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[rashie]

If looking at the actual themes conveyed, the Baldur's Gate series should really have been given an M at a minimum when including aspect beyond the visual, things like the skin-flayer murderer in the bridge district wouldn't have gone by in modern graphics and not be given an M.

[Il Divo]

​Agreed. I think more than anything else this demonstrates how flawed the rating system is; it's designed to go for the big, obvious targets: naked people? Check. F-bombs? Check, so and so forth.

 

At first glance, somebody could see BG or KotOR 2 and argue that it's more tame than other, more clear targets. But I think if you put the question to people directly, I don't think moral relativism is enough to account for why language/sex (two components of the M rating) are to be regarded as worse than genocide, as an example.

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 05 novembre 2015 - 07:39 .

[Ahglock]

Or we know how creating unnecessary toggles just to satisfy some people is something that actually annoys developers

There are lots of unnecessary things added to the game to satisfy a small group of people. I actually doubt it's feasible in a way that is cost effective, but that is a different argument than play a different game we don't like your kind here.

[Lady Artifice]

There is no need for the devs of Mass Effect to cater to and waste resources and time to fulfill the degenerate need some have for explicit content in their video games. There are plenty other areas that those resources could be spent in development. Besides, those that want explicit content could simply play or purchase another game, right?

 

Well, that's rather impolite. Perhaps we might entertain the possibility that one person's interest in explicit content isn't automatically "degenerate" any more than another person's interest in filtered content is automatically prudish?

[Chealec]

Problem is, politicians think there is a europe, the citizens of the repective coundtries do not.  Germany is very strick in all departments where I live not.  So who does the EU represent????

 

The EU represents Europe as a whole - on the global scale. It makes us 600+ million strong and probably the largest united economy in the world, it provides a single, common set of laws that makes dealing with commerce (and legislature) across the entire region far less hassle for multinational companies. The PEGI rating, for instance, means that a company doesn't need to get their game rated across each individual country but just once, for all countries.

 

While doing that it allows for certain individual national freedoms within that framework; allows each country to keep it's own identity and eccentricities as long as they don't conflict with the overriding common European laws.

 

 

 

... at least, that's the theory.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So, this was my first post in months and as you can see, it was deleted. Why?
 

You have been issued a warning by a moderator. Before you can post again, you must acknowledge the warning.

 

Greetings DaemionMoadrin,

Your post in the thread “Should Bioware make the move to t for teen” was removed because it contained uncensored profanity.

Please review the forum rules:http://forum.bioware...c/3-site-rules/

Thank you,
Moderator 02

 

Warning issued by BioWareMod02 for Inappropriate Language in Profile.
Given 1 points.

 

 

Seriously, all I was doing was talking about the broken ESRB rating system and listing off the unsuitable elements of the Baldur's Gate series as an example for things not meant for kids ages 13+. At no point was I using profanities and if I did, then this forum has a word filter, right? If the filter doesn't catch it, it isn't a profanity. Btw... profanity? Isn't that taking god's name in vain? I'm 100% sure I did not do that either.

 

This forum, man...

[rashie]

Having read that post of yours, I'm not quite sure what could be taken as being too offensive for this board, since all the descriptions are about content inside a game made by the very company running this site.

[Pasquale1234]

Then buy other games that fit your preference than giving the devs even more work that they need to do for their games

Gore is added. It takes resources to make those blood fountains and exploding heads. Some game credits even list the individuals involved in creating gore graphics. Sex scenes are also additional development work. Both have been added to games because people have requested them.

Bioware could save quite a bit of work and expense if they didn't build those things into their games. People who want them could take your advice and buy other games that fit their preferences.

[AresKeith]

Gore is added. It takes resources to make those blood fountains and exploding heads. Some game credits even list the individuals involved in creating gore graphics. Sex scenes are also additional development work. Both have been added to games because people have requested them.

Bioware could save quite a bit of work and expense if they didn't build those things into their games. People who want them could take your advice and buy other games that fit their preferences.

 

They also added those feature of their own free will, Bioware has also expressed their opinion about toggles and how people think they're easy to do or a simple solution 

[Steelcan]

Gore is added. It takes resources to make those blood fountains and exploding heads. Some game credits even list the individuals involved in creating gore graphics. Sex scenes are also additional development work. Both have been added to games because people have requested them.

Bioware could save quite a bit of work and expense if they didn't build those things into their games. People who want them could take your advice and buy other games that fit their preferences.

they'd also save a lot of work if they didn't make games at all!

[Pasquale1234]

They also added those feature of their own free will

They could also discontinue them of their own free will. They could then apply those resources to developing other content, and possibly not have to deal with ongoing toggle requests.

[AresKeith]

They could also discontinue them of their own free will. They could then apply those resources to developing other content, and possibly not have to deal with ongoing toggle requests.

 

They very well could discontinue them, don't see it happening anytime soon though

[Chealec]

Gore is added. It takes resources to make those blood fountains and exploding heads. Some game credits even list the individuals involved in creating gore graphics. Sex scenes are also additional development work. Both have been added to games because people have requested them.

Bioware could save quite a bit of work and expense if they didn't build those things into their games. People who want them could take your advice and buy other games that fit their preferences.

 

Sex and violence have been part and parcel of BioWare games for more than a decade, BioWare were putting sexual content in before anyone had even realised it was possible to treat the subject halfway successfully in a computer game (Leisure Suit Larry really doesn't count)... so it can't have been, initially, something people requested but instead something BioWare themselves wanted to explore.

