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[Shechinah]

SWtOR's combat doesn't quite give the impression of grim death though. If the lightsabers in the game actually severed parts of the organic opponent, the rating might've made it to M. 

 

You can deliver quite gruesome deaths and do some terrible things in Star Wars: The Old Republic; My Bounty Hunter once burned defenseless civilians to death on Balmorra with a wrist-mounted flamethrower and I think you could hear the screams meaning it was not a quick death. It only escaped being graphical because the civilians in question were offscreen. There's also the time my Bounty Hunter killed and then decapitated a man so that they could show his head to his horrified wife. You never saw the head but you sure saw and heard her reaction.

 

It's interesting to see the way they skirt the rating; it may be a bit like how Batman: The Animated Show seemed to do it to get around their censors and ratings. By avoiding showing something, you wind up with something more terrifying and horrific in certain cases.

 

S'why I always find it a tad silly when some claim SWTOR is devoid of mature or dark content. Not that you are, of course, since combat is relatively standard in terms of gore or rather the lack thereof. 
 

[pdusen]

Is there a reason that super old non-threads are getting necroed lately?

[Shechinah]

Is there a reason that super old non-threads are getting necroed lately?

 

It's about the date of the Day of the Dead so we are honoring the dead threads by leaving posts to remember it by so it may find its way to the afterlife known as the forums of the remembered threads?
 

[KaiserShep]

Is there a reason that super old non-threads are getting necroed lately?

 

Heh, at least this one is from this year.

[Wulfram]

The same is true of Destiny, though outside of PvP we're just killing monsters with flashy effects. SWtOR's combat doesn't quite give the impression of grim death though. If the lightsabers in the game actually severed parts of the organic opponent, the rating might've made it to M.

True, and ME3's headshot animations would surely be a problem if they were looking for T. But just killing a whole bunch of people isn't a problem.

[Mcfly616]

Nah. I want to see limbs getting blown off and holes getting blown through enemies with high powered weaponry, leaving alien guts and body parts strewn about the landscape. It's gonna be awesome.

[Linkenski]

 
Nudity, sex, profanity, and excessive violence seem to be sore spots with a segment of this fanbase for a number of different reasons.  What better way to restrain these things, and open up new revenue opportunities, than to aim for a T rating as a benchmark for any and all content? BioWare's already gone back in that direction with Star Wars: The Old Republic, after all.
 
Would you be bothered by this? Why or why not? Do the things you enjoy about Mass Effect demand a MATURE rating?

It would bother me if it meant romance scenes depict fondling/cuddling clothed characters because it breaks immersion.

 

Other than that I guess not. What did ME1 have that made it not T-for-Teen aside from nudity? I don't really care for F-bombs either unless having it censored means you have to watch scenes where a character is furious and goes "Just sod off!"

 

But if T is a pass to avoid the dumb head-popping of Cerberus troopers in ME3, then hell yes. I thought ME2's headshots felt more visceral because they didn't actually break the realism by shooting off the heads.

[Ahglock]

As much as I love my puerile fix of sex and violence it wouldn't impact the story so I would not care.

[straykat]

As much as I love my puerile fix of sex and violence it wouldn't impact the story so I would not care.

 

I think it would actually. lol

[Chealec]

Other than that I guess not. What did ME1 have that made it not T-for-Teen aside from nudity?

 

 

Nothing in the UK it was BBFC 12-rated.

[straykat]

 

Nothing in the UK it was BBFC 12-rated.

 

Gotta love the "60hz" rating, with the pic of an old school TV.

 

Or so it seems.

[Mcfly616]

 

Nothing in the UK it was BBFC 12-rated.

'cuz Europeans aren't hypersensitive prudes.

[Chealec]

'cuz Europeans aren't hypersensitive prudes.

 

Ummm - when it was moved under the pan-European PEGI rating it became an 18 rated game ...

[Bizantura]

I don't belong to the American culture since I live in an other part of the world.  Personally I am a bit tired of the American model of morals being foisted upon other cultures.  I don't care for the average American prudeness, so what they consider Adult content usualy make me laugh and I have no problem if my children see some so called unapropriate body region.

 

All in all since games are sold worldwide what does rating mean?

[Jellyfish Opera]

I'm going to have to go with a NO. 

Mass Effect needs to be gritty, but full of wonder. A T-rating would diminish that especially if they try to tackle more adult themes and philosophies. I mean kids/teens are going to get their hands on the game regardless of the rating being M. Adults will simply buy their child what ever game they want without taking much thought into account of the rating (We've all had the moment where we were playing a M rated game online and sure enough there's that 12-15 year old running around).

But I digress, keep it M.  

[Chealec]

I don't belong to the American culture since I live in an other part of the world.  Personally I am a bit tired of the American model of morals being foisted upon other cultures.  I don't care for the average American prudeness, so what they consider Adult content usualy make me laugh and I have no problem if my children see some so called unapropriate body region.

 

All in all since games are sold worldwide what does rating mean?

 

Different regions have different ratings; the American ESRB rating holds no legal weight in Europe - it's the PEGI rating here. There's no such thing as an 'M' rating in Europe.

