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[Wulfram]

SW:tOR has drug references, threats of galactic and planetary extinction, genocidal choices, loads and loads of torture and characters that are both sexual and violent.

[Toasted Llama]

Lol. Age ratings. Lol. The one thing I'll never adhere to.

 

I personally don't care whether ME gets a T or a M rating.

 

But I'm pretty simple in that regard; I just want to enjoy a good story with interesting characters and FFX with a T rating still makes me cry like a little baby, so I know a good story/game can be delivered with a lower age rating.

 

Maybe the whole "YOU MAKE THE CHOICES!" thing might push the age rating a bit because there's been a clear line so far between goody-two-shoes who's good for a teen rating and space-a$$hole who's good for a mature rating.

[Grieving Natashina]

SW:tOR has drug references, threats of galactic and planetary extinction, genocidal choices, loads and loads of torture and characters that are both sexual and violent.

 

I think both series have their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to their content.  The thing I keep in mind is that ToR from the beginning was designed to have the general audience in mind.  SW has always had those things, but they keep it firmly in the realm of high science-fantasy and it's been pretty much intended for a PG/PG-13 rating from the get-go.  It's easier to build a T-rated game with that kind of history.  ME, on the other hand, was built from the ground up to be inspired by movies such as Blade Runner, and (to some extent) Aliens.  Those are definitely R-rated movies.  Since the series was built with that in mind, I think it would be a disservice to the intended nature of the story they want to deliver changing for a lower rating.  Which may or may not hurt sales.

 

Just like with movies or music, when it comes to series like ME, I personally don't feel it shouldn't change just to appease a broader audience.  It isn't up to the game maker to change this content.  I've seen what happens when otherwise good material is changed up in a sequel to appease the masses (oh hai Boondock Saints 2.  Still want my money back.)  

 

It's up to the consumer to use good judgement, not up to the creator change that content.  If a M/18+ game isn't for them, they don't have to buy it.  The rating system was created so folks could decide for themselves and music/game/movie creators could make they content they wanted.  As it should be.  

 

There is plenty of excellent T rated games on the market.  Some of which are very deep (hey, I cried at the end of FFX too!) but they usually aren't presented in a way that's supposed to reflect our potential future.  Even ToR is still "in a galaxy far far away," which is more or less the same setup as a fairy tale.  To be fair, a lot of fairy tales are actually pretty harsh.  Like everything Hans Christian Anderson wrote, or the Brothers Grimm.  

 

Yet, those stories held at a distance to our lives for a long time, and I don't think that's the intent behind ME.  ME was built on the idea that this is our possible future, and I think that the ME team wants to keep to that.  Cursing, bleeding, a bit of sideboob or even bare breast (seen more at a beach myself) are actually a part of real life, and one that shouldn't be diminished because some folks are offended, or for the sake of selling more games.  Again, YMMV and I have no judgement on folks that are offended by this content.  To each their own here, and as long as you enjoy your games, that's all that matters to me.  The ME and DA teams are going to do what they want as far as a rating, though they are taking feedback into consideration. 

 

I wanted to say that I agree with not having nudity as part of those romance conversations.  I have no problem with it, and I think it adds a nice touch.  Still, I can see why folks might not be comfy having Cassandra or the lady Inquisitor topless.  If nothing else, this is a game that can be legally sold in the US to 17-18 year olds.  If you live at home with mom and dad, then that could get awkward quick even if they play the same game.  Some folks find the boob/butt graphics silly and immersion breaking.  Some can deal with the rest of the content and are uncomfortable with pixelated nudity, but still want to see those conversations.   I can see and mostly agree with all of that.   No underwear though.  Use shadows or a sheet, because underwear right after sex looks silly in both games and in the movies.

 

That's just my two credits.  I do respect where a lot of people are coming from on all sides of this debate (those that want a T rating, those that think the rating shouldn't change, and those that are laughing at everyone else.)  I honestly don't think anyone is right or wrong in this debate.  Out of all the topics on the BSN that can come up, this is by far the most subjective one aside from a preference in looks.  There has been some excellent points and a lot of food for thought.  

 

In any case, we'll know soon enough.  I think my "great respect" post about the DA:I ESRB rating was from May of last year, so if the same schedule holds, we'll find out about 5-6 months before release.  I know I'll check it out no matter the rating, depending upon the reviews.  I'm not pre-ordering and I'm unlikely to buy the game new though.  I'd wait for patches first.

 

Edit: I liked your post because while I feel that it's not quite the same thing as far as the final product goes, you do have a good point.  

[Amplitudelol]

It's a discussion worth having, actually...  

 

Of course it is. The conclusion will be noone agrees with anyone about anything, no employee of EA - besides moderators - will ever read it, the discussion will have no effect on anything EA does. Please continue with the discussion.

[Shechinah]

Of course it is. The conclusion will be noone agrees with anyone about anything, no employee of EA - besides moderators - will ever read it, the discussion will have no effect on anything EA does. Please continue with the discussion.

I'm glad your post was not intended as participation in the discussion because otherwise it would have meant that you were commiting a cardinal sin when it came to discussion; stating something subjective and stating it as fact.