 

Saying If people don't like it they have to option to buy something else is fundamentally different to demanding BioWare tone down their content to make it less "objectionable".

 

On one side it's "don't buy the game if you don't like the content BioWare are putting into it".

 

On the other it's demanding BioWare tone down their content first and then telling those alienated fans that they should go buy something else.

 

 

Personally I think Mass Effect is pretty tame in the whole sex and gore department - and that's actually the problem. The games are so borderline that people who object to T&A or gibbage in games will still buy Mass Effect whereas they'd not touch Grand Theft Auto (for instance) so it's not an issue.

 

I'd be happy for BioWare to go a lot darker with much deeper consequences for your actions, more explicit with the portrayals of violence and sex ... but I don't expect it. I also don't expect them to water the content down further - I've no interest in Mass Effect the peaceful negotiation simulator where you get the girl/boy of your dreams and skip off into the sunset holding hands at the end.

 

What I do expect is another space opera in which BioWare treat sex and violence with the same slightly tepid "safe" care that they have done in the previous titles... and I'm OK with that.

[Battlebloodmage]

With all the sensitivity and PC Bioware has become, I'm surprised that wasn't already the case. 

[Vapaa]

The EU represents Europe as a whole - on the global scale. It makes us 600+ million strong and probably the largest united economy in the world, it provides a single, common set of laws that makes dealing with commerce (and legislature) across the entire region far less hassle for multinational companies. The PEGI rating, for instance, means that a company doesn't need to get their game rated across each individual country but just once, for all countries.

 

While doing that it allows for certain individual national freedoms within that framework; allows each country to keep it's own identity and eccentricities as long as they don't conflict with the overriding common European laws.

 

 

 

... at least, that's the theory.

 

That's all BS.

[Payload]

 
Nudity, sex, profanity, and excessive violence seem to be sore spots with a segment of this fanbase for a number of different reasons.  What better way to restrain these things, and open up new revenue opportunities, than to aim for a T rating as a benchmark for any and all content? BioWare's already gone back in that direction with Star Wars: The Old Republic, after all.
 
Would you be bothered by this? Why or why not? Do the things you enjoy about Mass Effect demand a MATURE rating?

 

Hell no! In fact, I want it to be more like Dragon Age Origins and God of War. I am a PC player first but having owned a PS1 PS2 PS3 PS4, I know that Andromeda demands hard core making getting it on with sexy entities.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm not so sure ratings influence revenue in games as much as in movie theaters, though I could be wrong. For movies, underage kids are going to want to see it with their other friends, which becomes a problem if they want to get in. They aren't going to want to watch it with their only source of legitimate attendance, their parents. Hence the mad scramble for production companies to get a PG-13 rating. Games are different because the purchasing and playing are completely separate activities, so a teen can ask for it for Xmas or just take his mom to Gamestop. So the only limiting factor becomes the parents' willingness to say no based on an M rating, which anyone who has played CoD or Battlefield online like me knows: LOL.

[spinachdiaper]

A Bioware game with a Teen rating would end up much like a vaguely empty headed JRPG story that is as compelling as racing tortoises across the Sahara desert.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A Bioware game with a Teen rating would end up much like a vaguely empty headed JRPG story that is as compelling as racing tortoises across the Sahara desert.

Their rated T games like Baldur's Gate and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic disagree with you. 

[Helios969]

While I prefer T rated materials, the writers should write what they wish, and the game should be rated as such. However, if possible, the addition of settings and toggles to help avoid such materials would be greatly appreciated.

And you've already been told repeatedly by the devs and nearly everyone else the difficulties of implementing such and that the onus is on you to prove the financial viability of such features.  You already have the ability to skip cutscenes with sexual content or objectionable language.

[Chealec]

That's all BS.

 

What a staggeringly well researched counter-argument - please enlighten me then, oh great sage, what is the purpose of the EU?

[Natureguy85]

What a staggeringly well researched counter-argument - please enlighten me then, oh great sage, what is the purpose of the EU?

 

Maybe they missed your last line about your long post being the idea, even if it hasn't been the reality of it.

 

I'm glad you mentioned what PEGI was. I guessed by the context, but I'd seen some ads recently online here in the US that started with a voice saying "PEGI (prounouced peggy) 18" and wasn't sure what it was.

[Chealec]

Maybe they missed your last line about your long post being the idea, even if it hasn't been the reality of it.

 

I'm glad you mentioned what PEGI was. I guessed by the context, but I'd seen some ads recently online here in the US that started with a voice saying "PEGI (prounouced peggy) 18" and wasn't sure what it was.

 

Yeah - on the plus-side for the EU though, there hasn't been a war between members states since it was created (EEC) almost 60 years ago ... that's probably some kind of record.

 

 

Yeah Peggy 18 is not, in fact, the acting name of a porn star

[Elhanan]

And you've already been told repeatedly by the devs and nearly everyone else the difficulties of implementing such and that the onus is on you to prove the financial viability of such features.  You already have the ability to skip cutscenes with sexual content or objectionable language.

er... one is not plural as I recall. And not all such scenes can be skipped, which said Dev was informed and acknowledged. Bioware/ EA can look more into it, and see if the market exists like it does for some other titles.

[KaiserShep]

Bioware could save quite a bit of work and expense if they didn't build those things into their games. People who want them could take your advice and buy other games that fit their preferences.

BioWare could also save a considerable amount of work and expense if they went back to a silent protagonist. Thing is, it's much too late to scale back now. There's not much reason to. If there was an overwhelming outcry against a certain feature or design, BioWare might just up and scrap it altogether, as they are wont to do for certain things.