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Should BioWare make the move to "T for Teen" with Andromeda?


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#51
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If they made it T for Teen, we'd have to sit through sex education again. "I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce." Because how does an all female species reproduce? The stork? I mean even Harbinger got messed up about this.

 

And what about the character who is from F***ing, Austria?



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You sure about that?  I mean, when I lost my first warrior group in Civ 5 I wept, man.  I wept.   :P

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Maybe you aren't. Soldier 247 is my buddy. 

 

Think about it, though. Think about the expanded audience the rating will cover an the comfort level of parents buying this for their kids.

 

And then think about them choosing which of two well-drawn characters they must kill.



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was it Normans then? Either way disgusting

Never said I liked Normans either. I also like how Normans are totally comparable to Karlings. 

 

Think about it, though. Think about the expanded audience the rating will cover an the comfort level of parents buying this for their kids.

 

And then think about them choosing which of two well-drawn characters they must kill.

Not that children are the target audience of Mass Effect. 



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Think about it, though. Think about the expanded audience the rating will cover an the comfort level of parents buying this for their kids.

 

And then think about them choosing which of two well-drawn characters they must kill.

Cartoons that are rated for teens have these situations come up. 



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Never said I liked Normans either. I also like how Normans are totally comparable to Karlings. 
 



Not that children are the target audience of Mass Effect.

Man, Cheesecake really must be off his rocker, swear he's told me this before.

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Cartoons that are rated for teens have these situations come up. 

 

That's passive entertainment, though.

 

Virmire asks the player to consider which of two lives is more important to the individual, which one is expendable, and to pull the trigger.


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Cartoons that are rated for teens have these situations come up. 

 

Ah now you have me trying to think of that cartoon that was about forest gnomes and the last episode was their death. I mean they turned into trees but it was still meant to represent death and I think introduce children to that concept.

 

Oh also some story book for kids following the life of a dinosaur who has a sudden and violent death when she loses a fight against another dinosaur. 
 

Rather upset I can't recall the names of them right now.

 

And now I'm thinking of the gargoyles who got smashed up in the first episode of Gargoyles as well. I really need to find that show again.



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Cartoons that are rated for teens have these situations come up. 

 

It's not really a dilemma for the viewer though. 



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Man, Cheesecake really must be off his rocker, swear he's told me this before.

Cheesecake is a pathological liar, in case you didn't notice. 

 

That's passive entertainment, though.

 

Virmire asks the player to consider which of two lives is more important to the individual, which one is expendable, and to pull the trigger.

Exactly. The reason a show like family guy can be way over the top, and still be TV-14 is because it's not interactive. Which is why the show's video game is rated M. 



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IMO I don't think T would work with the kind of situations the past ME games handled and I assume ME:A is going to handle similar things even if remotely. I don't think it would really work with the feel ME has created at least not without it being noticeable. Strictly imo of course.



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That's passive entertainment, though.

 

Virmire asks the player to consider which of two lives is more important to the individual, which one is expendable, and to pull the trigger.

There are rated T games that do that as well.


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Cheesecake is a pathological liar, in case you didn't notice. 
 

idk man he's consistent on a lot of things, like his love even for post Justinian Byzantium

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There are rated T games that do that as well.

 

Such as?

 

Again, I'd like a refresher on these things, and for a cogent case to be made for a T-rated Mass Effect game. 



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idk man he's consistent on a lot of things, like his love even for post Justinian Byzantium

He's definitely a liar. In just about everything he does. 



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I just don't see any way this change is going to be good. From a business perspective, M rated games just sell better. The gaming market is primarily adults buying games for themselves, so catering to kids doesn't  make business sense. Most kids in the teen market now that actively want ME:A are going to be old enough for M games by the time it comes out, and those that won't aren't going to want the watered down kiddy version of it.

 

From a quality perspective, even if they can manage to not dumb down the story, you are talking about watering down the content and tone and removing avenues for natural dialogue. 

 

You're talking about removing major emotional content with romance scenes by pretending a fade to black has the same emotional impact as a well done love scene, which it doesn't. Assuming romance survives at all.

 

The only people I see this change appealing to are, frankly, less than a dozen individuals on these forums. And even if they are indicative of a larger demographic, it isn't a significantly large one that I see needs to be catered to on this scale.

 

If you want to play a T rated sci fi bioware game, there's one out right now. It's The Old Republic, it's free, and it has a new expac coming out in October. Leave Mass Effect alone.


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IMO I don't think T would work with the kind of situations the past ME games handled and I assume ME:A is going to handle similar things even if remotely. I don't think it would really work with the feel ME has created at least not without it being noticeable. Strictly imo of course.

 

I do agree and the interactivity is part of the reason why the games are given the ratings they are given. I would say asking for the game to be designed for a teen rating without knowing why it was given a mature rating is asking for trouble for it could have to do with things that we consider core elements of Mass Effect and frankly I doubt we will ever know how the game was evaluated.


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Alright, here's a broad question: What makes Mass Effect an M-rated game to you, and what would be lost if they took the rating down a notch?

Moving this game to a T is not going to preserve story quality. 
 
You're either going to be dealing with characters that have no real, relateable issues in their lives, or you're going to be dealing with stilted, artificial dialogue that's carefully manufactured to write around the ratings system and just doesn't come off naturally. You wouldn't be able to have plots that deal with the same themes in the same tone. 
 
There is a reason the ratings system exists. Children can't deal with all the same things adults can. It's not appropriate to expose them to the same things adults can enjoy being exposed to.
 
I am an adult. I want a game that caters to adult sensibilities. That isn't asking for porn - if I want porn, the whole internet is available to me. It's asking for a game that deals with adult problems, adult themes, adult characters, and handles it in an adult tone.

 
Great post, and a great start.

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Majority of today's movies, music, and tv have been ruined by going after the PG13 market and playing it safe with content. I'd rather things start going the other way with more violence and adult themes in video games and other media in general.



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Alright, here's a broad question: What makes Mass Effect an M-rated game to you, and what would be lost if they took the rating down a notch?

 

 

Well, to use my favorite counter example, Avatar: The Last Airbender ran into this exact problem with its series finale. The creators had to introduce a contrived solution to circumvent the main character killing the Chief Antagonist. 

 

Granted, there's no official ratings involved here, but that's the same basic principle. Plot points/character development/dialogue potentially suffering from efforts to circumvent adult-rated content. 


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Then came the sequel series where killing the main bad guy via suicide bombing was alright
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Well, to use my favorite counter example, Avatar: The Last Airbender ran into this exact problem with its series finale. The creators had to introduce a contrived solution to circumvent the main character killing the Chief Antagonist. 

 

Granted, there's no official ratings involved here, but that's the same basic principle. Plot points/character development/dialogue potentially suffering from efforts to circumvent adult-rated content. 

 

Aang totally should've killed Fire Joker 


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Then came the sequel series where killing the main bad guy via suicide bombing was alright

It's not like the original series didn't have people getting killed either. 


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Then came the sequel series where killing the main bad guy via suicide bombing was alright

 

Ayep, I was actually pleasantly surprised by that. At least to some extent, Nickelodeon was more willing to take off the training wheels. 


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It's not like the original series didn't have people getting killed either.

it was pretty rare, more often than not bad guys limoed or crawled away rather than being shown dead.

Admiral Moonkiller is the only exception that comes immediately to mind
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