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[Madrict]

Ew no. The more mature content the better imo. Why does everything have to get censored and neutered?

[darkway1]

Personally,if the story or character need to "go there" then Bioware should have the creative freedom (and courage) to do so,what I don't want to see,is Bioware feeling the need to produce watered down subject matter simply to fit a more profitable mainstream market.

[Chealec]

Ew no. The more mature content the better imo. Why does everything have to get censored and neutered?

 

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[Sartoz]

Personally,if the story or character need to "go there" then Bioware should have the creative freedom (and courage) to do so,what I don't want to see,is Bioware feeling the need to produce watered down subject matter simply to fit a more profitable mainstream market.

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Unfortunately, profits is King. Plus, the expanded gaming market that reaches out to the casual gamers requires such watered down subject matter.

[Black Jimmy]

I'd rather they just make what they want to make and then let it get it's rating whatever that may be.

 

Of course, it's not my wallet riding on this.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't see a T rating as more likely to increase profits. PG-13 increases profits in the sense that you're selling tickets to the whole family when they go see it, not just mom and dad. Games don't work like that; even if it's bought for family enjoyment, you're only selling one copy.

 

Outside of things like Minecraft, Pokemon, Mario, and the Sims, all the top selling video games are rated M. This is one of those situations where from both an artistic and a financial stand point, keeping the rating at an M just makes sense.

[Lady Artifice]

Alright, now I'm going to go into a little more detail as to why the move to Teen is bad.

 

Science Fiction, Fantasy, and RPGs are saddled with the perception by the general public of being "lesser" genres. They're not serious art, they're too fantastical, they're for children. However objectively untrue these perceptions are, they continue to persist. 

 

Mass Effect is important because it is a serious, mostly intelligent(though by no means perfect) science fiction series that is decidedly for adults. The series contains adult content, tackles adult themes, centers around adult characters.

 

This is a series for grown ups.

 

Moving the rating to T will not only water down and dilute the content and quality of the series, but it will be a step backwards for the genre. It will be Bioware saying, "we tried an adult sci fi series and it didn't work out. It was a mistake, and now we're going to start aiming for the younger audience this genre is really for."

 

This is precisely how I feel about it. Public perception is a factor here. 

[timebean]

My biggest problem with the T-rating would be the loss of difficult and impactful desisions. IE, Morally grey choices that would not be sutiable for young teens.  Those are the things I love about ME and the sci-fi genre in general.  I would not want to see a shift away from that aspect, which is a defining quality of ME.

 

In terms of cussing and nudity, ME games are pretty tame already.  I doubt that would make a big difference, honeslty.  But the actual choices and consequences would suffer and make it a game that, for me, would not be worth playing.

 

I am an adult.  I want to play an adult game with adult themes.  I want the fate of worlds and my companions in my hands and I want to agonize over choices like that. I want to stand up and pace around and try to figure out what to do. I want it to remain morally difficult.  It is the kind of thing that keeps me invested in the story and my part in that story. 

 

The lack of those kind of choices in DAI was a huge let-down for me. It felt more like a T-rated game.  I hope that ME gives a bit more grit, not less.

 

Just my humble opinion, of course!

[Elhanan]

While I prefer T rated materials, the writers should write what they wish, and the game should be rated as such. However, if possible, the addition of settings and toggles to help avoid such materials would be greatly appreciated.

[SnakeCode]

There's a real life toggle. It's called not buying the game if it offends your sensibilities.

[Elhanan]

There's a real life toggle. It's called not buying the game if it offends your sensibilities.

Been using that option; would prefer something more immersive....

[Wulfram]

My biggest problem with the T-rating would be the loss of difficult and impactful desisions. IE, Morally grey choices that would not be sutiable for young teens.  Those are the things I love about ME and the sci-fi genre in general.  I would not want to see a shift away from that aspect, which is a defining quality of ME.

There's no reason the T-rating would lead to the loss of difficult and impactful decisions. The ratings cares about boobs and gore, they don't care about tough moral dilemmas.

[AresKeith]

Been using that option; would prefer something more immersive....

 

Then buy other games that fit your preference than giving the devs even more work that they need to do for their games

[Elhanan]

Then buy other games that fit your preference than giving the devs even more work that they need to do for their games

Prefer more options and more games than less. But Thanks for the suggestion....

