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[Il Divo]

Key word there being "should."

 

Wikipedia has a list of the best selling multi-platform video games of all time. The only T-rated games on the list are from the Sims series. The majority are either E-rated games like Mario, Pokemon, or Tetris, or M-rated games including GTA, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Skyrim, and Diablo 3.

 

T-rated games are like the anti-PG13. Logically they should make more money because they're available to a wider audience, but for some reason they don't sell as well as either the G/PG or R rated equivalents. 

 

Part of it too probably relates to accessibility. Even for a PG rated movie designed for children, they can't reach a theater by themselves. That means (on an average) at least one additional ticket sold per family. 

 

Compared to an E-rated game, the parent doesn't need a physical copy in order to buy one for their kids. 

[Wulfram]

Why would anyone want the game to be rated for teens?  I don't see where it would benefit anything at all.

Well, when I was a teen it would have been nice. As it is, I don't think it would hurt the game much at all.

[Former_Fiend]

I can say that were I still a teen, if I had wanted to play ME and my parents hadn't allowed it, and then I heard the next ME game would be rated T, I actually wouldn't want to play it because, in my mind, I'd be getting the watered down version of what I had wanted to play.

 

But honestly I don't imagine that there are many people in the Rated-T demographic that are exactly clamoring for this series who wouldn't be getting it anyway; even if their parents were strict about it, I imagine most kids this series would appeal to are old enough now that by the time it comes out they'd be able to get it, anyway.

[Wulfram]

I'd have wanted it and not got it. At least, going by the arguments I had about Baldur's Gate back in the day. And that was a 15, not a scary 18.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I'd have wanted it and not got it. At least, going by the arguments I had about Baldur's Gate back in the day. And that was a 15, not a scary 18.

 

Some of Viconia's dialogue should have been 18 though.

[Dark Helmet]

Some of Viconia's dialogue should have been 18 though.

 

Hmm Viconia...

[S.W.]

Sex, violence, and rock n' roll effin and blindin are all things I highly approve of - well, not the violence, ignore that - so yes, I would be annoyed if that was cut out.

 

Can bioware write interesting stories without those components? Can a fish swim? The answer is fairly obvious. But I like the M rating fine.

[The Heretic of Time]

The Mass Effect franchise has an M-rating, but let's be honest here, are the Mass Effect franchise and its fanbase really all that mature? No, they aren't.

 

The rating on the box does not give a good indication of how mature the story and content of a game is. I've seen games with a T-rating that are more mature than Mass Effect. So it's perfectly possible to make a T-rated Mass Effect game while at the same time being more mature than the ME games we already have.

 

I'm not saying that BioWare should aim for a T-rating for ME:A, but I'm not demanding that ME:A stays M-rated either. I really don't care about the rating, I just want a mature game with a mature story.

[Incantrix]

Is this the newest buzz topic on BSN?

[Giantdeathrobot]

Now that brings back memories! Playing KotOR Actually, at the risk of sounding incredibly naive, did the PC and Bastila do more than kiss? I remember at one point you can make reference to the fact that "It was only a kiss". But I thought the fade to black was more so we could escape awkward kissing animations, since that was one area KotOR was horrible in. 

 

As for KotOR 2, I think they rated it T. Still, I find the idea sneaking that under the radar a bit terrifying. KotOR 2 doesn't have really any sex, graphic violence, or language to speak of. But some of the ideas tossed around in there and things the PC can get away with doing are absolutely terrifying. The scene where you have the option to sacrifice Visas was pretty damn dark. 

 

KOTOR 2 has an implied rape following a woman getting viciously beaten up on screen and it flew under the T for Teen radar. Obsidian were just pretty good at covering their tracks it seems.

 

As for Mass Effect, I see very little that would be gained from moving to a T rating, and marketing-wise game companies avoid this rating like the plague so there's not a chance of it happening anyway.

[Il Divo]

KOTOR 2 has an implied rape following a woman getting viciously beaten up on screen and it flew under the T for Teen radar. Obsidian were just pretty good at covering their tracks it seems.

 

As for Mass Effect, I see very little that would be gained from moving to a T rating, and marketing-wise game companies avoid this rating like the plague so there's not a chance of it happening anyway.

 

I guess it's one of those "if you're creative enough with it, you can get away with anything" kinda deals. 

 

They pulled the same trick later on too with Visas/Nihilus. The game gives the player the ability to manipulate a tortured young woman into sacrificing herself to kill her former abusive master, who is additionally responsible for committing genocide against her people. After that, while she's dying and begs for you to stay with her,  you can then sadistically admit to having used her for your own benefit.

 

If nothing else, it shows that our current rating system is extremely flawed if language/nudity can secure a higher rating than this sort of content.  

[Battlebloodmage]

Nah, I love exploding headshots, cursing, sex scenes, etc. Don't cut it down just to satisfy a few people. They may have to edit down the content subject as well, and I don't want that to happen. 

