about ratings.
So even with rating T the game would still have adult themes and heavy and disturbing content.. but toned down sex scenes with underwears on, no blood after you brutally kill person and no cuss words?
That's what I have concluded from this thread and discussion about ratings.
I would be against reducing it to a T rating.
We are talking about a shooter where we kill people, play a Marine where swearing is a common thing, interact with some mofo's from a bad apple and a game that has garnered more success with romances. The story of the game deals with a lot of adult themes and I would prefer it stay that way.
I would want to see how many this really would cater to out of the total population that would buy it. I suspect the fans pushing for M rating make up a small percentage.
I like my blood, carnage and full on sex scenes for ME.
So even with rating T the game would still have adult themes and heavy and disturbing content.. but toned down sex scenes with underwears on, no blood after you brutally kill person and no cuss words?
That's what I have concluded from this thread and discussion about ratings.
Pretty much.
It would still be a silly move though, for reasons previously put forth.
Kinda, yeah. That's what some people have asserted is possible with Mass Effect, and that the overall experience won't change.
Pretty much.
It would still be a silly move though, for reasons previously put forth.
I fail to see how lowering the rating would be positive then. To me it sounds mostly negative.
I fail to see how lowering the rating would be positive then. To me it sounds mostly negative.
I don't think it would be positive at all.
It's just something people could deal with if necessary, with the knowledge that it's not going to turn into a Saturday morning cartoon, either way.
Ratings are arbitrary, and the people who rate games are all doing so based purely on their personal morals, you could assign a 5+ rating onto mass effect if the people rating don't care, or you could have one curse in the entire game but the person rating gives it a M.
Trying to appease what may be the most prudish person in the world makes no sense, just build the game, and take what ever arbitrary rating you get. I will buy it one way or the other if it is good.
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