[timebean]

There's no reason the T-rating would lead to the loss of difficult and impactful decisions. The ratings cares about boobs and gore, they don't care about tough moral dilemmas.

You may be right...I am no expert on ratings. I always assumed that things like deciding to save a village or a single person, that sort of thing, would not be approriate for young teens who are still trying to work out the moral abuguities in literature taught in school (like Lord of the Flies, etc). Maybe it is just my own naivete to think that games would be rated for teens becuase they deal with teen themes.  It is entirley possible that I am just being an idiot about how it all works.

 

If that is actually true, then i can't imagine the game would be terribly different if switched to T for teen.  I mean, the ME series isnlt really known for its boobs and gore, is it?  While I would miss the exploding heads with the sniper shot, it is not important for my personal enjoyment of the game.  Deep and difficult desisions are what makes it worhthile.  If those types of desisions exist in teen games, then I really don't care too much about the different rating.

[Ahglock]

Prefer more options and more games than less. But Thanks for the suggestion....

Sorry, we don't think bioware should take any efforts to be inclusive to people from different groups on these forums.

[N7M]

There is no need for the devs of Mass Effect to cater to and waste resources and time to fulfill the degenerate need some have for explicit content in their video games. There are plenty other areas that those resources could be spent in development. Besides, those that want explicit content could simply play or purchase another game, right?

[AresKeith]

Sorry, we don't think bioware should take any efforts to be inclusive to people from different groups on these forums.

 

Or we know how creating unnecessary toggles just to satisfy some people is something that actually annoys developers 

[Elhanan]

There is no need for the devs of Mass Effect to cater to and waste resources and time to fulfill the degenerate need some have for explicit content in their video games. There are plenty other areas that those resources could be spent in development. Besides, those that want explicit content could simply play or purchase another game, right?

Possible increase in sales comes to mind....

[Iakus]

Yep. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords is a great example of a rated T game doing that. Halo 5: Guardians is also a good example. 

Planescape: Torment as well.

 

T for "animated blood, suggestive themes, violence" and one of the greatest video game stories ever.

[SardaukarElite]

I'd prefer the rating was dropped to a lower increment than a content toggle was included (assuming it goes beyond the trivial no blood ones). 

 

As I believe that explicit content can serve a purpose, I believe that a lack of such content can also serve a purpose. But I don't believe that it is the audience's place to decide whether a work should include explicit content. 

[Bizantura]

Different regions have different ratings; the American ESRB rating holds no legal weight in Europe - it's the PEGI rating here. There's no such thing as an 'M' rating in Europe.

 

Now here's the funny thing... an 'M' rated game under ESRB (which may have bewbies!) is suitable for people aged 17+ but the equivalent rating in Europe is PEGI 18. Which means, if you think about it, American gamers are allowed to view all that 'M' rated nudie goodness a whole year younger than gamers in Europe... and yet we call them prudes?

Problem is, politicians think there is a europe, the citizens of the repective coundtries do not.  Germany is very strick in all departments where I live not.  So who does the EU represent????

[rashie]

Problem is, politicians think there is a europe, the citizens of the repective coundtries do not.  Germany is very strick in all departments where I live not.  So who does the EU represent????

Unless countries take it upon themselves to ban games, there really is no upper limit to what a game can do in Europe, unlike how retailers frown upon the AO in the US.

There is only a single rating for content rated for mature audiences which everything falls into, being 18+. There is no separate rating for the really gruesome stuff (even if there have been calls for such), and pegi is a system used across the entire continent.

[Il Divo]

There is no need for the devs of Mass Effect to cater to and waste resources and time to fulfill the degenerate need some have for explicit content in their video games. There are plenty other areas that those resources could be spent in development. Besides, those that want explicit content could simply play or purchase another game, right?

 

Close. I realize the satire but if I remember right, didn't you also advocate in another thread that Bioware could simply sell the "violent content" as dlc? To some extent, I think that shows how divorced from practicality a lot of these suggestions are, given the minimal level of support expressed for these toggles/T-rated games.

[The Hierophant]

Or we know how creating unnecessary toggles just to satisfy some people is something that actually annoys developers 

The mention of toggles was a time honored BSN tradition.