[dreamgazer]

Is this the newest buzz topic on BSN?

Yes.

[KaiserShep]

The Mass Effect franchise has an M-rating, but let's be honest here, are the Mass Effect franchise and its fanbase really all that mature? No, they aren't.

 

The rating on the box does not give a good indication of how mature the story and content of a game is. I've seen games with a T-rating that are more mature than Mass Effect. So it's perfectly possible to make a T-rated Mass Effect game while at the same time being more mature than the ME games we already have.

 

I'm not saying that BioWare should aim for a T-rating for ME:A, but I'm not demanding that ME:A stays M-rated either. I really don't care about the rating, I just want a mature game with a mature story.

 

To be fair, even if the writers moved away from the entire spectrum of expletives and removed any overt sexual content, the game would still be rated M solely for the fact that we can make baddies' heads looks like they're part of a Gallagher bit. Whatever they write and whatever they animate, I don't think they should ever get rid of some of the grisly effects of powerful mass effect weapons and explosive tech and biotic powers. 

 

But on your first point, I do agree that a restrictive rating won't necessarily stop the content from being the most puerile crap known to man. 

[Mdizzletr0n]

Nudity, sex, profanity, and excessive violence seem to be sore spots with a segment of this fanbase for a number of different reasons. What better way to restrain these things, and open up new revenue opportunities, than to aim for a T rating as a benchmark for any and all content? BioWare's already gone back in that direction with Star Wars: The Old Republic, after all.

Would you be bothered by this? Why or why not? Do the things you enjoy about Mass Effect demand a MATURE rating?

Counter argument. Grand Theft Auto. That's sold far more than Mass Effect and WITH an M rating.

[Former_Fiend]

As I pointed out in another thread, the single best selling Mass Effect game is ME2, which was also the one with the most swearing.

 

The single best selling Dragon Age game, and according to Bioware, their best selling game of all time, Was Inquisition, which was the first one to show nudity during the romance scenes.

 

Now, I do not believe there's a causation between those factors. I don't think a lot of people looked at the content warning label, saw "strong language" and "nudity" and were instantly sold on those factors. But the fact is that including that mature content definitely isn't hurting Bioware's sales

[Wulfram]

SW:tOR has probably produced more revenue than any other Bioware game, and that's Teen.

(It also cost a lot)

[Elhanan]

As I pointed out in another thread, the single best selling Mass Effect game is ME2, which was also the one with the most swearing.
 
The single best selling Dragon Age game, and according to Bioware, their best selling game of all time, Was Inquisition, which was the first one to show nudity during the romance scenes.
 
Now, I do not believe there's a causation between those factors. I don't think a lot of people looked at the content warning label, saw "strong language" and "nudity" and were instantly sold on those factors. But the fact is that including that mature content definitely isn't hurting Bioware's sales

And then there is Skyrim which had little swearing or nudity at most. Still a Mature title, but made with more restraint in the content than less.

[Steelcan]

And then there is Skyrim which had little swearing or nudity at most. Still a Mature title, but made with more restraint in the content than less.

yes, because Bethesda games are so big on deep character interactions, or even things like characters in the first place, as opposed to quasi-sapient gun toters

[Il Divo]

And then there is Skyrim which had little swearing or nudity at most. Still a Mature title, but made with more restraint in the content than less.

 

Well, beyond the fact that you can roleplay a mass murder and just go around executing people on a whim, amongst other things. Let's just ignore those bits.  

[rashie]

And then there is Skyrim which had little swearing or nudity at most. Still a Mature title, but made with more restraint in the content than less.

I think that might be because Skyrim features themes such as cannibalism and the player being able to become one among other things, that and the abundance of possibilities of motiveless killing.

[Il Divo]

yes, because Bethesda games are so big on deep character interactions, or even things like characters in the first place, as opposed to quasi-sapient gun toters

 

Also, this. Skyrim's appeal is in the freedom to do anything and everything I want. I can't say I expect much nudity while literally just wandering an open world. And while Bioware games can be pretty bad on character interaction, Bethesda is on a whole different level in that regard. 

[Elhanan]

yes, because Bethesda games are so big on deep character interactions, or even things like characters in the first place, as opposed to quasi-sapient gun toters

But they do sell rather well, which was the point of the previous post. And while Bioware has better designed characters and stories, I still managed 2800+ hrs in my first Open World game.

[Elhanan]

Well, beyond the fact that you can roleplay a mass murder and just go around executing people on a whim, amongst other things. Let's just ignore those bits.

Not ignored; not necessary as it was not mentioned in the previous post of which I replied. This factor made it a Mature title; not the aforementioned swearing and nudity, and set standards for sales in a cRPG.

[dreamgazer]

Counter argument. Grand Theft Auto. That's sold far more than Mass Effect and WITH an M rating.

 

That doesn't really work as a counter-argument, though, because the Mass Effect games are already rated M for Mature. We've seen how they perform in that bracket.