 

Now here's the funny thing... an 'M' rated game under ESRB (which may have bewbies!) is suitable for people aged 17+ but the equivalent rating in Europe is PEGI 18. Which means, if you think about it, American gamers are allowed to view all that 'M' rated nudie goodness a whole year younger than gamers in Europe... and yet we call them prudes?

[Sartoz]

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The answer to the OP's question is NO.

Why? The  warning tag, the story and theme makes the ME franchise.  Make it a "T" and the game is gutted.

[Ariella]

Different regions have different ratings; the American ESRB rating holds no legal weight in Europe - it's the PEGI rating here. There's no such thing as an 'M' rating in Europe.

 

Now here's the funny thing... an 'M' rated game under ESRB (which may have bewbies!) is suitable for people aged 17+ but the equivalent rating in Europe is PEGI 18. Which means, if you think about it, American gamers are allowed to view all that 'M' rated nudie goodness a whole year younger than gamers in Europe... and yet we call them prudes?

 

And honestly, how many parents have bought their 15 or 16 year old a game like this? More than a few.

 

Rating systems are useful guidelines but honestly treating them like as anything more is silly in my opinion.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Whether I expect it is irrelevant.

 

I want the lack of mod friendliness to be at the top of every player's mind all of the time.  The only way to get EA to support mods is to get the market to demand that support.

 

 

I don't care about mods, even when I was a PC player (before I wised up and became a superior console player) for one simple reason 99% of mods suck and basically worthless.

 

I would also say that is AAA games on the PC suck so bad in terms of quality control and why console versions are superior. Why should companies like Bethesda, Ubisoft, Activision, WB Games, and others give a damn about quality PC versions when they can release a game and have the modders patch and make it work for nothing. If you want to be treated like a slave that is your business but pardon me if I don't support practices like modding as an excuse for basically slave labor. If these companies are willing to pay the modders for salvaging their games then I have no problem with it. Until then EA not supporting it seems like one of the few good things EA is actually doing for video games.

[Mummy22kids]

Even a site like common sense media has ME3 pegged as 13-14+ for age appropriateness, even though it's rated 18+ (or 17+ depending on where you live).  I think trying for a T rating would hurt the game. Teenagers that want to play it probably will regardless of the rating. 

[Panda]

And honestly, how many parents have bought their 15 or 16 year old a game like this? More than a few.

 

Rating systems are useful guidelines but honestly treating them like as anything more is silly in my opinion.

 

Well in some countries rating systems create legal boundaries in terms that it's illegal to sell the game for person who is under the rating and so on.

[SolNebula]

So OP you hate tasty romance scenes? The little bit of blood we still have? Also I don't know how can a game who has gay romances expect to get T. In many countries this is not going to happen.

 

I prefer BW games having all of the before mentioned features, so no actually they should stay M for Mature

[wolfsite]

Making the move to a Teen rating could hurt the game just because it made the move.

 

Many movie series that were originally R rated but then had a movie in the series shift to PG-13 normally get panned by the fanbase just because it got a lower rating than previous movies in the series and lost a lot of momentum on release and thus did poorly since the core fans didn't go to see it, simply because it got a lower rating.

 

It could end up being a great experience but that mental stigma of going from M to T can make people think they are missing out on content just so the publisher could get a lower rating.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't care about mods, even when I was a PC player (before I wised up and became a superior console player) for one simple reason 99% of mods suck and basically worthless.

 

I would also say that is AAA games on the PC suck so bad in terms of quality control and why console versions are superior. Why should companies like Bethesda, Ubisoft, Activision, WB Games, and others give a damn about quality PC versions when they can release a game and have the modders patch and make it work for nothing. If you want to be treated like a slave that is your business but pardon me if I don't support practices like modding as an excuse for basically slave labor. If these companies are willing to pay the modders for salvaging their games then I have no problem with it. Until then EA not supporting it seems like one of the few good things EA is actually doing for video games.

And you then get stuck with the game the devs wanted you to have.

 

A moddable game is customisable to each player's preference.  My Skyrim doesn't need to behave anything like your Skyrim.  I think the mods I used in DAO made the game vastly better.  The Detailed Tooltips mod alone was essential to my enjoyment.  Other players don't want to see those numbers (which is why BioWare hid them).  But I want to see them, so I need mods to make it so.

 

Your position only makes sense if we all like the same things.  We can't even all agree on what a bug is.  I use mods to undo patches all the time, because I often don't want some things patched.

 

And it's not slave labour, because we don't have to do it.  We do it voluntarily.  Equating modding to slavery is like equating charity to slavery.  It's something we do because we want to do it.  Would it be nice to get paid?  Yes.  And modders do get paid.  That's what Donations do.  Modding is the ultimate in modular game development, something I've been asking developers to do for years.

[spinachdiaper]

I despise the watering down of thematic fiber to cash in on a widened level of marketability. Chasing a PG13 has ruined more movies than Ed Wood and now it seems like the video game industry is copycatting Hollywood's sheer incompetence in the name of contemptuous greed.