 

That said, I consider your conclusion to be flawed since I consider there to be sufficent evidence for the argument to be made that that information, feedback and otherwise, posted on these forums are been read, gathered and refined by employees of Bioware, a division of EA, and mulled over by the developers of both the Mass Effect series and the Dragon Age series for better or worse.

[Amplitudelol]

I'm glad your post was not intended as participation in the discussion because otherwise it would have meant that you were commiting a cardinal sin when it came to discussion; stating something subjective and stating it as fact.

 

That said, I consider your conclusion to be flawed since I consider there to be sufficent evidence for the argument to be made that that information, feedback and otherwise, posted on these forums are been read, gathered and refined by employees of Bioware, a division of EA, and mulled over by the developers of both the Mass Effect series and the Dragon Age series for better or worse.

 

I am sorry, i was wrong. EA employees read these topics and gather feedback. Please continue.

[Lord Gunsmith 90]

All past Mass Effect games have been M so far, I don't see the need for a T rateing.

[KotorEffect3]

Keep it M

[Cheviot]

Take it to T.

[N7M]

As has been pointed out, the current considerations the ESRB has for making it's ratings seem to indicate there are few aspects in Mass Effect that would require attenuation to get a T.

 

Could a move to Teen strengthen the IP? It's possible. Many of the themes and ideas explored in Mass Effect needn't require content that would get an M rating. 

In the long term, possibly not. Mass Effect doesn't seem to be about only satisfying any specific niche segment of sci-fi aficionados. 

To allow enjoyment of Mass Effect to as wide an audience as possible the target rating should be M with content control functions allowing end users to be able to bring the rating to E10+. AO content should be made available as DLC. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Mass Effect contains lots of body horror, it needed the M rating to show those elements. It might get away with a Teen rating in the US but I doubt other countries would treat it the same. I am fairly sure it would still be rated M in Germany.

[Gramorla]

So far every Mass Effect game was rated "16" in germany and M "18" in the USA.

[N7Jamaican]

As long as it's a good game, I'm all for whatever rating.

[Panda]

Well Pegi gave ME2 and ME3 18+ on Nordic version. Idk about ME1 I have that one digital since it wasn't sold to PS3 physical version.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So far every Mass Effect game was rated "16" in germany and M "18" in the USA.

 

Really? Heh. Well, I didn't know, I imported them from the UK or got the digital version.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I want it to be M rated. Not because of sex or violence, but because M rated games can get away with and delve much deeper into mature subject matter and situations. The kind of moral ambiguity that we are used to in the franchise would be much more watered down (and as a result, likely less impactful) if the devs have to concern themselves with the audience's age.

 

My 2¢

[lucianorim]

I don't think it works for this game at all. While the super sexy cleavages and outfits were a bit immature, and some romance scenes could've been treated more properly, these are still part of ME's personality. In my opinion, it justr a matter of good ideas and polishing. The Last of Us is mature-rated and it doesn't rely on childish bouncing boobs and booty shots, because Naughty Dog knew that they didn't need that element to keep you interested in the story. I hope Bioware will keep in mind that some of us want to see a more serious take on the universe, while keeping good and interesting characters, rich and uncensored relationship development and possible outcomes.

[78stonewobble]

I want it to be M rated. Not because of sex or violence, but because M rated games can get away with and delve much deeper into mature subject matter and situations. The kind of moral ambiguity that we are used to in the franchise would be much more watered down (and as a result, likely less impactful) if the devs have to concern themselves with the audience's age.

 

My 2¢

 

I tend to agree... 

 

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On a sidenote... If I were a parent and my teenager could not handle* mature content, even with my support as a parent, then I'd feel I had failed as a parent.

 

* Handling meaning everything from earlier... this isn't for me to later able to handle as an adult would. 

[Kalas Magnus]

ill pass if it not m.

[Helios969]

Well, if we're gonna be killing 100K mooks it's gonna be M.  Regardless I don't really care about ratings.  The rating system seems more about sex and violance, whereas I care about a story that deals with mature themes.  Most M-rated games are rated "mature" for very immature reasons.

[straykat]

I think the original probably drew inspiration from darker films like Alien. Why would anyone even assume it could be for teens?

 

While the second channeled over-the-top things I love.. Like Aria' shittalking reminds me of every mob boss in an 80's movie nightclub. And my favorite companions (Grunt and Jack) were mostly just funny, even if ultra violent.

 

Anyways.. how did anyone even play this series up to this point, and only now start bitching about that type of content? Just go away. It's easier that way for everyone.

[Statichands]

GUTS AND GLORY!

[Wulfram]

Well, if we're gonna be killing 100K mooks it's gonna be M.  Regardless I don't really care about ratings.  The rating system seems more about sex and violance, whereas I care about a story that deals with mature themes.  Most M-rated games are rated "mature" for very immature reasons.

I'm sure I've killed more mooks in SWtOR than ME. That's Teen.

[KaiserShep]

I'm sure I've killed more mooks in SWtOR than ME. That's Teen.

 

The same is true of Destiny, though outside of PvP we're just killing monsters with flashy effects. SWtOR's combat doesn't quite give the impression of grim death though. If the lightsabers in the game actually severed parts of the organic opponent, the rating might've made it to M. 

[Chealec]

I hope they just make the game they want to make and let the various censorship boards worry about the rating personally.